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EmmaG
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posted 09 October 2006 05:53 PM      Profile for EmmaG        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BBC:

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Tens of thousands of people have marched through the Venezuelan capital, Caracas, in support of the main opposition candidate, Manuel Rosales.
Mr Rosales will face President Hugo Chavez in December's presidential poll.

The march, which filled the main avenues of the city centre, was the biggest opposition rally Venezuela has seen since early 2004.

Then, protesters made an unsuccessful bid to oust Mr Chavez from power in a recall referendum.


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a lonely worker
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posted 09 October 2006 06:26 PM      Profile for a lonely worker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Too bad you missed quoting the most important part of the article:

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But for now, Mr Chavez still enjoys a clear lead in opinion polls because of a sense of loyalty that poor and working-class voters feel towards him.

The people who dislike Chavez are the same US funded puppets as before. This isn't news, just some neo-liberal fantasies.

It will only be a matter of time before we find out how much the US paid for this march, like all others before it. Another interesting question will be if the US continues to be unsuccessful in assasinating Chavez, how long before Rosales pulls out to prevent another embarassing loss?

ETA: By your posting this, do you actually hope Chavez loses and Venezuela returns to being a US colony?

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Il Morto Qui Parla
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posted 09 October 2006 07:03 PM      Profile for Il Morto Qui Parla     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chavez will winfree and fair elections and he will continue hiking up oil prices for the imperio whilst using the profits to feed, educate and house his people. Good for him.
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Ken Burch
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posted 10 October 2006 10:38 AM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
May we assume, Emma G, that you refuse to accept that poor and working-class Venezuelans actually have any reason to feel loyal to Chavez?
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posted 10 October 2006 10:44 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Imagine such a huge opposition rally was held peacefully. Could that have happened in America's Colombia or in any of the torture states propped up by Uncle Sam? Like, say, Haiti?
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otter
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posted 10 October 2006 10:57 AM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that Chavez has criticized bushwhacker as a Devil incarnate at the U.N. there will be all kinds of covert U.S. operations aimed at displacing him. This latest attempt to subvert the Venezulian government will fail like the lst 2 attempts did.

But what the assholes in the u.s. of arrogance do not realize is that Chavez is not their real enemy. It is the long history of abuse and exploitation that Central and South Americans have experienced through u.s. interventions. And there is nothing they can do to remove that knowledge.


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posted 10 October 2006 11:48 AM      Profile for blogbart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've just watched a video called "Venezuela Bolivariana People and the struggle of the 4th world war" (see it at Google Video) and though I can't say what its "propaganda rating" is, ie is it too favourable to Chavez and the Bolivarian revolution, it is safe to say that the majority of Venezualan's, primarily from the poor and normally disenfranchised, support Chavez and the "revolution". This was demonstrated most vividly, apart from his election, by the spontaneous move to the street by this majority after the coup which put Chavez in jail, and how this brought another faction of the military to counter-coup and reinstall Chavez.

The spontaneous uprising of people and their ability to restore Chavez to his democratically elected presidency was amazing.

Still, Chavez appears to be opposed by about 48% of the population (based on the election results which gave Chavez 58% of popular vote with the rest split between two other candidates).

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a lonely worker ....
It will only be a matter of time before we find out how much the US paid for this march, like all others before it. Another interesting question will be if the US continues to be unsuccessful in assasinating Chavez, how long before Rosales pulls out to prevent another embarassing loss?

Given this 48% opposing Chavez, it is not clear that their position is motivated by US interference but rather legitimate opposition. I mean if a former land owner, a Venezualan, is upset because his property was nationalized, he has a right to vote and organize against Chavez, even if they are wrong from a moral and historical legitimacy stance.

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Frustrated Mess....
Imagine such a huge opposition rally was held peacefully. Could that have happened in America's Colombia or in any of the torture states propped up by Uncle Sam? Like, say, Haiti?

I agree that it is interesting/impressive that Chavez appears to be accepting opposition without resorting to tactics that have normally prevailed in Latin America. I wonder what Chavez has been doing to include this 48% so that US interference has less impact?


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posted 10 October 2006 12:03 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not to nitpick, but Chavez can't enjoy 58% and the opposition 48%. It doesn't add up. It is either 58/42 or 52/48.
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posted 10 October 2006 12:51 PM      Profile for blogbart   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
58% Chavez
42 % Non-Chavez

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Il Morto Qui Parla
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posted 10 October 2006 12:53 PM      Profile for Il Morto Qui Parla     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe he won 56% approval in the last plebiscite on his rule...I actually know a Venezuelan who is actively involved in left-wing politics and opposes Chavez, whilst Chavez enjoys the support of the nationalist right, so nothing is clear cut. However, I have no business judging Venezuelan domestic politics, all I will do is demand that the country's sovereignity be respected, like we all should, because imperialism is OUR evil and that is the one we must fight.

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