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lagatta
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posted 10 August 2004 04:54 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Up to 4000 attacks - including a burning mattress against the door - against a shopkeeper of Pakistani descent and his white spouse.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/story.jsp?story=549843

Whether or not the shopkeeper's "attitude" has anything to do with his being singled out, it is a shocking story.


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Anchoress
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posted 10 August 2004 05:23 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 10 August 2004 08:58 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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For his own part, Mr Hussain says that suggesting harassment is a by-product of the kind of families on the estate is just an easy away of denying racism exists.

Well, I would suspect that both things are true at once. There is often (always?) a class aspect to racism, and this one is pretty familiar in England. Those housing estates are exceptionally grim places, and a lot of people in them still turn to the easiest, know-nothing explanations of why their lives are so hard.

Even in the statements from supposedly sympathetic or "proper" witnesses in that story, you can detect the racism peeking through the prissy surfaces. And England First got 12 per cent of the vote in a by-election -- sounds about right, unfortunately.

(Was it England First that invited Le Pen over to speak a few months ago?)

[ 10 August 2004: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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liminal
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posted 10 August 2004 09:06 AM      Profile for liminal        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:

(Was it England First that invited Le Pen over to speak a few months ago?)

But Skdadl, he was invited by his British counterparts, The British National Party (BNP), not by England. Needless to say, he had quite a "welcome" by scores of British protestors in Manchester.


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skdadl
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posted 10 August 2004 09:10 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ah, that's right -- thanks, liminal.

Yes, I remember the "reception." Most entertaining write-up we linked to.

I wonder who England First are, then. Must do a bit of research. Why wouldn't people just join the BNP if it is a xenophobic, racist party they are looking for?

[ 10 August 2004: Message edited by: skdadl ]


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posted 10 August 2004 09:28 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey, that's one form of vote-splitting I'm not gonna complain about...
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skdadl
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posted 10 August 2004 09:35 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're right!
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Agent 204
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posted 10 August 2004 09:39 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, they are. I'm left. Left is right and right is wrong.

[ 10 August 2004: Message edited by: Mike Keenan ]


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skdadl
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posted 10 August 2004 09:42 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You're correct! (Are you?)
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Agent 204
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posted 10 August 2004 09:52 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course.
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The_Calling
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posted 10 August 2004 03:41 PM      Profile for The_Calling   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This puts into perspective how tolerant Canada is compared to other nations.
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lagatta
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posted 10 August 2004 04:02 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm suspicious of smug, self-satisfied attitudes with respect to racism or anything else. There is a long history of racism here with respect to Aboriginal peoples for one thing.
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posted 10 August 2004 04:32 PM      Profile for The_Calling   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am not a Canadian. I am observing your country from a foreign perspective. Canada certainly is not perfect but is it better than any other country that I know of. I mostly compare Canada to my country, the US. Canada compares very favorably to the US.
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liminal
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posted 10 August 2004 04:45 PM      Profile for liminal        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:

Why wouldn't people just join the BNP if it is a xenophobic, racist party they are looking for?



trouble in paradise? (by paradise I mean white, English, and Protestant).
But as a note, in general, I believe that the UK is quite a tolerant country, and comprises a society that accepts difference.

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posted 10 August 2004 05:12 PM      Profile for The_Calling   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
True but it is still more racist than Canada and the US.
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Gir Draxon
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posted 10 August 2004 05:22 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by The_Calling:
True but it is still more racist than Canada and the US.

You said something nice about the USA. How dare you?!


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The_Calling
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posted 10 August 2004 09:38 PM      Profile for The_Calling   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LOL. Well, I forgot to add that although the US is more tolerant overall, the UK is more tolerant of olive-skinned people from South Asia and the Middle East.

That said, the US does have some qualities.

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