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Divided Majority
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posted 05 October 2008 11:15 AM
Sunday October 5, 2008The smartest move Mr. Harper made this election was the Psychological Operation (PsyOp) he ran by saying "I think the Canadian public has become more conservative". This I think caused the progressive majority to surrender this election and turn to the American presidential election hoping for better news. But this is not true. In 2006 federal election 76% of all NDP ballots went to waste, producing zero seats, 50 percent of the Liberal ballots and 100 percent of the Green ballots suffered the same fate. The combined vote share in the last federal election of all of the three parties was 53 percent of the total ballots, which produced only 43 percent of the total parliament seats. The latest Harris-Decima poll is giving the three parties 52 percent of the total public opinion polls while Nanos Research is giving them 57 percent. This translates – believe or not - to 121 seats which is only 39 percent of the total seats. The result Mr. Harper would love you to believe is due to Canadians growing more conservative. Or is it? The Centre to Centre-left was always fragmented and it won elections because the right and far-right suffered from the same problem, now that the Canadian Alliance party has completely acquired and devoured the PCs, the Canadian electoral map is left with a very fragmented progressive vote and very concentrated right and far-right vote. This could lead to a conservative majority government with only 36 percent of the popular vote. The three progressive party leaders except for Elizabeth May are waiting for a miracle to change the opinion polls, unfortunately this is not going to happen as the conservative did not increase their vote share (around 35 percent) it is the Centre that got more fragmented. The solution is very simple; progressives need to vote as a bloc in each and every riding. This will allow for a better share of MPs and will allow for the each party to keep its total vote share. Harper wants you to think that this election is already lost, it is not. Please visit http://www.strategicvoting.ca/ for a riding by riding vote suggestion.
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Alone30s
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posted 05 October 2008 02:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by MacD:
But first you will have to convince me that the Liberal and Green parties are, in fact, progressive.
Do you really think you are the only game in town? This is what is wrong with the NDP party. Fifty years of claiming to be "the chosen ones" has not worked. Give it a rest already.
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Uncle John
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posted 05 October 2008 02:28 PM
There is no evidence that Liberal is progressive. The track record of decades of Liberal rule is testament to that.What the Liberals do is campaign as 'progressives' when they are in opposition, and then govern like conservatives when in government. If I want 'progressive', I'll take NDP, and if I want 'conservative', I'll take the Conservatives. The main thing is that I am no longer deluded by a bullshit party like the Liberals.
From: Toronto | Registered: Feb 2008
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MacD
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posted 05 October 2008 02:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Alone30s: Do you really think you are the only game in town? This is what is wrong with the NDP party. Fifty years of claiming to be "the chosen ones" has not worked. Give it a rest already.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to call "HYPOCRITE" on this one. Over in this thread you were complaining about "name calling" that never happened and here you are doing some name calling of your own. I'll also point out the obvious -- that your "response" did not actually address my post. The Chretien-Martin Liberal governments were elected on progressive platforms but while in office, if anything, they accelerated the neo-liberal reforms that Mulroney begin. I consider myself a progressive but I do not consider the Liberals progressive; therefore, I don't see any sense in voting "strategically". I also don't see your ranting as a reason to reconsider my opinion. [ 05 October 2008: Message edited by: MacD ]
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Malcolm
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posted 05 October 2008 02:53 PM
quote: Originally posted by Divided Majority: There is a difference and I tried my best using a clear and fair criteria to pick a party to vote for in each riding.
There is a difference.
The Harper Conservatives admit that they are a right wing party. The Liberals lie.
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Malcolm
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posted 05 October 2008 02:56 PM
Went and checked your site.Despite the fact that the Green Party finished a distant, distant fourth - well behind the Liberals who finished a distant third, despite the fact that the combined Liberal and Green vote would STILL leave them in a distant third, you have advocated voting Green. Clearly your methodology is crap. Pretty much standard from "strategic" voting advocates.
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Malcolm
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posted 05 October 2008 03:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by Alone30s: Same-sex marriage. Please don't tell me Layton wants to take credit for that too???
Same sex marriage.
Oh. Right. That would be the issue where the Liberals introduced a Parliamentary motion to say that marriage is between a man and a woman, and where the vast majority of Liberal MPs, including Jean Chretien and Paul Martin voted for it. Equal Marriage only passed when the courts pressed Martin's hand. Of course, you're the fibber who claims to have left the NDP over this issue, so your "case" is exactly tripe.
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V. Jara
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posted 05 October 2008 04:35 PM
If you want to see how "strategic voting" really works, check out the recommendation for Saanich Gulf Islands. It recommends everyone vote NDP in a riding where there is NO NDP candidate.Similarly, check out the recommendation for Esquimalt-Juan de Fuca. It recommends voting for Canada's leading parliamentary advocate for the privatization of health care, a former candidate for the Reform Party leadership, and did I mention a member of the Canadian Alliance until they became the Conservative Party in 2004. True strategic voting is when you use your head and vote for the candidate you would most like to see represent you- regardless of party.
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