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Ken Burch
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posted 05 November 2006 02:05 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think this is from a Sandinista-affiliated radio station and it will have results when they come in later tonight:

http://nuevaya.com.ni/home.php


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Fidel
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posted 05 November 2006 06:33 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Estoy agradecido, Ken.

Viva la revolucion!


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Wilf Day
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posted 05 November 2006 10:52 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Officials said privately that with half the votes counted Ortega appeared to be cruising to a first-round victory.
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Ken Burch
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posted 05 November 2006 10:59 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope the Sandinista Renovation Movement(MRS)will have a strong presence in the new congress. They are a progressive reform faction that will fight to hold Ortega to truer and more humane Sandinista values.

Also, I noticed that "Commandante Zero", Eden Pastora, decided to run. I wonder when he moved home from Costa Rica?


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Ken Burch
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posted 06 November 2006 01:32 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yahoo has Ortega getting 41%, eight points more than Monteleagre:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061106/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/nicaragua_elections


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posted 06 November 2006 09:32 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just trying to fix KB's side scroll om TAT
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posted 06 November 2006 11:07 AM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reuters reports that with 40% of polls counted, Ortega has crossed the 40% threshold needed to avoid a second-round of voting:
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MANAGUA, Nicaragua, Nov 6 (Reuters) - Former Marxist revolutionary and U.S. Cold War enemy Daniel Ortega headed back toward power on Monday in Nicaragua's presidential election 16 years after voters threw him out to end a war against U.S.-trained rebels.

With returns in from 40 percent of polling stations in Sunday's election, the 60-year-old Ortega had just above the 40 percent of votes that would seal a first-round win.

Two quick counts by respected observer groups also gave Ortega a big enough lead to win without facing a runoff.


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N.Beltov
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posted 06 November 2006 11:19 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A good omen [notwithstanding some of Ortega's church influenced policies] for Tuesday's Congressional and Senatorial elections in the US tomorrow?
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posted 06 November 2006 07:43 PM      Profile for Brett Mann        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let's hope...
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Wilf Day
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posted 06 November 2006 08:07 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ken Burch:
I hope the Sandinista Renovation Movement(MRS)will have a strong presence in the new congress. They are a progressive reform faction that will fight to hold Ortega to truer and more humane Sandinista values.

The three left candidates seem to have more than 46% of the vote between them. Still, that's less than 50%, and the Congress (PR system) will therefore not likely be under the control of the left. In the last House the standings were:

Liberal and constitutionalist party (PLC) 47
Sandinista National Liberation Front (FSLN) 43
Conservative Party (PC) 2


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Wilf Day
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posted 07 November 2006 06:17 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Daniel Ortega has 38.6%, eight points ahead of his conservative rival Eduardo Montealegre, results from 62% of polling stations show:
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Mr Ortega needs to win 40% of votes, or 35% and a five-point margin, to win outright and avoid a second round.

Mr Ortega has seen 16 years of conservative governments and says he wants an end to "savage capitalism".

But he says his revolutionary days are behind him - and his main priority is to secure foreign investment to help to ease widespread poverty.

Mr Ortega has been endorsed by left-wing Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.



Reuters reports:
Venezuela's leader helped Ortega's election campaign by sending cheap fertilizer and fuel to Sandinista-led groups. Many expect Chavez to spend some of his country's petrodollars to finance social programs in Nicaragua, which trails only Haiti as the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. "Venezuela's coooperation is the best. With help, the Nicaraguan people can get ahead," said Carlos Espinoza, a young Sandinista, at celebrations in the capital Managua.

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posted 09 November 2006 01:36 AM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Doing his best to delegitimize Ortega's win, Alvaro Vargas Llosa had this piece published in--where else?--the Toronto Globe & Mail:
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The result of Nicaragua’s crooked transition from Sandinista dictatorship to democracy can be gauged on many levels. According to a study by investigative reporter Jorge Loaisiga, the government over the last 15 years has spent $1.104 billion in compensation bonds paid to various types of claimants and another $500 million setting up bureaucratic structures to deal with the labyrinthine property rights disputes arising from the Sandinista land confiscations. In the absence of legal safeguards and enforceable property rights, the economy has been extremely weak. Nicaragua exports barely $800 million a year and is the poorest nation in the hemisphere after Haiti.

The political consequences of the failed transition were seen on Election Day Sunday. Because the pact lowered the bar for a first-round victory in the elections, Ortega, one of the major culprits of Nicaragua’s plight, needed only 35 percent of the vote, and a five-point lead over the runner-up in order to avoid a runoff. So, with 39 percent of the vote and with two-thirds of Nicaraguans dead set against him, Ortega is now almost certainly the president-elect although a few votes still need to be counted before his victory can be formally announced.

The best hope for a different outcome was with the center-right Nicaraguan Liberal Alliance, led by former Foreign Minister Eduardo Montealegre, and the centrist Sandinista Renovation Movement, which broke ranks with the Sandinistas a few years ago and whose candidate, Edmundo Jarquin, shared many values with Montealegre. But the center-right vote was split between Montealegre and Aleman’s PLC party, while Jarquin actually took more votes away from Montealegre than from Ortega.


Link.

The Sandinistas weren't perfect, to be sure, but Vargas Llosa's refusal to deal seriously in this column with the failure of more than a decade's worth of neo-liberal economics says a lot, in my view.

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Here's a letter I submitted to the G&M yesterday in response to Llosa:

Editor, The Globe and Mail:

Many Globe and Mail readers will surely think that it is Alvara Vargas LLosa who is upside down in his view of Nicaragua. (Nicaragua, turned upside down : AV Losa, Nov.8) Amazing that he could write a fairly lengthy assessment of Daniel Ortega completely bereft of reference to Mr. Ortega's venal and cruel predecessor, the US- backed dictator Somoza; to the crimes commited in the name of US foreign policy in the Contra war; or to the fact that Ortega was the first president in Nicaragua's history to peacefully relinquish power in a democratic election. Mr. Llosa's smear job on Ortega betrays another misconception current in America - the belief that the US has anything much of value left to teach the world about democracy or human rights.

Brett Mann


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Wilf Day
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posted 09 November 2006 05:38 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As one would expect from the presidential vote, the right will hold the majority in the 92-seat National Assembly:

The Alianza Liberal Nicaragüense (ALN) will have 27 legislators, and the Partido Liberal Constitucionalista (PLC) 22.

The Frente Sandinista de Liberación Nacional (FSLN) will have 37, and the Movimiento Renovador Sandinista (MRS) will have 6.


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posted 09 November 2006 01:30 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Without wanting to be divisive, I think it is important to remember that this victory is a direct result of the Sandinistas refusing to take the advice of Fidel Castro, who had counselled them back in the 1980s not to hold elections.

He argued that elections would necessarily be a vehicle for American-based interests to swamp Nicaraguan autonomy, and when the Sandinistas lost in 1990, the Cubans basically said "I told you so."

But the Sandinista willingness to accept the result of the 1990 election has meant that their political option remains viable and compelling for many Nicaraguans.


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posted 09 November 2006 04:18 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:

He argued that elections would necessarily be a vehicle for American-based interests to swamp Nicaraguan autonomy, and when the Sandinistas lost in 1990, the Cubans basically said "I told you so."


And it only took 16 years for Nicaragua to get this far, Jeff. We sincerely hope that Nicaraguan's are able to achieve the same levels of literacy and infant mortality that existed in Cuba a good many years ago. Nicaragua will require sustained effort in repairing the damage done by corruption associated with neo-Liberalism in that country.

Viva la revolucion!


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But had the Sandinistas undemocratically held on to power, they would have presided over a descent into dictatorship.

For sixteen years, Nicaraguans would have suffered under an attitude which claims to know best for the people what the people should want.

That is extremely damaging too.


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posted 09 November 2006 04:53 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not to mention being at war the whole time.

Establishing their democratic bona fides makes it more difficult for the U.S. to launch a military attack on them.


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posted 09 November 2006 05:09 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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jrootham: Establishing their democratic bona fides makes it more difficult for the U.S. to launch a military attack on them.

MAYBE. Then again, Jacabo Arbenz Guzman in Guatemala and Salvador Alliende in Chile were democratically elected Presidents ... overthrown by force by the United States and its proxies. Maybe Ortega should clean out the barrel of his gun ... just in case.


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posted 09 November 2006 05:14 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I said more difficult, not impossible. Also, no cold war now. Lots more info in the public eye about how those events transpired. The cat has yet to be belled, but at least some people are measuring a collar.
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posted 09 November 2006 05:33 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aristide's Haiti, 50 miles from Cuba. Lumumba in the Congo through to Bishop in Grenada, they were all democratically-elected and removed by the same anti-democratic western agencies whose primary goals are to subvert democracy.

Fascism hides behind a mask of democracy until it's existence is threatened by democracy, at which time the mask comes off.

The cold war is just the colder war now. U.S. military budgets are still the highest in the world and running up the largest national debts in world history. Donald Rumsfeld announced increased aid for Latin America's militaries severl months ago. The faces change but not the agenda.

Leftist rebels are still fighting U.S.-backed fascist regimes from Burma to Colombia. Fascists aid and abet Chechen "rebels" and mercenaries from around Asia and Europe. Does anyone believe Hamid Karzai is a democratically-elected leader ?.

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One just has to see how our media and unfortunately some babblers demonise Chavez to see that being democratically elected has nothing to do with the all out attacks any nation that tries to reject neo-liberalism faces.

Destroying an entire generation of Nicaraguans for the sake of "democratic legitmicay" is no small price.

I hope Ortega remembers who his true friends are and rejects the IMF formula that has destroyed the country. If the Sandinistas can re-create the education and health programmes from their previous rule, neo-liberalism will be dealt another blow.

We'll all have to wait and see whether he decides to be another Morales or Garcia. I fervently hope its the former.


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posted 29 November 2006 09:35 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nicaraguan Voters Rebuff Imperialism
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Many observers from the national and international left have noted that there was really no "left" option in the Nicaraguan elections. This is a valid appreciation if "left" is taken to mean pro-socialist. However, the combined FSLN-MRS vote indicates that a significant 44% of the population continue to identify with the heritage of the Sandinista revolution and used the elections to express defiance of imperialist arrogance and power. Even PLC voters expressed indignation over U.S. attempts to sideline their party.
And by the same author:

The FSLN’s Evolution Since 1990:From Revolutionary to National Bourgeois Party

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The Sandinista National Liberation Front (FSLN) is not the same party that led the Sandinista revolution to victory in 1979 and then formed a revolutionary anti-imperialist government based on mobilized workers and farmers. It is not even the same party that lost the elections in 1990 to the National Opposition Union (UNO), a pro-U.S. coalition led by Violeta Chamorro and the Managua daily La Prensa.

The intractable problems inflicted by the long U.S.-sponsored Contra war compounded by the 1990 electoral defeat brought about a political and ideological implosion of the FSLN’s national leadership. Many leaders concluded that the whole revolutionary project had been misconceived. Given the collapse of the Stalinist regimes in Eastern Europe and of the Soviet Union itself, most of this leadership now believed that socialism was no longer a viable option for Latin America, at least for many decades.

In tandem with this ideological collapse, many were seduced to buy into the new order. A range of Sandinista leaders and associates participated in a privatization process of state and FSLN property. They emerged as a new sector of the Nicaraguan capitalist class, the so-called Sandinista bourgeoisie.



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Well, my favourite quote on the results of the election comes from the Onion..

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"I'm glad Reagan didn't live to see this. No, wait. I'm just glad he's dead."

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