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Doug
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posted 23 May 2005 01:27 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder says he wants a general election this autumn - a year early - after his party lost a key powerbase in local polls.

Mr Schroeder made the announcement after his Social Democrats (SPD) lost the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, which they had held for 39 years.


It's kind of sounding like he wants to commit suicide before he gets murdered.


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Fidel
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posted 23 May 2005 05:46 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's what they get for listening to political conservatives. They haven't had this much unemployment since that period just before the last big war, when industrialists and bankers got into bed with Hitler.
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Wilf Day
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posted 24 May 2005 04:19 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The detailed results show the new left protest party WASG getting 2.2% while the PDS dropped 0.2% and the Greens dropped 0.9%. If the SPD voters were disillusioned with Schroder's liberal economic policies why did they shift mainly to a more right-wing alternative, the CDU?
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arborman
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posted 25 May 2005 02:40 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because people vote stupidly sometimes.
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kuri
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posted 25 May 2005 02:48 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Getting the turnout rates may also fill in some of the blanks. Or it may not.

Edited to add: Do you speak German, Wilf?

[ 25 May 2005: Message edited by: kurichina ]


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Wilf Day
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posted 25 May 2005 03:10 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kurichina:
Getting the turnout rates may also fill in some of the blanks.

That's what surprised me the most. I thought the turnout would drop as disillusioned SPD voters stayed home. As it says here, the turnout went UP from 56.7% to 63.0%.

OK, here's a theory, supported (unlike some theories) by actual numbers. The actual SPD vote (not their percentage) dropped by only a measly 84,105, compared to the increase for the left-socialists of 174,934. The voters list went up by 177,905, of whom perhaps 105,000 would have been expected to vote, about 46,000 of them for the left. The Green vote dropped 9,076. That makes about 140,000 voters freed up for the left-socialists. So they got about 35,000 votes extra, from the higher turnout.

So the real story seems to be the previously discouraged CDU voters -- it's decades since the CDU had a chance there -- turning out in droves.

The counter-intuitive conclusion: the left actually did fine. However, the perception and expectation that they would do badly fueled the hopes of the CDU supporters, and prompted them to vote in record numbers, putting them in government.

If I'm right, it re-enforces a long-standing belief of mine: that elections aren't mostly about the rare vote-switchers, but are really about turnout; losing parties' voters staying home, winning parties' voters turning out. Amateur statisticians with their "vote swings" usually fail to track the actual voters.

Edited to add: Ich spreche nur ein bisschen Deutsch. Zwei yahre im schule (11 & 12). Aber ich genieße Übersetzungen Googles.

[ 25 May 2005: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]


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