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CharlotteT
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posted 09 May 2006 09:31 PM      Profile for CharlotteT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hirsi Ali, an amazingly courageous and intelligent woman is speaking across the US. She escaped an arranged marriage and immigrated to Holland, where she now serves as an MP.
Listen to her on National Public Radio:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5382547

Watch her film that prompted the murder of her fellow filmaker, Theo van Gogh (yes, he was related to that van Gogh):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=846339861805446088&q=submission+Van+Gogh

In spite of death threats, she's not backing down and is releasing a sequel, which will highlight Islam's treatment of gay men.

Discuss. Why don't we hear more about her here in CAnada?


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M. Spector
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posted 09 May 2006 10:25 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ali has many criticisms to make of the religion of Islam, and most of them are justified.

But at the same time she seems to give a free ride to the imperialists of Europe and America. Read the Preface to her book, on the NPR website that Charlotte linked to.

When she talks about the 9/11 attacks, there's never a consideration of whether the USA is anything other than an innocent victim of religious fanatics. When she talks about Iraq today she condemns Muslims for not opposing the violence of the Muslim "insurgents" but doesn't criticize the imperialist invaders who created the crisis of violence in that country. When she talks about the "Mohammed cartoon" crisis there is no reference to the context of legitimate grievances of Muslims in Europe and elsewhere.

Ali is an MP for the right-wing Dutch party VVD. Think Diane Ablonczy.


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CharlotteT
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posted 09 May 2006 11:12 PM      Profile for CharlotteT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Think Diane Ablonczky?

Hirsi Ali began in a left-wing party and made the decision to switch parties.

She is visiting the US from Europe, where she freely speaks about the oppression of many Muslim women, and religious fanatics want her to be their innocent victim. It seems strange that you would expect her to denounce the countries she's taken refuge in and compare her to a priveleged, white Canadian MP who doesn't require 24/7 bodyguard protection from death threaths.

I'm a little stunned that you dismiss this woman as just a "Diane Ablonczky"


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Ken Burch
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posted 10 May 2006 08:38 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The problem with Ms. Ali is that it seems it would not be enough for her to reform and humanize Islam. It appears she wants the West to try to wipe out Islam by force, which would, it goes without saying, end up wiping out most of the planet in the various crossfires.

Her anger is justified, but is uncontrolled.


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M. Spector
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posted 16 May 2006 07:56 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A Somali-born Member of the Dutch Parliament, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, says she will resign after she admitting lying on her application for asylum in the Netherlands.

Ms Hirsi Ali said she will quit after the country's immigration minister said her citizenship might be invalid.

A fierce critic of conservative Islam, Ms Ali rose to prominence in 2004 after a film-maker colleague, Theo van Gogh, was murdered by a Muslim extremist.

Ms Ali has admitted using a false name and date of birth when she arrived in 1992 to stop her family finding her after she fled an arranged marriage with a cousin in Canada.

It has been known for some time that Ms Ali lied about her name and her date of birth on her asylum application; but now it is thought she also lied about the reasons she was seeking asylum.

Ms Ali said she is taking up a job in the United States.

Source


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Ken Burch
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posted 17 May 2006 12:27 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The above story leaves me with mixed feelings.

On one level, I'm glad Ms. Ali is out of Dutch politics and, apparently, leaving the Netherlands, since it seems clear that she's done that country far more harm than good.

On another, I can actually understand a person creating a false identity to escape a system under which they faced mortal danger just for the crime of living while female.

Ms. Ali could have been a great force for justice for women in and out of the Muslim world, but she threw in with the forces of reaction and war and ended up calling for an anti-Islamic jihad, a war which would kill far more innocent people(and especially innocent female people)than the system she so passionately denounced.

And the crushing final irony is, the things she condemned in "Islamic" countries did not, in fact, derive from the Qoran at all. They were, in the main, local or tribal customs that predated Islam. If she'd only seen that, rather than falsely blaming the religion itself.


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ceti
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posted 17 May 2006 11:23 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The BBC reported that she will be joining the American Enterprise Institute, one of the most right-wing think tanks in Washington, and one that promoted the Iraq War.

The fact that she stood for a right-wing party that has taken a hardline position on amnesty seekers, doesn't elicit much sympathy for her position either.

And she is not tremendously courageous. It's easier for someone from a minority to take a contrarian, but pro-establishment position. She gets all sorts of accolades and rewards for doing so, as opposed to anyone from even the majority community taking an anti-establishment position.


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sidra
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posted 17 May 2006 11:37 PM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Her goose is cooked.

With a fundie, what you see is what you get. But with this poster-girl of the anti-Islam crowd, you see a layer called the "honourable" member of the Dutsch Parilament and another called the dishonest, cheat, scammer Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

[ 17 May 2006: Message edited by: sidra ]


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Ken Burch
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posted 19 May 2006 01:32 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to today's New York Times Op-Ed page, the decision to revoke Ms. Ali's citizenship was taken by a right-wing member of Ms. Ali's own "Liberal" Party (a party that is "liberal" in the hard-line capitalist "free market" sense, not the Trudeau sense), a woman who believes that she has to be ultra-inflexible on immigration issues if she is to win the Liberal Party leadership.

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ceti
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posted 24 May 2006 09:47 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why the jig is up for Hirsi Ali in Holland

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Her well-ordered world came crashing down recently when a TV documentary suggested her entire claim to stardom was a fraud; not only had there been no forced marriage and no family vendetta but that she enjoyed good relations with her family and husband, both before and after settling in Holland.

Professor Jytte Klausen of Brandeis University, author of The Islamic Challenge: Politics and Religion in Western Europe, who knows Hirsi Ali and has followed her case closely, said in a telephone interview Thursday:

"She wasn't forced into a marriage. She had an amicable relationship with her husband, as well as with the rest of her family. It was not true that she had to hide from her family for years."



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ceti
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posted 24 May 2006 09:50 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So you see, just another opportunist feeding into Islamophobia -- like the post that began this thread.
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Ken Burch
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posted 24 May 2006 10:54 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the scary thought that now faces those of us on the Yank side of the border:

How soon will they make Ms. Ali a Republican candidate?


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