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Lima Bean
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posted 10 November 2002 05:45 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've been living here for 11 months or so now. In the first few, I was all starry eyes and glee, totally excited about having moved away from my hometown, about living with my boyfriend in this cool big city, and I was having fun meeting new people. In the next few, I settled down a bit, found full time work, got into more of a routine, and figured out some more practical details of what this city had to offer.

And then it was full on summer and I was lucky enough to have a friend with a cottage and some idea of all the free stuff there is to do around here, and I had a blast. During the blast, though, I lost a whole bunch of momentum, got bored at work, and ignored "The Big Question", which is: what am I doing here (as in, on Earth, with my life, etc...).

So now it's properly fall, nearly a year since I moved here, and my life is mostly routine: subway-work-subway-home-subway-work and so on. I have but a very few friends other than my boyfriend, and I have a little more perspective on what it is to be living here in Toronto.

It's a really big city. I find it intimidating and scary often. Most of the time it's extremely demanding of my energy, my money, my emotional stamina, and my vigilance.

I want to find a way to make it easier to live here. I want to make it a better, more positive experience than what it's become in the last few months. I know I won't live here for more than a few years, so it's important to me to make the most of it.

And so a question to you Toronto-bound babblers (or any other of you with any insight, of course! ): What's your experience of the city? Do you love it here? Hate it? Am I missing something? Any advice for making it more fun, less scary, and basically just easier to live here?


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Zatamon
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posted 10 November 2002 06:31 PM      Profile for Zatamon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let me see – I used to live in Toronto, for about 16 years, till about 14 years ago. If I had to live in Toronto again (God forbid), I would live in the UT library on St George Street. I would emerge once in a while to go to the ROM, the Zoo, the Science Centre, Roy Thompson Hall, Royal Alex, obscure concerts on Hazelton Ave., I would eat my way through vegetarian restaurants downtown or North York, visit the used science fiction bookstore on Queen (if it is still there) get myself lost in the World’s Biggest Bookstore downtown (and handsomely tip the homeless persons sitting on the sidewalk), go to services of any church of any denomination, lunchtime concerts at Holy Trinity behind the Eaton Center, see what is on at Ontario Place, visit the Royal Winter Fair, skating in Nathan Phillips Square or across from Ryerson, perambulate on Yorkville Ave, boo at politicians at the Oberserver’s Gallery at the Ontario Legislature, watch a few court cases at the Old City Hall, Santa Claus Parade in winter, Carabana in summer, ride on a moose anywhere in Toronto, listen to buskers in the subway, play tennis in public courts, swim in public pools, picnic in High Park, watch the riders in Edwards Gardens (see the greenhouse while you are there), eat genuine food from anywhere, shop at Italian green grocers on Danforth, sit on the Don Valley Parking Lot on Friday after lunch and go to the Planetarium if you want to see any starts.

Shit, I almost got homesick for Toronto!


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Smith
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posted 10 November 2002 06:38 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Most of the time it's extremely demanding of my energy, my money, my emotional stamina, and my vigilance.

No kidding. I grew up in Toronto, and when I come home for holidays, I often get depressed. Everything is so far away and expensive and blah blah blah. People are snottier, too, although not as snotty as we're sometimes told we are.

I don't think it's really that dangerous, though. Certainly, I don't feel I need to be more vigilant there than I do here in Halifax.

I'm still working on all this myself (growing up in Toronto private-school circles, especially those affiliated with a certain very Darwinian school *cough*UTS*cough*, I became convinced that I was a dumb, awkward, poorly dressed little failure and the entire city hated my guts), but I'd recommend you try to find free or cheap things that you like to do. Go to the islands and the parks. Adopt a hangout, maybe a coffee shop, and go there and read or write or whatever. Go to the Annex - friendliest neighbourhood in the city, IMHO (I'm from the Beaches, with which I have some serious issues).

Apart from that, I don't know.


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posted 11 November 2002 12:35 AM      Profile for Shenanigans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've lived in Toronto for all of my soon to be 24 years. I spent the majority of my childhood downtown in an inner city community, I grew up pretty poor, so I learned how to do lots of free things.

Now I'm living in the wild's of Scarberia, and my one of my top goals in life is to find a decent enough part-time job while I'm in school that I can afford to rent out space downtown to spend a few days in per week. Safety, well lets just say you have to be careful, but I feel more scared here in the burbs than I would downtown (unless I see the police of course!)

I do enjoy my quiet space in Scarberia, it's really nice not having to hear a firetruck zooming along every hour, but I miss the energy of the people. Heck! I miss seeing people. I miss the dog park, the fact that my convenience store was really convenient, outdoor cafes, protests, movie screenings, line ups, artsy fartsy people, smelling mary jane every few blocks, dodging kids (I rarely see them in my neighbourhood), video stores OTHER than Blockbuster, the Village, little Italy, little India, Chinatowns, individual stores instead of chains and big boxes, Goodwill, street sales, craft shows, talking with drug users and prostitutes, social action, political action, city hall, Jebus, you name it, I miss it!

Friends are a definite plus into making life a lot more fun in Toronto. I love going shopping with my best friend wherever we pick up. Going to "alternative" craft shows/movies/rallies always leaves me with a great vibe, leaning to go with the flow (so to speak) is a real biggie I think-it's almost something you either pick up or don't. Do some volunteer work, join a board a non-profit or charity, grassroots organisations will always have work for volunteers and you will make really good friends there to boot.

Shenanigans


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posted 11 November 2002 01:25 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everything doesn't have to be far away in a city. There are - or used to be - neighbourhoods in TO.
Explore the area where you live.

You could try shopping at small stores close to home, rather than anonymous supermarkets and department stores: it's cheering to be on 'how's-it-going' terms with the shopkeepers. Certainly, a local hangout - coffeshop, restaurant or pub - is nice to have. Maybe a community center or Y near you has activities you'd be interested in. Try volunteering for something, if you have a little spare time: it's a good way to meet friendly people.

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posted 11 November 2002 02:00 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe there are architectural societies that offer walking trips through different parts of the city. That might make for a fun outing.
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Lima Bean
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posted 11 November 2002 11:55 AM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
These are some good suggestions, and I'm glad to hear that I'm not alone in being exhausted by this city.

In February, when I was still really new here, I took a writing class, and that's where I met my first Toronto friend. Other than that class, the only people I've met have been friends of the few people that I know here. It's been a real challenge, and I'm often sorta dully lonely, though I try not to dwell on it. For Christmas this year, my parents are going to pay for the registration fee into another class (photography this time, I think) and maybe that'll be a new opportunity to meet some people.

I have also looked into some volunteer opportunities, but haven't really found much that I was interested in AND also fit into my schedule. I have a long commute to and from work, which really cuts down on my free time on weeknights. I'm working on this still, and hopefully I'll figure something out soon.

I'm lucky to live in a neighborhood where everything I need and want to do is within walking (or TTCing) distance. I just wish that I didn't work so bloody far away! It's in my long term plan to begin a new work search after Christmas, and one of the criteria for the new job will be closer proximity to home, for sure.

I have checked out a lot of the free stuff there is to do here (thank heavens for the Harbourfront Centre!!) and a lot of the other things y'all suggested, but there are some other things mentioned that I'll check out in the future.

I think more than anything, these days I'm really missing the sunshine and open spaces of my hometown. Edmonton is just way sunnier and more spread out (not necessarily a good thing, I know). I tend to feel claustrophobic a lot around here, but there's nothing I can really do about that except for frequent trips to the park, I think.

To those babblers who have moved cities, how long did it take you before you started to feel really comfortable and happy in your new place? Any general consensus on the length of the transition and adjustment period?


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posted 11 November 2002 01:15 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm lucky, I guess. The gestalt of Vancouver lies within me. Therefore I needed no adjustment when I moved here from a couple years on Vancouver Island because I lived in Richmond for so long before that.
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posted 11 November 2002 02:38 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lived all over, and it always takes me a full cycle of seasons to make the adjustment to a new place. And still, no matter where i go, there's no feeling more joyous than clicking my heels together three times, saying "there's no place like Toronto" and coming home to it. I'm back living in the same neighbourhood i was born in, even though it is transformed and my family has long moved away (back to where my father grew up).

This city contains everything, and never stops changing. Even wide open spaces. The cheapest vacation ever: hop a ferry to to the Toronto Islands (take one less travelled by, not the Centre Island ferry). Take a bike, it's no extra charge. Or there's a spot where the Humber River enters the lake. It's been sadly tamed by a footbridge, but there's still a sense of wonder from looking at the city or looking at the open lake (Ontario = "lake of shining waters"). It goes on forever.


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Lima Bean
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posted 11 November 2002 02:55 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's one thing I haven't done yet, but it's most certainly on my list. Hopefully my sweetheart will accompany me and we can walk arm in arm etc. It sounds wonderful out there.
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posted 11 November 2002 04:19 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've made most of my friends through school and through volunteering. I've also had the best employment opportunities through volunteering, so please looking for that "good fit" with a community group, non-profit or charity.

All big cities can seem impersonal, overwhelming and unfriendly, especially if you're from a smaller town or city. But even if you're used to living in a large urban area you can feel small and anonymous. Another poster suggested finding a neighbourhood "hang-out" and that's a really good idea. Toronto is a collection neighbourhoods and each one can feel like its own small town once you get to know the people and places in it. If where you live doesn't have a community feel to it, then you can find a hangout in one - like Kensington or the Annex.


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posted 12 November 2002 11:11 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
.... how long did it take you before you started to feel really comfortable and happy in your new place?

Depends on the place and one's mind-set. Vancouver, about five minutes - it just happened to be in synch with me at the time, and i found a place to live that was enough Toronto-like and had the right class-structure, architecture, number of friendly dogs per block, ratio of trees to parking places to make me feel at home. (Still, i had lots of dreams, in the first few months, wherein i went home on the subway.)

L.A., a couple of weeks. Given the non-expectation of staying very long. See, what you have to do in LA is decide at the outset whether you're a stayer or a transient. As a transient, i was quite happy. As a stayer, i might have opted for psychic reconstruction, suicide or Oregon.

Winnipeg, about a year. In May, it's wonderful. I mean, really wonderful. You fall in love with the laughing poplars, the big sky, the cute tea-shops. In October, you learn to appreciate neighbours, restaurants and the ballet. In February, you fall in hate with the bus service, the snow-removal (Ha!), the gas-delivery, and everybody in general. In March, you learn the value of hope and faith.

In Creemore, two or three months. Doesn't matter which months: they're all beautiful. You find your way to the IGA, bookstore, restaurant, liquor store, medical center and barber-shop in the first two weeks. In the next three or four months, you find all the impossible, impassable, unbelievable back roads. Then you figure out which groups of people accept newcomers and which will always subtly exclude you.

There isn't any rule for how long it takes to get acclimatized. The place has something for you, or it doesn't. You're open to the ambiance, or you're not.
The place is just a place: it has a climate and a history. It's full of people who were there before you and did stuff you were not a part of. You can decide to catch up on what went before and become a part of the history of the place, or to bring something new to the place and take your chances at being accepted or rejected.


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posted 13 November 2002 12:01 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I lived for 34 years in Montréal. I have been in the country for 32 years. I was acclimatized immediately. I did return to Montréal quite frequently at first. At has been about 10 years and I haven't been back.
I found the city very noisy and smelly 10 years ago. I would surmise it is at least the same today.

In the country, one is not anonymous. I like that. I find it very secure. I do not live in the village but am involved in the activities.

No homesickness for the city. Just to add, here when one goes shopping there is always someone one knows. Everybody seems to smile. Different.

[ November 13, 2002: Message edited by: clersal ]


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posted 13 November 2002 01:25 AM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It took me about a year to get comfortable. A lot of that had to do with a break-up changing my social life. But now I love it here. I live at Yonge and Eg and I love it. Everything within walking distance I need and want, i hardly ever leave my neighbourhood. Except to head to Scarborugh for work. What sucks about TO? the traffic, people can't drive and are too pushy.

It took about a year to make a circle of friends in Ottawa when I lived there as well. Guelph was easy cause i was in residence first.

Lima, let me know if you ever want to grab a beer, I'd love to show you my excellent neighbourhood, that is really friendly. Apparently our dog park is the much friendlier than the Annex, a friend just moved back from down there. He said people were too chillier. I have got the vibe that people think if you don't live in the annex you just aren't cool. the Beaches was great, I lived there for awhile as well.

All in all I love living here, heck I even bought a condo down on King West. I spent my high school years in a small town and I don't miss everybody knowing everything about everybody.


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posted 13 November 2002 08:02 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't realize this thread was in this forum. I'm going to move it, to "out and about", since it's not specifically about rabble content.
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posted 14 November 2002 10:59 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, how's it going, Lima Bean?
Any happier with the environment?
TO is a pretty good one, as big cities go, even if the climate is damp cold, instead of dry cold.
Important things to remember: Do not drive to any place you can walk to. Do not talk to anyone who turns his face away. Do talk to everyone else.

This has been my anchor in new places. I talk to people in doctors' waiting rooms, art exhibits, bus shelters, grocery stores, libraries, craft fairs, garage sales... anywhere. Even if it's just to say "Cool hat!" or "Which way to...?" You speak to someone, and you immediately realize that people are the same everywhere. You can have a moment of perfect understanding with someone you've never seen before and will probably never see again: at that moment, it's enough to keep you going. In TO, those moments mostly happen right after bad snowstorms, when everyone feels vulnerable and in need of emotional support from their species.

[ November 14, 2002: Message edited by: nonesuch ]


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Lima Bean
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posted 14 November 2002 11:21 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's mostly alright. I'm working a little harder on keeping in contact with the few people that I do know here and forcing myself (gently, of course) to push the boundaries of my comfort zone out a little farther.

I don't have a car so I walk everywhere unless it's far enough to warrant TTC fare. My neighborhood is great for little shops and cafes, but I'm not very good at talking to strangers just yet. I'm still pretty nervous about the creepos out there, despite all the assurance people have offered me that this isn't a dangerous city.

I'm also just trying to hold on to a more holistic perspective on my time here so far. I lived in Edmonton for all my life before I moved out here, so of course it was easier there! If I look at the big picture, I've done fairly well as a new Torontonian, I think. As well as one could really hope, I might say, considering I only knew two people in the whole city on the day I arrived, and I didn't have a job or any idea about how to get around or anything!

It's easy to lose my handle on that thought, though, and then I feel blue again for a while. For now, though, I feel pretty good. It was nice to get all the tips from fellow babblers about how to enjoy myself here. Thanks all!

And thanks for checking up on me, nonesuch!!


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posted 18 November 2002 02:45 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One thing that most people notice about us Torontonians is our natural "reserve" (or to others just plain snobbishness). I've found the protective veil that most here in the city adapt tends to be dropped pretty quickly if someone approachs who you perhaps want to converse with, an important point when, on many days, there are lots of people invading your space.

I love the city, live downtown in a neighbourhood where my parents, grand-parents, great-grandparents all lived. We don't own a car, walk everywhere (or TTC it, although we really don't go many places that arn't walkable).

And Toronto is pretty safe, with only a few areas of any real concern, it, like any city, can be really intimidating. My only advice there are some real jewel's of neighbourhoods outside those typically mentioned, like the Annex, Yorkville, Beach, Cabbagetown.

And while I can appreciate the (supposed) joys of living in small towns, give me Montreal, Boston, New York or here any day. Unlike the title of this thread the longest week I ever spent was one night in Kingston.


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posted 18 November 2002 04:23 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really like Kingston, except in winter. Then it sucks. Actually, any city sucks in winter. I'd much rather be in the country when it's cold and snowy.
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Lima Bean
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posted 18 November 2002 04:39 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ditto, ditto. Although the snow seems to have made Toronto a much more welcoming and natural place to me (slush puddles excepted). People seem more willing to smile when it's snowing, and it's cleaner and fresher out in the street (see above exception). Also, of course, I can't help but think of Christmas when it snows, and thinking of Christmas is wonderful because I'll be back home with my family and old friends at Christmas!!
I just wish it had snowed so much that work was cancelled!!! I want a snow day!!

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