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Gir Draxon
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posted 18 November 2004 05:40 PM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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People think they can all be pop stars, high court judges, brilliant TV personalities or infinitely more competent heads of state without ever putting in the necessary work or having natural ability. This is the result of social utopianism which believes humanity can be genetically and socially engineered to contradict the lessons of history

Prince's blast at people who get above their station

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Fidel
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posted 18 November 2004 07:25 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And few would know more about social engineering and inbreeding in order to hang on to wealth and power than the blue bloods themselves. The Habsburg-Hanoverian-Windsor-Mountbatten families have hidden their genetic baggage from the public well throughout their parasitic existence. Insanity runs in the family. The Prince has been known to talk to his flowers, you know. Bloody daft bugger, if you ask me.

[ 18 November 2004: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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exiled armadillo
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posted 18 November 2004 07:35 PM      Profile for exiled armadillo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, but considering that half of them are born from extra-marital affairs if paternity were tested they'd be in with us peasants.
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Fidel
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posted 18 November 2004 07:41 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by exiled armadillo:
Yes, but considering that half of them are born from extra-marital affairs if paternity were tested they'd be in with us peasants.

Yes-yes, they've certainly contributed to illegitmacy accross Europe. ha ha How noble. Cut from a different cloth than the rest of us, for sure.


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posted 18 November 2004 07:53 PM      Profile for exiled armadillo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, reasonably if they are a bunch of bastards (half of them at least) then they are reaching above their stations just as Prince Chuckles accuses others of doing. whadda Jerk.
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jeff house
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posted 18 November 2004 07:56 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If all of your attainments come from being granted a hereditary position, it is easier to be against effort and meritorious striving.

The nerve of you peasants!


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posted 18 November 2004 08:00 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by exiled armadillo:
Well, reasonably if they are a bunch of bastards (half of them at least) then they are reaching above their stations just as Prince Chuckles accuses others of doing. whadda Jerk.

And their upper class inbreeding shines through when all they wanna do is chase foxes with their sonofabitch dogs. They should all be made to have real jobs. Bloody 'ell.

[ 18 November 2004: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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posted 19 November 2004 08:58 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
new labour's education secretary, charles clarke, is frequently referred to in the press as a "political bruiser," i.e. he gives as good as he gets.

clarke's take on the prince's comments?

quote:
"To be quite frank I think he is very old-fashioned and out of time and he doesn’t understand what is going on in the British education system at the moment. I think that he should think carefully before intervening in that debate.

"We can’t all be born to be king but we can all have a position where we can really aspire for ourselves and for our families to do the very best they possibly can."



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posted 19 November 2004 10:41 AM      Profile for FakeDesignerWatch   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
More reasons to hate the man:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/monarchy/story/0,2763,1354812,00.html

And how to laugh at the man:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1354647,00.html


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Hinterland
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posted 19 November 2004 11:12 AM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, dear. And just when I thought the Tampon-King couldn't get any more irrelevant.
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posted 19 November 2004 03:17 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by FakeDesignerWatch:
And how to laugh at the man:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoons/stevebell/0,7371,1354647,00.html

Ha! Just before I read that I was thinking what a pity it is they don't execute British royalty anymore.

Give me Queen Adrienne of Clarkson over him any day.


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Jimmy Brogan
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posted 19 November 2004 03:28 PM      Profile for Jimmy Brogan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a give-away!
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Bacchus
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posted 19 November 2004 04:16 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hate to say this but you can interpret his rant as correct. Many people do think they can do things without ever having 'put their time in'. Become a certain profession or skill without ever learning it or having a natural gift for it. It doesnt necessarily mean a class thing
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MacD
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posted 19 November 2004 04:56 PM      Profile for MacD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The memo was written by the prince in response to a suggestion by Ms Day that personal assistants with university degrees should be given the opportunity to train to become private secretaries, the hearing was told.

How dare a university graduate even imagine that they might someday be promoted above the level of gopher!!

Charles himself undoubtedly worked quite hard at BEING BORN, thereby qualifying him to be head of state.


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exiled armadillo
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posted 19 November 2004 05:03 PM      Profile for exiled armadillo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I hate to say this but you can interpret his rant as correct... Become a certain profession or skill without ever learning it or having a natural gift for it.

If you are qualified you should be able to do it. Plain and simple. If you have the skills. I think most university graduates have had to demonstrate a certain level of knowledge and skill.

What his statement implies to me is that he/she/it are white trash peasants and I don't care if they do have a degree from a recognized university, they will never have the class to be more than that and they shouldn't have the audacity to try.


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posted 19 November 2004 05:10 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think we've all seen some of the "New Thinking" stuff that floats around on infomercials, and in self-help books by the likes of Napolean Hill, Tony Robbins, Earl Nightengale, Norman Vincent Peale, etc. Such books advocate that if one changes ones thinking, one can become what one wishes. What's missing from the sales pitch is that one also has to do the work to get there.

While I believe there is some truth in this, what they often use to sell their wares is the promise of wealth: change your thinking, and grow wealthy.

If the Prince isn't annoyed by this, I will say that I am.


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Hinterland
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posted 19 November 2004 05:13 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't think that's what Charles was talking about. Then again, he himself probably didn't know what he was taking about, he's so unconscious and mediocre.
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posted 19 November 2004 05:15 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hinterland:
I don't think that's what Charles was talking about. Then again, he himself probably didn't know what he was taking about, he's so unconscious and mediocre.

That's why I plugged in my own mini-rant.


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posted 19 November 2004 05:15 PM      Profile for exiled armadillo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think he was responding to some uppity female who was reaching beyond her place in life to what is traditionally a man's role in England society. And that's even more insulting.
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Cueball
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posted 20 November 2004 12:07 AM      Profile for Cueball   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some peoples children....
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Michelle
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posted 20 November 2004 09:16 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
I hate to say this but you can interpret his rant as correct. Many people do think they can do things without ever having 'put their time in'. Become a certain profession or skill without ever learning it or having a natural gift for it. It doesnt necessarily mean a class thing

She wasn't asking to be promoted to something she was unqualified for. She asked for continuing education on the job (something most companies do as a matter of course) so that she could progress and BECOME qualified for more. She was willing to work for it. This is something most employers consider admirable if they're not throwbacks to some Dickensian wet dream. Prince Charles is an ass. "The Tampon King" is just right.

Just another reason to GET RID OF THE MONARCHY! This asshole certainly doesn't represent me, nor does the rest of his inbred, snotty, vile family.

quote:
What his statement implies to me is that he/she/it are white trash peasants and I don't care if they do have a degree from a recognized university, they will never have the class to be more than that and they shouldn't have the audacity to try.

I agree with this completely except for one thing: the woman in question isn't white, if the picture accompanying the article is her. Which makes me wonder whether this was another factor in Prince Asshole's estimation of her "natural gift" for advancing in her career.

[ 20 November 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 20 November 2004 02:09 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
I hate to say this but you can interpret his rant as correct. Many people do think they can do things without ever having 'put their time in'. Become a certain profession or skill without ever learning it or having a natural gift for it. It doesnt necessarily mean a class thing

The arrogant part is the fact that this comes from Prince Charles, a man who has never had to work for anything in his life and has his position due to an accident of birth rather than talent or merit. That he explicitly said that people these days think anyone can be a high court judge or "King of England" makes it clear he's really talking not of the need for hard work and merit but protecting the privleges of class and inheritance.

I loved the Globe and Mail article that followed Charles statement bemoaning "genetic engineering" in schools with "said the genetically engineered Prince of Wales."


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posted 20 November 2004 02:32 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
His children are even more highly genetically engineered. As I recall, Philip's main reason for approving of Diana as a bride was that she would "breed some height into the line" -- which, beyond doubt, she did, poor thing.

Och, the Scotsman: they sure can tell a story, eh?

I have some sympathy for Bacchus's and pax's readings. The frame of the story is more sensational than the memo itself. I don't think that Charles is mindless at all, or without accomplishment. Yes, he inherited all his opportunities, but he has done something with them, particularly on his farm. Oddly enough, he is probably more New Age-y than any education secretary ever has been.


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posted 20 November 2004 06:36 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't expect anything out of royals except debauchery and the occasional dirty scandal. Seems like Charles can't even deliver that anymore, he's so smug. Useless. Just send the damn crown on down to Harry.
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