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remind
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posted 04 November 2008 09:28 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Continued from here
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posted 04 November 2008 09:29 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm still waiting for the report of the international election observers before I'll accept the result.

Oh, wait, there aren't any international election observers! Only vassal states get to have the conduct of their elections monitored by international observers. With the U.S., it's a given that the electoral process will be fair and democratic.

My bad.


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i just checked a freeper site and i laughed at the comment "Senator Joe McCarthy is rolling in his grave."
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posted 04 November 2008 09:35 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What I found particularily hilarious are the predictions that all the Jews will now be leaving the USA.

The polls in Alaska do not close for 25 more mins, can't wait to see how they vote.

Mspector where did you get the results for the SSM voting?


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Indiana and North Carolina should get called for Obama any minute now.
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posted 04 November 2008 09:50 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SSM ballot initiatives:

Arizona

California

Florida


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posted 04 November 2008 09:59 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you mspector, but this is what I read regarding CA
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The San Fransisco Chronicle is reporting 55 percent voting "yes" on the proposition and 45 percent voting "no," with 11 percent of the precincts reporting. But the paper reports it's still too close to call.

Sucks about AZ and florida.

NC is still not declared even though they are reporting 100% of precincts reporting.


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posted 04 November 2008 10:00 PM      Profile for ElizaQ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
What I found particularily hilarious are the predictions that all the Jews will now be leaving the USA.

The polls in Alaska do not close for 25 more mins, can't wait to see how they vote.

Mspector where did you get the results for the SSM voting?


Yes I'm waiting for those results too. Both for the President and for Stevens.

These votes on SSM are horrible. Bleh...


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posted 04 November 2008 10:04 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Thank you mspector, but this is what I read regarding CA:
That's a 55-45 vote in favour of a ban on SSM. Sounds pretty clear to me.

Update: it's now 53-47 with 25% of the polls in.

[ 04 November 2008: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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The audacity to allow ourselves to have hope that government could be the solution instead of the problem, thats what.

That acceptance speach allowed us to have hope again... its been so long!!

Thank you to the African Americans for electing Barack Obama. For the first time ever, you had a reason to bother voting.


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[QB]What I found particularily hilarious are the predictions that all the Jews will now be leaving the USA.

There's the been a bunch that are pretty hilarious. One thread, though dark did crack me up. It was titled (not exact) Time to start stocking up on guns-please I need help then went on to say 'look we have maybe a six month window before they start banning them all....

The funniest one though was a total agonized one opining, (generalized) "I'm reading all sorts of things about people celebrating all around the world. My God, My God what have these people done who voted in HUSSEIN' The whole world wants us to fail and now they are celebrating that America has finally been brought to it's knees due to it's stupidity...we are dead, totally dead...'


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quote:
Update: it's now 53-47 with 25% of the polls in.

Depends on where the polls are.


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NC is still not declared even though they are reporting 100% of precincts reporting.

Missouri is tightening too, although McCain has pulled into the lead in Montana (not that anyone cares). However if Missouri goes Democratic it will mean that Obama will have won all of the so-called battleground states except Montana, including some that no-one in their wildest dreams would have considered competitive just two months ago.


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I care about Montana.
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Ya-right
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Have been listening to the news reports finally from those covering it, and I was struck by the fact that how important this win was/is for African Americans, has been lost on some of us "white folks" here in Canada. It means that there can now be truly a time for reconcilliation and healing for them.

One can only imagine how how this win will impact FN's in Canada, FN youth had already been identifying with him, and I can hardly wait for the empowerment it will give them and for the day we will have a FN PM.


It seems ABC is no longer updating their web site.


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posted 04 November 2008 10:31 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ElizaQ:
There's the been a bunch that are pretty hilarious.
Ya now they are screaming they are happy the end times are near!

For gawd's the sky is falling because a black President has finally been elected, I don't think they give a shit about "socialism", it is racism pure and simple.


And notice not 1 interview with Palin!!!!

Too bad she did not have to give up her Govenorship!


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posted 04 November 2008 10:40 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
That's a 55-45 vote in favour of a ban on SSM. Sounds pretty clear to me.

Update: it's now 53-47 with 25% of the polls in.

[ 04 November 2008: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


I'm hoping that for some reason the LA and San Francisco polls aren't included in that yet.


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posted 04 November 2008 10:41 PM      Profile for ElizaQ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Ya now they are screaming they are happy the end times are near!

For gawd's the sky is falling because a black President has finally been elected, I don't think they give a shit about "socialism", it is racism pure and simple.


And notice not 1 interview with Palin!!!!

Too bad she did not have to give up her Govenorship!




The ones I have been reading keep calling him a marxist.

Ah well she's Alaska's problem now. I see that Stevens is ahead right now there. Interesting, he's likely going to be tossed out of the Senate anyways.


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[QB]Have been listening to the news reports finally from those covering it, and I was struck by the fact that how important this win was/is for African Americans, has been lost on some of us "white folks" here in Canada. It means that there can now be truly a time for reconcilliation and healing for them.

I don't want to speculate on what exactly it means because I just don't or can't really get it. I can recognize that it has meaning though. People are celebrating in the streets all over the country! Is that normal for a presidential election? It's incredible actually and I'll admit the joy catching.

I was watching a streaming video of some place in NY and saw three women just leaning on each other just bawling while people danced and whooped around them. I lost it myself at that one.

CNN showed the celebration going on in Kenya where Obama's father came from. They're going nutz.


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Missouri has tightened but i don't think it's enough, I think McCain will win it.
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For me, the most astonishing thing about this election is that 47% of the voters voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

After all that's happened in the last 8 years, that has to represent your hard-core, racist, right-wing vote. And that's an awfully big hard-core right-wing element.

The USA is truly fucked up.


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I will be upfront in stating that I voted for McCain. I remain, notwithstanding a result I did not want, profoundly hopeful for our land, and eagerly anticipating the next four to eight years.

Barack Obama has the potential to be a transformational President. Clearly, though the Democrats did not get 60 Senate seats, even one who often votes independently cannot be deaf, dumb and blind to what the American people said. Put simply, the people showed that ours is a country where anyone can do anything, if they have the brains, the drive, and the will.

Our country is truly an amazing land. It is a land made up of people from all nations. Some people came involuntariiy, and are part of the heritage that Barack Obama partially springs from.

Others are descended from people wanting to leave the idiotic culture, ethnic and religious wars. In many respects, the quilt that makes up America is a speaking quilt. To quote Barack Obama's campaign slogans, the quilt says "Yes We Can". What we learned today is that the immigrants whom came here for a merit-dominated rather than religion and ethnicity based experience have prevailed.

A few words about the U.S. Presidency, and the hope that he can achieve gretness. The U.S. President is a combination monarch and Prime Minister. In order to lead successfully, they must be inspiring. They also must make decisions. The best of them, such as George Washrington, Ronald Reagan and Abe Lincoln were both inspiring and decisive. Less successful, but still great Presidents such as Truman made gutsy and courageous decisions, but were not particularly inspiring. George W. Bush fits that category.

We know that Obama is inspiring. It is up to him how to use his considerable oratorical gifts, and charisma, for the country. He will either soar, or fail miserably. I will never root against my country, and hope, despite my voting for McCain, that he meets his promise. I both hope and fear for the future.


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posted 04 November 2008 11:02 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Thanks for proving my point.

[ 04 November 2008: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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quote:
Originally posted by wage zombie:
Missouri has tightened but i don't think it's enough, I think McCain will win it.

Obama only 600 votes down with 99% in.


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posted 04 November 2008 11:14 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Obama won in only 9 out of 114 counties in Missouri.
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Some of those counties have more cows than people.
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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
For me, the most astonishing thing about this election is that 47% of the voters voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

After all that's happened in the last 8 years, that has to represent your hard-core, racist, right-wing vote. And that's an awfully big hard-core right-wing element.

The USA is truly fucked up.


Even this number reflects a vast number of voters with no experience in participating in elections, and evaluating promises vs. likely performance.

I hope, sincerely, Obama hasn't bitten off more than he can chew. If one figures in people who have voted historically it's probably close to a 50-50 popular vote split.


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Anything left other than Jackson County and Christian County?

I think McCain will hold it.


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Funny they have declared Alaska for Mccain but still not NC for Obama, do they not want to show him 200 electoral votes ahead of McCain, or what?

And have you checked out FreeRepublic? They are claimimg McCain and the Repubs ran an honourable campaign and never would again. And of course it is the left wing media's fault. And of course on the Katrina victims who should have been helping themselves as opposed to having their hands out :bigeyes: And that Obama's "people" voted twice, ya right. Idiots I tell ya...


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McCain's strongest state was Oklahoma, where two out of three voters voted for him.
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Well Indianna and NC have both gone Obama and not yet declared, why?
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Obama only 600 votes down with 99% in.

I calculate less than 400.


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Potential for recounts, and absentee ballots.
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quote:
Originally posted by remind:

And have you checked out FreeRepublic? They are claimimg McCain and the Repubs ran an honourable campaign and never would again. And of course it is the left wing media's fault. And of course on the Katrina victims who should have been helping themselves as opposed to having their hands out :bigeyes: And that Obama's "people" voted twice, ya right. Idiots I tell ya...


On one thread a few started to blame Limbaugh for his Operation Chaos which somehow got Obama the nomination of the first place. That when on until other came on were like, "What are you, morons? We need Limbaugh now! Don't be throwing him under a bus..."

Then of course there's the 'We'll make it through..we have Palin...."


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Some advance votes not counted in
Georgia.

Al Franken is trailing but still might pull it off.


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How did Obama beat McCain?

Money and the ethnic vote.


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quote:
Originally posted by wage zombie:
Al Franken is trailing but still might pull it off.

Oh, that's sad! Before I stopped watching last night, he was ahead. Wow, it's so close! Only a 757 vote difference right now!

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Morning in Obamerica, Ishmael Reed
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The great American satirist George Schuyler’s prescient and comic work, Black No More, is about a scientist named Dr. Crookmore who comes up with a formula that turns blacks to white (I wonder how Schuyler would treat the current profitable back- to- Africa DNA hokum). As a result of a country that is totally white, The Civil Rights organizations go out of business, and even the last hold out, the character, based upon the black nationalist Marcus Garvey, in the end, tries some of Dr. Crookmore solution. Would something like this happen were Barack Obama to become president? A country where there exists no social divisions and the issue of race has become defused.

The leader of the NAACP says that the work of the organization will continue even with an Obama victory. Why?Wouldn’t it be better that the NAACP shut its doors as cable’s leading conservative intellectual, Tucker Carlson has suggested?Auction off its assets and join the post race fever? In his ”The New Black Aesthetic, ” (1989,) author Trey Ellis announced the arrival of a generation of African Americans who would place the issue of race in the background unlike we “curmudgeons” and “cranks, ” who came of age in the 1960s and who are still carrying on like those Japanese soldiers who weren’t aware that the war was over. “The New Black Intellectuals” were even praised by Robert Boynton in an essay that appeared in the Atlantic Monthly (March, 1995:53-69. )

To many, Martin Luther King’s dream has been realized. He said, ” I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.” Obviously me and my over sixty pals are still lingering in those crooked places and refusing to process the sunlight that is available to everybody else. (Tavis Smiley is our leader). People like us are going to have to adjust to this post race America which resembles a painting by Edward Hicks. A place where Blacks have reached the Promised Land?



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Obama is trailing by 569 votes in the Nebraska 2nd Congressional District (Omaha). A win there would give him an additional vote in the Electoral College.

Electoral College Results

Also, Al Franken is losing in the Minnesota Senate race by 1,123 votes with nine precincts still to report.

Election Results


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I'm hoping that for some reason the LA and San Francisco polls aren't included in that yet.
Me too Doug, but with Conservative areas like Orange County, I'm not counting on it. I've been listening to the talk, and reading the comments. The USA is a terribly bigoted country.

Oh and Massachusetts passed a ballot initiative making it legal to carry 1 oz of personal marijuana.

MSpector, I totally concur. With this Obama win, the US of A can now pretend it have no race problems.

47 percent for the decrepit man named McCain and his idiotic running mate, Palin. WTF?


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Last night, during McCain's concession speech, when he thanked Sarah Palin for helping him campaign, a bunch of us cheered and yelled out, "Thank-you, Sarah!" My table even drank a toast to Palin.

Thanks so much, Sarah! Heckuva job! You betcha!


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McCain gave a good speech for once. Good thing he didn't get the hang of it until after the polls closed. And it was a huge relief that Palin didn't destroy the respectful tone McCain set by opening her mouth.
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I was really moved by the scenes of celebration last night and by the sight of Jesse Jackson with tears rolling down his face. Obama won't usher in the socialist revolution but that doesn't change the fact that last night was light years from Selma and Mississippi Goddam.
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quote:
Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
McCain gave a good speech for once. Good thing he didn't get the hang of it until after the polls closed. And it was a huge relief that Palin didn't destroy the respectful tone McCain set by opening her mouth.

That was a good speech. Really classy. I said to others in the room last night. Well there is the John McCain that people have been wondering where he went.

Michelle I was at my parents and when that part of the speech came on I cheered and said the exact same thing! "Woooo, you betcha doggone it!" Then I had to explain to my Mom that 'no I wasn't cheering because I liked her'....


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Al Franken is 700 votes behind with 99% of votes counted!
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Last night, during McCain's concession speech, when he thanked Sarah Palin for helping him campaign, a bunch of us cheered and yelled out, "Thank-you, Sarah!" My table even drank a toast to Palin.
Thanks so much, Sarah! Heckuva job! You betcha!



Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.

Penny for your thoughts!


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One thing that I hoped was learned from this election, is that CNN's goal of being a front runner for technology should go down the drain. Holograms? Seriously? This use of technology must have been one of the most bizarre things of the night.

[If you missed it, there is video evidence!]


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posted 05 November 2008 06:46 AM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.




This evokes thoughts of holograms and technology?


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posted 05 November 2008 07:11 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We were all hooting at the holograms. But we were all turned on by the MAGIC MAP! I think I have a secret crush on John King. (Whoops, not so secret anymore!)
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posted 05 November 2008 07:13 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by George Victor:


Yep, Sarah Palin presence, Obama's obviously superior intellect, the collapsed economy, a completely failed Bush administration, etc., etc. etc. ...and it winds up a 52% - 48 % split across a turnout of 131,000,000 voters.

Penny for your thoughts!


Actually, his lead is now 6 points and may grow as the west coast, which always has a heaving mail-in vote, comes in over the next day or two.

I take your point, but consider that it has been very difficult for any Democrat to break 50% over the last 40 years.


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posted 05 November 2008 07:13 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jrose:
One thing that I hoped was learned from this election, is that CNN's goal of being a front runner for technology should go down the drain. Holograms? Seriously? This use of technology must have been one of the most bizarre things of the night.

Wow. That is seriously bizarre. How is it that an allegedly new, cutting-edge technology seem so unabashedly retro? Like a seersucker suit made of radon.

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I loved Andy Barrie's comment on the holograms this morning on Metro Morning (CBC radio Toronto). He said that when he saw the reporter beamed into the studio by hologram, he half-expected her to bend down and say, "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." An article about CNN's magic map.

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Wow. Why I miss CNN. It's about time that the major news networks caught up to the kind of technology James Bond and the MI-6 have had for decades. Or at least for the latest film.
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Well here's a little change that has happened to me since yesterday.

I now can actually watch and listen to GW speak and not twist and turn inside and change the channel. I haven't been able to for quite some time.

He just made a statement, which of course is all rah rah, BS and bunk and hypocritical but it didn't even bug me.

Yeah GW, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.


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posted 05 November 2008 07:41 AM      Profile for jrose     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
I loved Andy Barrie's comment on the holograms this morning on Metro Morning (CBC radio Toronto). He said that when he saw the reporter beamed into the studio by hologram, he half-expected her to bend down and say, "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." An article about CNN's magic map.

[ 05 November 2008: Message edited by: Michelle ]


They actually "beamed" Jessica Yellin in
here. About 48 seconds in, she's not there ... but wait for it ... There she is! It's beyond strange.


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Back on topic. Now that Obama won, what will be the consequences?

I predict.

There will be higher taxes, but it will not be the exclusivity of the so called wealthy. Those in the middle will see a hit on the pocket book.

No medi-care.

NAFTA will remain as is.

Iraq war as is.

Economic turmoil as is.

Manufacturing decline.

He is not the messia that everyone is wishing for. The issues and trouble are bigger than what the man can change.


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posted 05 November 2008 08:49 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Chester Drawers:
I predict.

You predicted McCain would win.


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Now what? Guess we start hearing who the 'team' is going to be. First up, old Clinton guy, NAFTA pusher and Dem Rep. Rahm Emanuel as Chief of Staff

Obama Plans to name Emmanual as Chief of Staff

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In his first major move as president-elect, Barack Obama has asked Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), a tough-minded tactician with West Wing experience, to serve as his White House chief of staff, Democratic sources tell Politico.

Emanuel has said to friends that he wants and will take the job, but it was not a done deal as of early this morning. Obama plans to move swiftly with his transition announcement and could name Emanuel this week, the sources said. He then plans rapid-fire announcements on his economic and national security teams.

If Emanuel — a member of the House Democratic leadership with ambitions to one day to be House speaker — were to turn it down, former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) would likely get the nod, the sources said.

Some Democrats have warned that Emanuel’s take-no-prisoners style could hurt Obama. But the president-elect wants to move fast to push his legislative agenda through the Democratic-controlled Congress — and Emanuel knows the Hill and power politics as well as anyone in town.

“Obama wants a bad cop, so he can be good cop 90 percent of the time,” an adviser said.



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posted 05 November 2008 09:44 AM      Profile for Noah_Scape     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see the conservative minded people are still clinging to their FEAR. Obama said he is "your president too". Stop worrying so much about things that are not real, we have enough actual problems.

As relates to Canada, and our recent election, many of us are now feeling left out, having elected Harper [more or less] and therefore being left without "permission to have some hope" as they now have in America.


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Chavez wastes no time. *poke poke*

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n this day of hope for the American people, President Hugo Chávez, on behalf of the people of Venezuela, congratulates the people of the United States and President-elect Barack Obama for his important victory in an election that has captured the attention of international public opinion.

This historic election of an African American to lead the most powerful country in the world is a sign that the era of change which has taken root in South America could be reaching the doorstep of the United States. From the homeland of Simón Bolívar, we are convinced the time has come to establish new relations between our countries and in our region, based on the principles of respect for sovereignty, equality and true cooperation.

From every corner of the world cries have rung out calling for change in international relations and the construction, as the Liberator Simón Bolívar would have said, of a world of balance, peace and of human coexistence.

The government of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela reaffirms its will and determination to build a constructive bilateral agenda, founded upon the absolute respect of sovereignty, for the well-being of the peoples of Venezuela and the United States.


My favorite line: "This historic election of an African American to lead the most powerful country in the world is a sign that the era of change which has taken root in South America could be reaching the doorstep of the United States."

Made me giggle. Love or hate the guy Chavez is good at the big political digs like this.

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quote:
And have you checked out FreeRepublic?

Scary...really really scary.


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:

One can only imagine how how this win will impact FN's in Canada, FN youth had already been identifying with him, and I can hardly wait for the empowerment it will give them and for the day we will have a FN PM.


If there was representational voting, Fontaine wouldn't be in office, although the upset to Come seems to have increased his effectiveness.

I'd like to see possibly Matthew Coon Come in the PM's chair.

Doubt that's likely to happen though!

And Leonard Pelletier as President

Then it really would be "MY home and NATIVE land"...


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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
I'm still waiting for the report of the international election observers before I'll accept the result.

Oh, wait, there aren't any international election observers!


Polish election observers in US

OSCE/ODIHR observer mission to present assessment of United States elections at press conference on Wednesday

Russian observers to monitor U. S. vote

International Observers Witness U.S. Elections

African Electoral Commissioners Comment After Observing 2008 U.S. Presidential Election


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posted 05 November 2008 10:24 AM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TVParkdale:
I'd like to see possibly Matthew Coon Come in the PM's chair.
Me too actually, I believe he is a wonderful human being, and all Canadians, not just FN's, would be well served to have him as PM.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mojoroad1:
Scary...really really scary.

Yes, and so is our own canadian dark site and IMV, it is going to get really ugly, as follows:

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If Obama is not shot out of office within a year, watch for medicare, unemployment, and universal pension benefits to be created, along with an open southern border policy.

Moreover, I cannot believe that some people actually disagree with medicare, and unemployment and pension benefits! :bigeyes:


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Do notice, in celebration, US Imperial forces (no doubt aided by Canadians) murder at least 40 people at an Afghan wedding party. A glorious start to the Obamanation!

Not so curiously, not one Canadian news source even mentions these murders. Another glorious victory for Imperial lapdogs, but hell, the price of gas fell, so who cares, really.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/world/asia/06afghan.html?hp


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posted 05 November 2008 11:19 AM      Profile for Mojoroad1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by remind:

Moreover, I cannot believe that some people actually disagree with medicare, and unemployment and pension benefits! :bigeyes:


Socialism! They all scream in unison..as they cock their semi-automatics....


And yeah, The Freeper site (and it's Canadian ilk) are down right ugly. Occasionally, now and then, I jump over to them to see what the troglodytes are thinking...know thy enemy and all that.


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quote:

Not so curiously, not one Canadian news source even mentions these murders. Another glorious victory for Imperial lapdogs, but hell, the price of gas fell, so who cares, really.



My issue of the Globe and Mail carried a quarter-page spread complete with pix of a kid on a bed with IV line in his arm. "They said the bodies of at least 36 women have been identified, and hundreds more men and women have been injured. Local leaders have yet to establish a firm casualty count because many of the victims remain buried beneath the rubble..."

"The bombing wasn't the end of the ordeal, witnesses said. When the air strikes were over, they said, international troops arrives in three sand-coloured armoured vehicles.

"Villagers reported they were intimidated and prvented from leaving to seek medical treatment while the (unidentified in this story) soldiers took pictures."

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And that nasty new U.S.president who did this obviously couldn't wait until he takes office in the new year.


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posted 05 November 2008 11:28 AM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It will be even worse for the Afghans once O-bomb-a gets his hands on the military-industrial complex.
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quote:
Originally posted by Noah_Scape:
I see the conservative minded people are still clinging to their FEAR.

Some of them seem to fully expect they'll be marched off to mosque at gunpoint the first Friday after the inauguration.


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Last night, during McCain's concession speech, when he thanked Sarah Palin for helping him campaign, a bunch of us cheered and yelled out, "Thank-you, Sarah!" My table even drank a toast to Palin.

Thanks so much, Sarah! Heckuva job! You betcha!


There is little, besides good looks, that I agree with Sarah Palin on. She supports hunting wolves from helicopters, which is akin to killing a person by hanging them from their fingernails until they die from exposure.

Unfortunately we should not be laughing. I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.


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I predict she will crawl back into a cave in Alaska and never be a player again in the big leagues. She was a bad gamble that lost the election I don't see her ever convincing 50% of American voters that she would make a good President. However if she did manage to win the Republican nomination in 2012 Obama would likely consider it a gift.


Exit Polls show Palin was a drag on campaign

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GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin didn't do well in exit polls. Sixty percent of those polled said the Alaska governor is not qualified to be president, if necessary; 38 percent said she is. That compares with the two-thirds of those polled who said Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden is qualified to be president and the 31 percent who said he isn't.

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nycndp: I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.
Some would burn her at the stake - and, so doing, whitewash the Repugs - to make sure you are wrong.

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quote:
Originally posted by nycndp:
Unfortunately we should not be laughing. I am making a prediction, now, that she will be elected in 2012.

Nope, there is no way the Repubs are going to allow the religious fundamentalists to have any sway, they are going to dump them big time.


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I predict she will crawl back into a cave in Alaska and never be a player again in the big leagues.

I don't see her doing either this or running for high electoral office again. She does have a constituancy, and I see her becoming a darling of right wing talk shows, doing the rounds as guest speaker at places like the Crystal Cathedral, and ending up as a well paid talking head on Fox.


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Watch and see what happens when Ted Stevens is forced to resign his senate seat and a special election is called to replace him. Spending some time as a U.S. Senator would certainly bolster Palin's resume.

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quote:
Originally posted by oldgoat:

I don't see her doing either this or running for high electoral office again. She does have a constituancy, and I see her becoming a darling of right wing talk shows, doing the rounds as guest speaker at places like the Crystal Cathedral, and ending up as a well paid talking head on Fox.


Oldgoat it is just disturbing to think of her as a commentator but I think you might be right on the money about that. She could be the next Rachel Marsden.

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Yeah i agree, she will be a rock star fund raiser for the theo cons. And, if Stevens wins but is barred from the Senate, the seat would be hers if she wants it. I don't think she will though--she'll get more out of being a movement builder than a senator.

Remind the fundamentalists are still a big part of the Republican party. The Democrats keep taking House and Senate seats but very few of these are in the reddest districts--so the party moves right with every election loss.

Many republicans think they lost because of McCain, and in spite of Palin. He will be alienated, she will not.


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I fell asleep early last night, did I miss anything?
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quote:
Originally posted by wage zombie:
Yeah i agree, she will be a rock star fund raiser for the theo cons. And, if Stevens wins but is barred from the Senate, the seat would be hers if she wants it. I don't think she will though--she'll get more out of being a movement builder than a senator.

Remind the fundamentalists are still a big part of the Republican party. The Democrats keep taking House and Senate seats but very few of these are in the reddest districts--so the party moves right with every election loss.

Many republicans think they lost because of McCain, and in spite of Palin. He will be alienated, she will not.


Mmmm, I don't know about that, I think centerist Repugs want the fundamentalists and other whack jobs gone, and from what I have been reading around the net world, there is currently a very pointed discussions going on about this. Howevr, I am going to speak with a Republican friend of mine on Long Island later this week to see what his take is on it all, and what is going on behind the public musings.


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The "centrist" Repubs would like them quiet and complacent, not gone. The problem is that the nutjobs donate their time and money much more than anyone else. They're the base of the party and the Republicans can't win without them.

The GOP has a lot to sort out and i don't think they'll be competitive for a while.


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quote:
Originally posted by wage zombie:
The "centrist" Repubs would like them quiet and complacent, not gone. The problem is that the nutjobs donate their time and money much more than anyone else. They're the base of the party and the Republicans can't win without them.

The GOP has a lot to sort out and i don't think they'll be competitive for a while.


You believe they are the base of the party in what way? I have thought as much too, however, I was told not so by my republican friend, who believes they have highjacked his party.


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Well sure. Once you highjack a party, you become the base.

Palin outdrew McCain in their rallies. Nobody's interested in hearing John McCain talk. Nobody's interested in hearing Romney or Giuliani talk. Rudy could get by on 911 for a while but at this point they're just suits putting forth a neo con agenda. Some interests will certainly fund those politicians, but all they're doing is spouting the party line.

The base are the people voting. None of the nutjobs held their noses and voted Obama--those were the moderates.


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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
For me, the most astonishing thing about this election is that 47% of the voters voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

After all that's happened in the last 8 years, that has to represent your hard-core, racist, right-wing vote. And that's an awfully big hard-core right-wing element.

The USA is truly fucked up.


I'm guessing that the uncovering of election fraud will ultimately show McCain's popular vote less than that.


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Also interesting is the fact that more than one in three registered voters did not vote in this "historic" election.
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Pogge I was being sarcastic about McCain winning. Everyone knew BO was going to win.
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quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
I fell asleep early last night, did I miss anything?

Other than Bob Barr carrying 45 states, no, you didn't.


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MSpector, Palast figures something like 10 million formerly registered voters were deprived of their vote, which most certainly changes the figures that you state, which by the way came from where?

There is also millions of provisional and abscentee ballots still floating around out there that have not yet been counted.

Plus wasn't there something like 118 million voters who voted yesterday? That is over 1/3 of the population of the USA which is 299 million. And 31% of the population is not old enough to vote, and about 11% are foreign nationals that cannot vote. So I find your numbers a bit confusing and off.

Also, what I find interesting is that there were 9 million more newly registered voters who have never voted before and who could have, and who did vote.

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In the US, from what I have read, party affiliation is commonly a part of family tradition.

Red states are Red often because it's traditional to vote GOP in those areas.

US politics is thus mostly about getting the squishy middle.

Anyway, the not-insane guy won


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:
[QB]MSpector, Palast figures something like 10 million formerly registered voters were deprived of their vote, which most certainly changes the figures that you state, which by the way came from where?

There is also millions of provisional and abscentee ballots still floating around out there that have not yet been counted.

Plus wasn't there something like 118 million voters who voted yesterday? That is over 1/3 of the population of the USA which is 299 million. And 31% of the population is not old enough to vote, and about 11% are foreign nationals that cannot vote. So I find your numbers a bit confusing and off.


I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years.

Some analysis here:
538


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quote:
Originally posted by djelimon:
In the US, from what I have read, party affiliation is commonly a part of family tradition.

And that's different from Canada?


quote:
Anyway, the not-insane guy won

George Papoon in 2008!



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quote:
Originally posted by ElizaQ:
I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years.

Well, it would have to be the highest ever then, as there were only 88,710,000 people in the USA in 1908. Population did not reach 136 million until 1943.

I know I know you mean % of the population eligible to vote.


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quote:
Originally posted by remind:

Well, it would have to be the highest ever then, as there were only 88,710,000 people in the USA in 1908. Population did not reach 136 million until 1943.

I know I know you mean % of the population eligible to vote.


Yeah I realized that after I posted.

One of the stations I was watching last night was out of Michigan and every half hour it cut to local coverage. They were talking about the turnout in some of the precincts as the numbers were coming in and said that quite a few were showing 80%+ turnout of registered voters. Then one of the anchors paused as she was reading,looked surprised and said off script "Is this true? Wow" She then said at least a couple were reporting near 100% turnout.


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The final figures are not yet in, but the media are reporting anticipated turnout figures of around 63-64%.

Which is less than 2 out of 3.


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quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
The final figures are not yet in, but the media are reporting anticipated turnout figures of around 63-64%.

Which is less than 2 out of 3.


No Canadian has the right to get critical about that anymore.


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I'm not criticizing.
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quote:
Originally posted by ElizaQ:

I just read that when all of the ballots are finally tallied the number is more likely to be closer to 136 million and potentially the highest number of votes ever but so far the highest in close in 100 years.

Some analysis here:
538


Likely to be much less than that, probably 128 million. Due to a drop in the Republican turnout. Highest percentage turnout since 1968.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/11/06/voter-turnout-rate-not-as-high-as-in-68/


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Chavez to Obama: Focus on humanitarianism

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“Obama should make a swing toward humanitarianism, toward respectful treatment of the rest of the world,” said President Chavez in his first public comments on Obama's US election victory Tuesday.

He stated that the US should begin reforms from inside and it is only then that America could become a great country.

“I wish the new US government would keep abreast of the desires of the world and its own people. The US administration should focus first and foremost on internal US matters,” Chavez said.



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quote:
and that's different from Canada?

I think so, because there's a lot less entrenchment in political turf. Were it otherwise, Ontario wouldn't be a battleground. Quebec wouldn't be one either. It's a matter of degree.


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