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Doug
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posted 09 March 2008 12:38 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Thousands of pet cats in Beijing are being abandoned by their owners and sent to die in secretive government pounds as China mounts an aggressive drive to clean up the capital in preparation for the Olympic Games.

Hundreds of cats a day are being rounded and crammed into cages so small they cannot even turn around.

Then they are trucked to what animal welfare groups describe as death camps on the edges of the city.


Cats caught in preparation for the Beijing Olympics


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The Wizard of Socialism
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posted 09 March 2008 01:07 PM      Profile for The Wizard of Socialism   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Normally, this sort of outrage would merit a response from me in defense of the little kitties filled with rage and conjecture. But in this case, that would be pointless. If we can't do anything about human rights in that far off hell, how could we ever hope to do anything about feline rights? Those cats are doomed. All we can do is try and do better in our own lives. Visit your local Humane Society. If you, like me, live in an apartment and cannot adopt a cat, kick in a few bucks for them. Our goal should be that every home should have a cat and that every shelter is a no-kill shelter. When Tommy said we should build the New Jerusalem, he didn't just mean for ourselves, he meant for cats too. At least that's the way I interpret the thing...

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Fidel
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posted 09 March 2008 06:15 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We don't even have to leave Canada to observe
people abusing animals. Some farmers I've met in Ontario can be pretty cold and calous when it comes to dealing with animals in general. And think nothing of it. If you said anything to them, they'd shrug if off and chock it up to business as usual. Sometimes people can be more cruel than mother nature.

In China and Asia in general, life was pretty cruel for hundreds of millions of people for a very, very long time. Animal suffering doesn't even register on their radar.


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Ken Burch
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posted 09 March 2008 07:57 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ewan MacColl once wrote a song about those who place greater concern about the suffering of animals than humans:

1) We don't pretend we're perfect but we have endearing features,

We're honest and we're always kind to God's four-footed creatures;

Dogs and horses, hamsters, rabbits, little furry things-

Lousy Europeans can't appreciate the pleasure that
a little kindness brings,

We're a nation of animal lovers.

2) When Greeks were being tortured then we always held our peace,

We used to like to spend our summer holidays in Greece;

Cats and ponies, budgies, moths and hairy caterpillars-

Lousy Europeans can't appreciate the pleasure that these little creatures give us,

We're a nation of animal lovers.


3) When there's hangings in South Africa we just avert our gaze,

But we're tender-hearted to a fault with alley cats and strays;

Remember how the nation nearly had a nervous spasm,

Breathlessly anticipating giant panda's pleasure in a cuddly orgasm

We're a nation of animal lovers.

4) When there's rioting in Brixton we're impressively impassive,

But be cruel to a horse and our reaction then is massive,

Guinea pigs and painted terrapins, tropical fishes-

Lesser races cannot understand that it would meet with all our wishes

IF THERE WERE NO HUMAN BEINGS.


(c)1968, Ewan MacColl Ltd.

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Cueball
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posted 09 March 2008 08:30 PM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

Cats caught in preparation for the Beijing Olympics


Yeah. They did the same think Toronto to homeless people just before the G7 conference in 87.


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Ken Burch
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posted 09 March 2008 10:05 PM      Profile for Ken Burch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the drove out a lot of the poor in Vancouver before Expo 86 (as documented in the Spirit Of The West song "The Profiteers")

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ceti
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posted 10 March 2008 10:12 AM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Concern for animals being an either-or situation vis-a-vis humans is an old canard and should be put to rest.

Anything that increases suffering whether animal or human should be opposed. Man's inhumanity to man does not excuse his even graver inhumanity to other species.


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Michelle
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posted 10 March 2008 10:24 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's more important to focus on what we do to animals here than what they do to animals there.

The way we treat food animals here in factory farms is no better than the way China will treat those cats. We can speak with moral authority about the way China treats animals once we stop abusing animals right here at home.


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Sineed
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posted 10 March 2008 12:27 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The article says the Chinese government is fomenting the cat slaughter by associating cats with disease. There's a sort of historical precedent: in medieval Europe, cats became associated with witchcraft and were slaughtered by the millions. The rat population exploded, and these rats acted as carriers for fleas that bore Yersinia pestis, the Black Plague that killed one-third of the population of Europe.

Once the kitty population started to recover, they got the rats back under control, and the plague subsided.


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scooter
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posted 12 March 2008 06:11 AM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sineed:
The article says the Chinese government is fomenting the cat slaughter by associating cats with disease.

We do it here too. Our governments, at all levels, associate mice with disease. It's even worse for rats.

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M. Spector
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posted 12 March 2008 09:03 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not to mention pigeons.
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angrymonkey
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posted 12 March 2008 11:12 AM      Profile for angrymonkey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I think it's more important to focus on what we do to animals here than what they do to animals there.

I see this type of point pop up in babble and I am always slightly bothered by it. Maybe you can clarify michelle.
I agree that people should work more within their own pocket of the world- cast the mote out of your own eye so to speak.
That people shouldn't go blundering around the world trying to 'solve' other nations problems or our perception of their problems.

But say in this case someone wanted to go and try to set up a animal shelter there? Would they be doing something unimportant or interfering where they shouldn't?
There is a program( some western humane socety) offering money and assistance to china for a rabies program so that they don't simply resort to mass dog killings. Is this not important?


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wwSwimming
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posted 12 March 2008 11:41 AM      Profile for wwSwimming     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I got the impression from one of the articles that many of the cats are headed for the butcher shop.

I would like to have a chance to pursue this on a small farm. Given that animals are going to be used for food, and killed in the process, isn't it quite possible to make this process cruelty-free ? so that they experience no pain, no panic, just one last meal, that makes them fall asleep, the ingredients worked out with a vet.


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Sineed
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posted 12 March 2008 12:21 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
We do it here too. Our governments, at all levels, associate mice with disease. It's even worse for rats.
Mice carry salmonella and possibly Hanta virus.

As for rats, there's the Black Plague I mentioned in my previous post, that cats helped end.


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scooter
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posted 12 March 2008 03:08 PM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And cat's kill unborn baby's.

They tend to carry a parasite that infects humans and other animals through cat faeces.


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martin dufresne
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posted 12 March 2008 03:15 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scooter, I don't know if you are trying for two offensive comments in one sentence but in mixed company, "unborn babies" are fetuses and a miscarriage is just that, not a murder.
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Sineed
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posted 12 March 2008 03:32 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Scooter may have something:

Cat parasite may affect cultural traits in human populations.

quote:
A common parasite found in cats may be affecting human behavior on a mass scale, according to a scientist based at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

snip

"In populations where this parasite is very common, mass personality modification could result in cultural change," said study author Kevin Lafferty, a USGS scientist at UC Santa Barbara. "The geographic variation in the latent prevalence of Toxoplasma gondii may explain a substantial proportion of human population differences we see in cultural aspects that relate to ego, money, material possessions, work and rules."

snip

Toxoplasma is associated with different, often opposite, behavioral changes in men and women, but both genders exhibit guilt proneness (a form of neuroticism). Lafferty's analysis found that countries with high Toxoplasma prevalence had a higher aggregate neuroticism score, and western nations with high prevalence also scored higher in the 'neurotic' cultural dimensions of 'masculine' sex roles and uncertainty avoidance.



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posted 12 March 2008 09:49 PM      Profile for Maritimesea     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whatever, I think it's disgusting that China is doing this for the sole purpose of giving Beijing its' pre-olympic spit n'shine. God help someone if they fart near an olympic venue.
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scooter
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posted 14 March 2008 08:37 AM      Profile for scooter     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Every major Canadian city has a "secret" facility which kill animals. Here is ours, Calgary's secret animal death camp.
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posted 14 March 2008 08:48 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WTF! Secret animal death camp!!

Please tell me you forgot the sarcasm tags


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Michelle
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posted 14 March 2008 09:09 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by angrymonkey:
I see this type of point pop up in babble and I am always slightly bothered by it. Maybe you can clarify michelle.

Sure, I'd be happy to. I think that it's somewhat xenophobic to focus on what horribly uncivilized things those foreigners way over there do to certain types of animals that we have a social taboo against eating here, while going home to a nice dinner of factory-farmed, tortured-to-death chicken, cow, or pig.


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posted 14 March 2008 09:35 AM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Sure, I'd be happy to. I think that it's somewhat xenophobic to focus on what horribly uncivilized things those foreigners way over there do to certain types of animals that we have a social taboo against eating here, while going home to a nice dinner of factory-farmed, tortured-to-death chicken, cow, or pig.


On the other hand, if we oppose the factory farms and the slaughter houses and do not eat the chicken, cow, or pig, then surely we can extend our opposition to torture of other animals in other places.


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posted 14 March 2008 09:36 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They've eaten cats and dogs in Asia throughout centuries of imperialist rule. Asians have acquired a taste for the meat from those animals, even though they have chicken, beef and other things to eat today. Is it a crime?

"They say you come to Vietnam and understand a lot in a few minutes. The rest has got to be lived." - Tom Fowler, from The Quiet American


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quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
They've eaten cats and dogs in Asia throughout centuries of imperialist rule. Asians have acquired a taste for the meat from those animals, even though they have chicken, beef and other things to eat today. Is it a crime?

"They say you come to Vietnam and understand a lot in a few minutes. The rest has got to be lived." - Tom Fowler, from The Quiet American


Well, actually, at least in Korea (and my source is a Korean group) the benefits (which seem to have a lot to do with male virility) of eating dog meat are supposed to be enhanced in a measure corresponding to the fear and pain involved in the animal's death. So death by prolonged torture is common. Yes, it is a crime. I don't care who does it. The fact that it's traditional doesn't make it ok either. Lots of terrible things are traditional.


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posted 14 March 2008 02:29 PM      Profile for Sineed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently, recipes for rabbit can also be used for cats (I decided not to link to those - google if you must).
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Fidel
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posted 14 March 2008 02:57 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Someone showed me an internet video on how they prepare cats in one of those countries. I must admit it shocked me a little at first. But then I realized that imperialism was a lot more cruel for hundreds of millions of human beings for far too long.

In China, they were born as their mamas worked in rice paddies and died an average of 30 some years later and not very far from where they were born. Chinese lifespans were about doubled in just Mao's time in the sun.


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