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Topic: Dilemma from a male perspective.
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Zatamon
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posted 14 August 2002 06:57 PM
I just watched a rerun of ‘Voyager’ on TV. In a sudden inspiration, I realized why I dislike Captain Janeway so much. Contrary to some ideas already formed, I have always been a ‘feminist’ male. I hate any kind of discrimination, based on anything whatsoever. However, Janeway ‘grates’ on me. She reminds me of a female manager I had at IBM. She ‘overcompensates’. And I understand her, I would act the same way in her place, and she still grates on me, because she does not act naturally (how could she under the circumstances -- no one could). I will be probably torn to shreds over this post, so what else is new? Babble lives on!!! [ August 15, 2002: Message edited by: Zatamon ]
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skadie
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posted 14 August 2002 10:03 PM
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Face it: there are female managers who don't know what the hell they're doing. Not quite so many as male ones, but some.
Obviously there are a lot of bad managers out there, whether male or female. But if that was the idea behind the thread then why was it put in the feminist forum? I liken the attitude to "woman driver" jokes. Women cause less accidents than men, but as soon as a woman puts herself into a situation where she is independently in control (over a car or an employee base) she is ridiculed and her faults are interpreted as "womanly" faults.
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Apemantus
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posted 15 August 2002 05:10 AM
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And I do understand why and it is not her fault.
You do understand what, exactly??? She is a fictional character in a series and you are positive you know her motivation?? What a load of rubbish!! quote:
Every time I feel irritated by her, I feel guilty. I know it is our fault.
Come ON!! This is ridiculous!! She is a character, you have NO idea whether that is the actress' voice (which could be grating, just like an actor's voice). Maybe you have a big hang up about all women (and your comment about female IT managers makes me think maybe you do), and regularly flagellate yourself over your incapability to distinguish anything women do from their gender, but this is ludicrous!! Were you ever a Catholic? Never seen such a guilt complex!!!
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Apemantus
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posted 15 August 2002 08:51 AM
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If a man does it, he's aggressive, if a woman doesn it, she's a bitch. Sorry, sounds like the old double standard to me.
I am not sure there is a double standard there, so much as a misunderstanding (by others rather than you) of the words. A bitch is, to some extent at least, an agressive woman. Now, I personally would say that being aggressive is not a positive trait, and indeed, when applied to a country, even pro-war people think an aggressive country is a negative thing to be.
It is true that men are seen as supposed to be aggressive, whereas an aggressive woman is acting against the stereotype, supposedly, but in both instances, I would say whether a bitch or an aggressive man, the appraisal is a negative one. Perhaps 'bastard' better describes aggressive men?
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anna_c
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posted 19 August 2002 06:32 PM
like wingnut, i am curious, quote:
She ‘overcompensates’
for what? 
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