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PHILADELPHIA-August 23, 2005 - Investigators now say Latoyia Figueroa's ex-boyfriend killed her because she wouldn't end her pregnancy and another person will soon be arrested in connection with the crime.
Twenty-five-year-old Stephen Poaches was arrested over the weekend.

Sources say he has confessed to killing Figueroa and her unborn child. In the confession, Poaches allegedly says he strangled the 24-year-old woman in a rage when she told him she did not believe in abortion.

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I'm proud to be "anti-choice" if this is what "pro-choice" means!

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Having an abortion is not fun and games. No woman does it for kicks.

How many women are pressured into it by "boyfriends" or "husbands" who, like Bacchus said, are just driven by their own selfishness. How many women are killed, like Latoyia Figueroa was, because she oh-so-inconveniently got pregnant and started thinking for herself and about her own life and her own future, instead of being just good little sex-toy like her boyfriend wanted.

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Are you also proud to be anti-choice when one of your anti-choice friends murders someone who says they are for choice?

Fuck you conservatives are stupid ... can't see beyond the littl "hot button" stuck on the tip of your noses.

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Being pro-life is just that, pro-LIFE. I am against murder for any reason, including the state-sanctioned murder which is capital punishment. A person, born or unborn, is of infinite value. And I am not a conservative, except in the social-conservative sense of being pro-life.

Yes, that is my hot button: that human life is treated far too cheaply in this society.

kurichina, you're right: I don't understand the pro-choice side at all. It is nothing but bad news from what I can see.

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It seems she excercised her choice and then a man made a different one for her. That is the very essence of anti-choice. I am sure you are proud.

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The "boyfriend" insisted that she avail herself of the "choice" to abort. He did not respect the life of their unborn child---and he did not respect her life either. Pro-choice ideology is awfully consistent: no human life has any worth.

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Nice to see another anti-choicer revelling in the death of a woman. Really drives home the motivations of a lot of them.

God am I sick of hearing new stories speak of women's "unborn children."

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Ah, glad to see someone understands: No one has the "right" to kill anyone else, for any reason. Not to hang people in Iran for being gay, not to kill unborn children, and not to kill your "girlfriend" for being an inconvenience.

Bacchus, you nailed it right on the head with this:

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"...He only saw the down side for him, refused to consider anyone else's feelings and killed her to solve his selfish goals."

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Originally posted by swirrlygrrl:

God am I sick of hearing new stories speak of women's "unborn children."

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I have always wondered about that... they always say "un-born", but I am certain they mean pre-born. Un-born says to me that the baby was born then re-inserted into the womb. Pre-born means baby prior to birth.

As a man, I feel that men who want to limit, restrict, or proscribe one way or the other a woman's right to choose her own reproductivity are mainly after one thing, power.

Mostly, you hear stories about a man who wants to prevent his partner from having an abortion. This is just the flip side of the same coin, where a man tried to assert his power over a woman to HAVE an abortion and she chose differently than he wanted her to. The underlying issue is the same, though. He couldn't make her do what he wanted her to do, so he killed her.

The scary part of this story is that the issue of abortion is secondary to the issue of control. I wonder what he would have done if she opposed his will on any of the number of issues that any couple may disagree on, such as work, education, place of residence, etc. I would be willing to bet that rage at being thwarted would be the result of any 'disobedience' on her part.

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Originally posted by Gir Draxon:

I have always wondered about that... they always say "un-born", but I am certain they mean pre-born. Un-born says to me that the baby was born then re-inserted into the womb. Pre-born means baby prior to birth.

Does this bother anyone else?

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Yeah, it bothers me a lot. When a pregnant woman dies and the media focuses on the tragedy of her "unborn child" passing I wonder: is the death of the adult woman not tragic enough? The tone in reports always strikes me as "It's sad this woman died [but she was pregnant and unwed you know] but her unborn child's death - now THAT is an appalling tragedy." It makes me really sad for the woman.

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He did not respect the life of their unborn child---and he did not respect her life either. Pro-choice ideology is awfully consistent: no human life has any worth.

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Posted by Fed:I'm proud to be "anti-choice" if this is what "pro-choice" means!

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[ 26 August 2005: Message edited by: deBeauxOs ]

The anti-abortion movement is not pro-life, it is anti-abortion.

"For our right to life" Forever

[ 26 August 2005: Message edited by: marcella ]

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I am pro-life. Proudly. I am pro my life, my right to choose and the lives of all my sisters for lead their lives and their right to choose. I am pro supporting that which wymyn in this world needs to live, if that be to not have a child, that is the life for which I am pro. I am pro my right to choose my future and my LIFE. I am pro the right for me to live without the burden of a unwanted child, for whatever reason.

The anti-abortion movement is not pro-life, it is anti-abortion.

"For our right to life" Forever

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Maybe trying to imagine it got to me.

Also, why doesn't "Fed" hold the "boyfriend" to any accountability in this for his obvious refusal to WEAR A FRIGGIN' CONDOM?

Truly, in Fed, we see the true face of the right wing of the antiabortion movement(more progressive "seamless garment" pro-lifers would be kicking Fed's sanctimonious ass right now).
It's not about saving the child, to these people. It's about preserving male power at all costs.

I think this truly takes "blaming the victim" to a spectacular new level.

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if this is what "pro-choice" means!

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... I am pro the right for me to live without the burden of a unwanted child, for whatever reason.

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And yes, if some were wondering, they had taken precautions to avoid pregnancy.

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kill your child or you die yourself. But that is where that woman was....

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She was a victim of domestic violence this has nothing to do with Choice at all. You had no business conflating the two.

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Doesn't anyone here see that this is a story about how some men simply _expect_ that unplanned pregnancies will be aborted so that their selfish, irresponsible, lives can go on as before?

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So then this is a story that should re-enforce the pro-choice cause. Her choice was the law. He was a bully. No matter that her choice to have the child wouldn’t have impeded him in his quest to be selfish and irresponsible, as it doesn’t impede many a deadbeat parent. But he would likely have found a reason to kill her eventually.

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posted by Fed: this story really, really, bothered me. I've never been in a position where the choices are: kill your child or you die yourself. But that is where that woman was.... Maybe trying to imagine it got to me.

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Since I have gone to other threads where you have posted, read what you have written and have great respect for your opinions, I hope that you will listen to mine.

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Doesn't anyone here see that this is a story about how some men simply _expect_ that unplanned pregnancies will be aborted so that their selfish, irresponsible, lives can go on as before?

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Originally posted by Fed:kill your child or you die yourself.

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Originally posted by deBeauxOs:
When a man any person chooses to kill his wife, lover, daughter or any other woman any person, regardless of personal relationship, who won't do what they want, the issue that triggers the violence is irrelevant.

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I made a few corrections to your post.

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Edited to add: Also, I was responding to the news article, where the genders of the 'perp' and the 'vic' are clearly identified and which was the topic of discussion.

[ 26 August 2005: Message edited by: deBeauxOs ]

Get real. While there have been some strides made in some countries, the lives of women are cheap, and particularly when taken from them by people who they are personally involved with, either by choice, by "choice," or by blood. Your attempt to make this "gender neutral" is merely a ploy to obscure the fact that violence against women is an epidemic, and the gendered aspect of most interpersonal violence. In the context of this discussion and forum in particular, your post is offensive, ignorant and unwelcome.

*edited to fix a redundancy*

[ 26 August 2005: Message edited by: swirrlygrrl ]