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redlion
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posted 16 April 2005 01:22 PM      Profile for redlion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The neocon line is that everything is just hunky-dorey with Wallmart. Sure, we are losing our jobs, but the poor are benefiting by all those low prices. You should know right now, "there ain't no sech thang as a free lunch" and be very suspicious.

Cheap TVs, sound systems and appliances are a cover for increased expenses elsewhere. While UNNECESSARY consumer goods have truly gone down in price, certain NECESSITIES have shot up in cost. Couple this with stagnation of incomes among working people and a decline in incomes among the poor and the cheap consumer goods are no bargain.

Two essential aspects of living, housing and transportation have gone up in cost a much greater extent than either the rate of inflation or increase in income. In some Canadian cities, rents and house prices are ten to twelve times what they were 35-40 years ago. At the same time, the minimum wage and welfare have gone up only six or seven times. In the USA, housing costs, adjusted for inflation, rose 42% between 1970 and 1996. During the same period, worker income stagnated, and for families with parents under age 35, actually declined. Americans who made less than $20,000 US in 1997 spent 52% of their income on transportation and housing. (1)

Back in the 1960's a bus ticket cost 20 cents. Same ticket today is $2.50 or twelve and a half times. If the minimum wage had shot up to the same extent it would be $14 an hour! In the US the percent of family income devoted to transportation has doubled since the late 1930's. Looked at in dollar terms, a family making $40,000 US has to shell out $7600 for transportation. if the proportions were the same as in 1939, they would have $3800 extra to spend on other things. (2)

Back in the days when housing and transportation were relatively cheap, consumer durables, were, for the most part, relatively expensive. But no one went without. Everyone had a fridge, stove, and TV. If they couldn't afford new stuff, they bought them second hand. You could always pick up a fridge or TV for 25 bucks at the SallyAnn. NO ONE HAS EVER SUFFERED BY NOT HAVING THE LATEST TV OR FRIDGE. But, people who have to shell out 50 or 60% of their income for rent DO suffer.

Many consumer durables, adjusted for inflation, cost about half what they did in the 1960's. Had the same cost decline happened with housing and transportation, you would have no trouble buying a house in Vancouver for $70,000 or renting a two bedroom apartment for $400 a month. (3) A bus ticket would cost only 60 cents.

Wallmart’s "inexpensive" consumer goods are an example of capitalism's bad priorities. The important things, basic human necessities, are poorly met. In exchange, we get a lot of cheap, badly-made, job-killing imports. It's a lousy trade-off. (4)
http://porkupineblog.blogspot.com/

1. Segal, Jerome, "Graceful Simplicity", p. 46
2. ibid, pps. 53, 54
3. Actual prices are approximately $400,000 and $1200
4. The situation is even worse than I portray here. Many government services that were once free now cost, taxes for working people doubled as the government off-loaded them on workers as a means of lowering corporate taxes, it costs twelve and a half times more to mail a letter than 1968.


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posted 16 April 2005 01:40 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good points all. But Wal-Mart is now living on borrowed time thanks to peak oil. I would strongly suspect that they are throwing all the gears right now to maintain their price levels in the face of spiraling gasoline costs which affect their supply lines. But they can't dance like that forever and they are very very vulnerable to rising energy costs because of the hyperextended supply lines.

For decades the Bernays-like entreaties to the modern N. American consumer have burrowed into our subconscious. But the newest, the best and keep up with the Jonses. Now the chickens are coming home to roost.

My washer and dryer are 20 years old each. I will use them until they die. Because I have been to the landfill and seen the wreckage of our consumer culture - they are filled with appliances - many not even 10 years old. In many cases, they were built to fail - planned obsolescence which isn't mentioned in your aricle. But nevertheless, it has mightily conrtributed to the problems of managing our trash and wasting resources. Its true - the older stuff was built to last. I still find people using ovens and stoves from the 1950s - properly maintained they may operate forever. Now they look "retro" and people think them stylish!


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posted 16 April 2005 01:46 PM      Profile for Stephen Gordon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't understand how the high cost of housing in Vancouver is Wal-Mart's fault.
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posted 16 April 2005 01:49 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mother says that the snowsuit I wore as a tot was used by 22 children. Try that with Walmart clothing.
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posted 16 April 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I *hate* WALmart but I think they sell Levi's, and Levi's last forever.
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posted 16 April 2005 02:22 PM      Profile for ReeferMadness     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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I don't understand how the high cost of housing in Vancouver is Wal-Mart's fault.

Wal-Mart may not have direct accountability for the high cost of housing but it certainly has a lot to do with the low cost of labour. And that is why people can't afford the high cost of housing.


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posted 16 April 2005 03:49 PM      Profile for Dex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ReeferMadness:
Wal-Mart may not have direct accountability for the high cost of housing but it certainly has a lot to do with the low cost of labour. And that is why people can't afford the high cost of housing.
Psst, if people couldn't actually afford the high cost of housing, the prices would drop. That's why prices vary so widely for similar housing as you move from city to city or even neighborhood to neighborhood. Besides, if you're paying less money for groceries and houselhold goods, it frees up MORE money to be spent on housing.

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posted 16 April 2005 04:09 PM      Profile for Dex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by redlion:
Two essential aspects of living, housing and transportation have gone up in cost a much greater extent than either the rate of inflation or increase in income. In some Canadian cities, rents and house prices are ten to twelve times what they were 35-40 years ago. At the same time, the minimum wage and welfare have gone up only six or seven times. In the USA, housing costs, adjusted for inflation, rose 42% between 1970 and 1996. During the same period, worker income stagnated, and for families with parents under age 35, actually declined. Americans who made less than $20,000 US in 1997 spent 52% of their income on transportation and housing.
This could actually be interpreted in a completely different way. Unlike the other costs that you talk about, the cost of food has stayed very low over the past decades. Although people do tend to spend more money on food as their incomes increase, this increase pales in comparison to the purchase of SUVs and bigger-than-necessary homes. Couple that with the fact that people today have way more disposable income. It's not so much that the 'cost' of housing and transportation has gone up, it's that people are buying vehicles and houses that have far more frills than people did decades ago. The typical family home in the 30s would have had one, maybe two bathrooms. A one bathroom home today is almost an oddity, many have 3 or more. In the 30s, a lot of people didn't have fridges or air conditioning, let alone cable TV, phones, internet access, computers, dishwashers, electric washers and dryers. Almost every one of today's cars comes with the following STANDARD equipment: stereo, A/C, power steering, seat belts, air bags, power brakes, emission controls, electric start, fuel injection. I could go on and on, but I hope you get the point, which is that pretty much none of these options existed in the 30s and yet our standard of living has increased so dramatically that we consider these to be bare necessities and not luxuries.

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posted 16 April 2005 04:50 PM      Profile for Amy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd just have to say that in the case of seat belts, air bags, and power steering and brakes, I'm quite postitivwe I'd be dead or severely injured without them. Not being able to work is much more expensive in the long run than having been using a car with those options. Emissions controls and certain other optios cut down on other kinds of concumption (ie: fuel).

While it's true that not all of lifes' changes in NA have been ones that make sense, I'd have to say that fridges, for example, help me take full adgantage of my grocery budget by long-term storage of produce. I think that most people don't regard air conditioning in houses (or CD players in cars) as necessities. In some neighborhoods, that's the case, but in the two places that I live a lot of people don't have many of the things on that list. Keep in mind that many of these automatic appliances were invented to 'minimize' the time spent doing chores in the household. It's not really a conscious choice, but many people that I know, end up not being able to spend that extra time doing social activities, they end up having to get another job to pay the bills- rent (it's high here) and hydro are the two you can't really go without here. I mean, providing they want to eat something other than spagetti or ichiban every night.

I don't understand why the housing prices are so high in this city, as the people who don't have secure jobs with beneifts are typically working in the service industry and are making 8-10$ an hour and can't get more than 30 hours a week. Most people I know spend 1/2-2/3s of their cheque on rent and hydro, and granted I don't know a cross section of the population, but it's quite atrocious that WalMart type places spout off about how much good they're doign for their 'associates'. Just because a majority of city residents can afford the rent doesn't mean the minority should have to suffer.


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posted 16 April 2005 06:30 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You wouldn't be dead from that if you didn't need a car to get to work - the fact that it should be needed in a city such as Victoria is a testimonial to absurdly bad town planning.
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posted 16 April 2005 07:06 PM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
You wouldn't be dead from that if you didn't need a car to get to work - the fact that it should be needed in a city such as Victoria is a testimonial to absurdly bad town planning.

I'll second that emotion! Victoria's public transportation is woefully inadequate.

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Oh, i meant not being able to work as a result from being severely injured in a car accident. The worst accident that I was in happened on a highway near Nelson, and without that safety gear, I'd surely be out of commision. I don't drive in Victoria (or any coty for that matter), although sometimes I wish I did; biking in this city can be sketchy, and bussing, as you both pointed out, is terrible.

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quote:
Originally posted by Cougyr:
My mother says that the snowsuit I wore as a tot was used by 22 children. Try that with Walmart clothing.


The snowsuit you buy at Walmart was made by 22 children. Same difference.


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posted 16 April 2005 11:13 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lagatta:
You wouldn't be dead from that if you didn't need a car to get to work - the fact that it should be needed in a city such as Victoria is a testimonial to absurdly bad town planning.

The horse and buggy era had its accidents, and polution. But, you are right that cities need better planning. Much of the bad planning comes from automobiles, which enable people to live outside the cities and pay their taxes in the suburbs. North American cities are chronically poor because of this. Hordes of people work in the cities, but don't pay their taxes there. In order to woo the suburban customer, Walmart and other big box stores locate outside the cities and the problem gets worse. The only thing that will reverse this is really expensive gas.


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posted 17 April 2005 12:43 AM      Profile for redlion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OC sez, "I don't understand how the high cost of housing in Vancouver is Wal-Mart's fault."

Are you playing at being naive, or just simple-minded? I hoped readers would have enough smarts to realize that Walmart is being used here as a symbol of the worst sort of consumerist corporate capitalism.


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posted 17 April 2005 12:46 AM      Profile for redlion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dexidrine sez,"Psst, if people couldn't actually afford the high cost of housing, the prices would drop."

Back of the class Dexi, you miss the point. People are still buying and renting, but paying far more as a % of income than they once did.That is the point!


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posted 17 April 2005 12:55 AM      Profile for redlion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dex also sez, "It's not so much that the 'cost' of housing and transportation has gone up, it's that people are buying vehicles and houses that have far more frills than people did decades ago."

This is also part of the problem. There are fewer simple products. I am sure there would be a market for a modern, safe, and inexpensive vehical, but they aren't being made. So too inexpensive, no frills housing. But all of this misses the point. Why should a house built in 1950, selling for $10,000 in 1965 now sell for $400,000, if "extras" were the cause of high prices?


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posted 17 April 2005 05:08 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, the one thing that has gotten cheaper over time, if you look at it in a funny way, is gasoline. Back in the 1950s and 1960s when gas cost about 20 cents a gallon, and minimum wage was about 50 cents an hour it took about a third of an hour's worth of work to buy a gallon of gas.

Then if you go to the 1970s, it started to take an hour's worth of work to buy a gallon of gas, but from the 1980s to 2000 or so, the minimum wage came up enough that it only took a quarter of an hour's work or less to buy a gallon of gas. Today it's still only about half an hour's worth of work to buy a gallon of gas.

This sort of thing is why even though gas prices are high compared to, say, 5 years ago, they ain't breaking the bank yet because in terms of 1970s levels we're still ahead. For gas to cost an hour's worth of work for each gallon the price would need to double again.


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posted 17 April 2005 08:47 PM      Profile for Dex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by redlion:
...Dexi, you miss the point. People are still buying and renting, but paying far more as a % of income than they once did.That is the point!

... There are fewer simple products. I am sure there would be a market for a modern, safe, and inexpensive vehical, but they aren't being made. So too inexpensive, no frills housing. But all of this misses the point. Why should a house built in 1950, selling for $10,000 in 1965 now sell for $400,000, if "extras" were the cause of high prices?[/QB]


Well, extras are part of the reason. The other reason is that houses in prime areas get bid higher because so many people want to live there (and, incidentally, have the money to do so). Head out to rural areas of the prairies and you can pick up a house for ~$50k.

Why does it bother you what percentage of income people are spending on transportation or housing?
Does that show that there are more poor people today? Because there really aren't. Does it show that our standard of living has dropped? Because it really hasn't. If people don't spend money on housing and transportation, where would you rather see it spent? Food? Recreation? What is your optimal 'mix' of spending?

So, um, I guess the moral of the story is that Wal*Mart should start building houses and cars?

Sincerely,
Dextramethorphan, avid fan of Dexy's Midnight Runners


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posted 17 April 2005 08:51 PM      Profile for Dex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Amy,
I agree with your points about safety options and emissions controls. I wasn't making a value judgment of each additional option. My point was to offer a posisble alternate explanation as to why a greater percentage of people's income is spent on things like housing and transportation.

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Dex, what you treat as free choice or market forces is actually the result of actions taken by governments and corporations. This is, however, a subject to lengthy to deal with here, and I feel the necessity to reiterate the point of my posting which was that capitalism, in its present form at least, is doing a poor job of providing certain basic necessities, such as housing and transportation. When you have a great many people shelling out more than 50% of their incomes for these you do have a form of relative impoverishment. You ask what I think they should spend their money on. That is not up to me, but having more discretionary income means greater independence. If there was a lot of inexpensive housing and transportation, people need not work as much, or could pay off a mortgage quicker etc. which means greater freedom.
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and coming soon to a wal-mart near you- the next wave of wallyworld mcworkers
"We need everybody," Volpe said in Edmonton, where he was meeting with Mayor Stephen Mandel and attending a citizenship ceremony. "It's a function of a booming economy."

Additional resources will be put into immigrant application processing, fast-tracking the admission of about 110,000 wage earners, Volpe said. The action will cut a backlog of immigration cases by 25 per cent, he predicted in an interview.

"We have to turn ourselves from a risk-management system into a recruitment system. We have to rethink how we do business and attract people."

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and i'm not against immigration , but i 'm very much against allowing industry to continue recruiting offshore victims of companies who's profits are at record levels while workers' take home pay places them at sub-poverty levels


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quote:
Originally posted by Dex:
Besides, if you're paying less money for groceries and houselhold goods, it frees up MORE money to be spent on housing.

So instead of your money going to farmers, it goes to the bankers in interest payments.


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quote:
Originally posted by BleedingHeart:
So instead of your money going to farmers, it goes to the bankers in interest payments.
Right, because (1) nobody buys groceries or household goods on their credit cards on which they make interest payments; (2) farmers are the only ones involved in producing groceries and household goods; (3) banks are the only ones involved in building, maintaining, and upgrading housing; and (4) every single home owner in Canada carries a mortgage.

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I was fired on Thursday night from Sam's Club Canada. I now have a free weekend for the first time in almost two years (with the exception of sick weekends). They claimed my attendance record was very flawed, having 23 lates/absenses since March. The lates were often insignificant at about six to eight minutes. The absenses were either approved or unapproved. Now the thing is, when I talk to a manager and tell them I'm not coming in, they don't tell me whether they will approve an absense, so is it really my fault?

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These are some possible [alternate] reasons for my termination, after two years of extremely loyal service:
  • My wages were getting too high. I was soon to start on $11.50 an hour while a new cash associate makes $9.50 (the low wage argument against Wal-Mart never had any merit in my mind).
  • They were afraid of the fact that I speak out for what I believe in and I have a history of disseminating my ideas about the company. In fact, three days before I was terminated, an associate heard me talking about what I would change and I was called into the manager's office and was asked what the ideas were. They were calm with me but when I said I would be back with more thoughts, I think they were a little indimidated.
  • Our store has a long history of fear of unions. I remember once reading a store memo that stated they learned of union workers distributing cards on a specified day. I remember one line clearly: "If you are afraid to walk out to your car, a manager will be happy to assist you," or something to that effect.
  • I was clearly becoming disillusioned with the company (as well as the store, as when I told people repeatedly we have no selection and certain aspects of our member service is terrible). I also said many times I would rather shop at Costco. Everyone agreed with me, so I doubt that anyone reported anything.
  • I one found a union card under some DVDs in the electronics area. I told an electronics associate and I told him I was thinking of calling, just to see what they could do to overturn the hypocracy the store has become in recent months. The associate demanded the card and reported it to a manager. Whether or not my name was mentioned, I am still unsure.
  • Recently I bought a digital camera that was marked down significantly. Although I am not allowed to buy it, I sent in my mother to purchase it for me because I needed it urgently. My thinking was that they could control me, but they have no justification to control the shopping habits of my mother.
  • I knew something was coming. With every late of two to three minutes, I would receieve a warning from my manager. The warning, though, was for a third coaching (a written warning). My first two coachings were for lateness. Three coachings lead to something called "decision making day," when you could be fired or you could be sent home to write an essay on why they should keep you. I also knew something was wrong when my manager stopped saying hi to me, odd considering that I have known her for almost two years. Others agree she is continuously growing more hostile and conservative in the face of her usually loyal employees.

    I know a temporary associate who was almost let go for no justification. Only when she asked a superior manager to look up her file did they decide to keep her and that was only for an extra three-month temporary term. If she had never fought the decision, she would have left. I tried to fight my decision, but there was no manager that sided with me. When I was called into the office, they filled out an "exit interview" form, which means it's over. I actually pleaded for another chance, but they continuously refused. There were two managers, one was my manager. The manager that wasn't mine (let's call him Steve) started telling me, "So what we're going to do today..." and he paused and looked over at my manager (let's call her Wah) and she said "Yeah." I presume he asked her because he was swayed by my reasoning.

    I told him that the PTC office (I'm still not sure what it stands for, but it deals with all the employee relations in the store and is responsible for the scheduling) left last week's schedule up, and since I wanted to look at my week quickly since there was a new employee trying to look at his, I saw that I wasn't working Tuesday. I walked out happily, and the bastard new guy never bothered telling me I looked at the wrong one. This was on Monday, by the way, when the schedules are outdated on the Saturday prior and are usually removed by that point). Wah knew this but it didn't affect her. She said my history was still too flawed to keep me. I am confident that there were other reasons.


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    Welcome to our public square "rajagainstthemachine".

    Edited to add:From a second reading of your contribution you might get some help to document all of your evidence while it is still fresh in your mind.


    From a first reading of your contribution it seems you probably deserve some time to relax and recover from recent events. Try to spring back to life just as the trees and plants spring themselves to life. Conflict, properly dealt with and resolved ... forms the basis of much of our deepest lifelong learning.

    Our public square is a place of dispute and conflict as well as openness and harmony. Welcome also to battle if that is what you seek, ratm.

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    The Wal-Mart phenomenon will bite China just like it bit/bites Wal-Mart's US suppliers. How are Wal-Mart suppliers going to pay off their bank loans and return capital to their investors when Wal-Mart takes it away with their own unrealistic pricing scheme? The only way it has been the least bit tolerable so far is that US households have been flooded with consumer credit and the Chinese banking system is subject to very soft constraints. When that tap dries, and the dollar dives what then for Wal-Mart and its supply chain?

    Here's a scenario for really driving Wal-Mart into the ground (and good riddance!): network North American SMEs together regionally, give them a hegemonic retail presence in the form of a "Co-Mart" and replace the consumer debt that has been used to fill the present gap between production costs and household incomes with a "social credit" that monetizes the real credit(wealth) of the people without increasing debt.

    Dan Swinney Blog Comments on northern Italian SME networks and Co-Mart

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    posted 15 July 2005 05:10 PM      Profile for Albion1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    It is time everyone here boycott


    'Sam's Club Canada'


    How about it everyone? Whenever I see them I will avoid them like the plague that they are!!!


    From: Toronto, ON. Canada | Registered: Jun 2005  |  IP: Logged
    Sharon
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    posted 15 July 2005 05:42 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    Here's another reason:

    quote:
    RV campers discover Wal-Mart lots

    It's not what you'd call a back-to-nature experience, but RV campers travelling the Maritimes say nothing beats a Wal-Mart parking lot for convenience – and price. Wal-Mart is one of the few big businesses to allow camper vans and trailers to spend the night free of charge.

    * * *

    Bob Kay runs Camper City in Moncton, which is just down the road from the city's Wal-Mart outlet. He said it's hard to compete with a company that lets RVs and camper vans stay for free.

    When he looks at the Wal-Mart parking lot at night, he sees people that could be staying at his place. And he doesn't buy the argument that campers only pull into a Wal-Mart when they arrive in town too late to find a campground.

    "These people are living there. You go over and look," he said. "They've got awnings out and picnic tables and lounge chairs. They are camping."



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    posted 15 July 2005 11:10 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    Yeah, CBC did a feature on this a couple of years ago. What makes this such a pain for campground owners is not just the fact that Wal-Mart is taking away their business, but that people who would have stayed a week are checking in for just one night so that they can flush their sewage (the campground builds the cost of this into their operations, but they base that on the assumption that people will be flushing what they've, er, accumulated while staying there).
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    posted 22 July 2005 12:26 AM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    Scott, I hear the concerns of the campground owners, however couldn't you argue from another perspective that those who go camping in Wal-Mart parking lots aren't that concerned about real camping, so it's better because the campgrounds are now left to people who care?

    I recently read an article in Macleans "suggesting" that Wal-Mart is indeed good. One thing about the story that struck out for me was the woman in Miramichi, New Brunswick who successfully lobbied for a Wal-Mart in her community so that people didn't have to go to Moncton to find a wider selection of goods at a lower price. On the other hand, having a Wal-Mart here in Brandon (or even Portage la Prairie) doesn't stop people from shopping in Winnipeg. And with gas prices being what they are, I'm skeptical that there's any benefit to shopping elsewhere to save anyways.


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    posted 04 August 2005 03:02 PM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    It's interesting that Wal Mart is now heading into smaller communities. Some will use that as evidence either that their community is growing or that Wal Mart wants to provide products to more people. For most small communities, a Wal Mart isn't any more viable now than it was 12 years ago. The difference now is that the urban/suburban market has been saturated, so the only place Wal Mart can expand is into smaller communities that it would have ignored before.
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    posted 04 August 2005 03:51 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    quote:
    Bob Kay runs Camper City in Moncton, which is just down the road from the city's Wal-Mart outlet. He said it's hard to compete with a company that lets RVs and camper vans stay for free.

    Seems to me that's a little like the local Motel saying they can't compete with the free benches at the bus station.

    How dreary is this guy's campground that he's finding it hard to compete with flat, black, hot tarmac and absolutely nothing else? I would think it obvious that by the time you're "camping" in a parking lot, your purpose isn't really camping, it's parking.


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    posted 04 August 2005 04:12 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    It is overnight camping, Magoo. But I have no complaint with it. If free parking at Wal-Mart hurts camp grounds they will soon go out of business, the RV industry will falter, and Wal-Mart will have inadvertently done something positive for the enviroment.

    quote:
    My wages were getting too high. I was soon to start on $11.50 an hour while a new cash associate makes $9.50 (the low wage argument against Wal-Mart never had any merit in my mind).

    Sam's Club pays higher than Wal-Mart. And if you think even $9.50 is a fair wage, I'm betting you live at home, or at least don't pay market rent.

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    posted 24 August 2005 02:55 PM      Profile for shitdisturber        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    Listen up. Any retail chain that closes as a result of its workers unionizing is a goddammned coward! Guess Walmart in Quebec should have the colour yellow, not blue!
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    Quite frankly I'd like to see Walmart close their Brampton, Mississauga and Toronto stores on account of them becoming unionized. Come on, admit it, those who are disgusted with Walmart have now been given the answer!
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    posted 16 October 2005 05:08 PM      Profile for rajagainstthemachine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    quote:
    Originally posted by shitdisturber:
    Quite frankly I'd like to see Walmart close their Brampton, Mississauga and Toronto stores on account of them becoming unionized. Come on, admit it, those who are disgusted with Walmart have now been given the answer!

    Are you sure those stores are unionized? How did that come about? In my store, there would never be any chance that would happen.


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    posted 02 November 2005 09:28 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    quote:

    The Labor Department's inspector general strongly criticized department officials yesterday for "serious breakdowns" in procedures involving an agreement promising Wal-Mart Stores 15 days' notice before labor investigators would inspect its stores for child labor violations.

    The report by the inspector general faulted department officials for making "significant concessions" to Wal-Mart, the nation's largest retailer, without obtaining anything in return. The report also criticized department officials for letting Wal-Mart lawyers write substantial parts of the settlement and for leaving the department's own legal division out of the settlement process.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/01/national/01labor.html


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    posted 02 November 2005 09:31 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    quote:

    Wal-Mart is taking a page from the modern political playbook. Under fire from well-organized opponents who have hammered the retailer with criticisms of its wages, health insurance and treatment of workers, Wal-Mart has quietly recruited former presidential advisers, including Michael K. Deaver, who was Ronald Reagan's image-meister, and Leslie Dach, one of Bill Clinton's media consultants, to set up a rapid-response public relations team in Arkansas.

    . . . .

    To keep up with its critics, Wal-Mart "has to run a campaign," said Robert McAdam, a former political strategist at the Tobacco Institute who now oversees Wal-Mart's corporate communications. "It's simply nonsense for us to let some of these attacks go without a response."

    Wal-Mart's aggressive new posture is a departure from its tradition of relying on an internal staff to manage the company's image. The war room, which is part of a larger Wal-Mart effort to portray itself as more worker-friendly and environmentally conscious, runs counter to the philosophy of the chain's founder, Sam Walton. Believing that public relations was a waste of time and money, the penny-pinching Mr. Walton would not likely have hired a public relations firm like Edelman, Wal-Mart's choice to operate its war room.

    So what has changed? For one thing, Wal-Mart's critics have become more sophisticated



    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/01/business/01walmart.html


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    posted 17 February 2006 12:24 PM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    E-mails from Wal-Mart's internal website:
    quote:

    In his response to the store manager who asked about retiree health benefits, Mr. Scott wrote: "Quite honestly, this environment isn't for everyone. There are people who would say, 'I'm sorry, but you should take the risk and take billions of dollars out of earnings and put this in retiree health benefits and let's see what happens to the company.' If you feel that way, then you as a manager should look for a company where you can do those kinds of things."

    . . . .

    Commenting on a labor union that is fighting Wal-Mart's expansion plans in New York City and elsewhere, Mr. Scott wrote in the Web site, "that way its members' employers" — meaning many Wal-Mart competitors — "can continue to charge extremely high prices for food and tolerate poor service."

    Stung by the many news media reports about allegations of sex discrimination, off-the-clock work and child labor violations at Wal-Mart, Mr. Scott wrote, "The press lives on things that are negative."

    The Web site shows many sides of one of the nation's most powerful executives. He denounces managers who complain about the company or their subordinates. He frets about the success of his discount rival Target. He exhorts employees to act with integrity. He mocks General Motors for problems caused by its generous benefits. He rejects a manager's suggestion that Wal-Mart has created "a culture of fear," and he hails Wal-Mart's performance in responding to Hurricane Katrina.


    http://tinyurl.com/9rxut


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    Walmart is cheap.
    And for everything else...there's Mastercard.

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    posted 17 February 2006 02:32 PM      Profile for Ward     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    Co-mart gets my vote.
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    quote:

    Under assault as never before, Wal-Mart is increasingly looking beyond the mainstream media and working directly with bloggers, feeding them exclusive nuggets of news, suggesting topics for postings and even inviting them to visit its corporate headquarters.

    But the strategy raises questions about what bloggers, who pride themselves on independence, should disclose to readers. Wal-Mart, the nation's largest private employer, has been forthright with bloggers about the origins of its communications, and the company and its public relations firm, Edelman, say they do not compensate the bloggers.


    http://tinyurl.com/fmztk


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    Jibjab.com did a great piece on big box stores. But it seems the desire to make a buck has lead them to now charge for their animations.

    As for parking in Wal-mart, i concur with the others who point out that these people are not 'campers'. It does remind me of a scenario i see acted out every summer though. To get to B.C. Ferries and then Victoria one needs to traverse a miles long causeway. In the summer time hundreds of people camp on the water side of this causeway. For a while i used to have the opinion that they were stupid for camping beside this causeway which is often full of backed up traffice waiting to access the terminal. Meanwhile these campers are continuously assaulted by gas fumes, vehicle noise and the image of being in the midst of a giant parking lot.

    Today i have a very different opinion of these campers. I am glad they are on the causeway because there is no way i want them cluttering up my island retreats.

    Conversely, i used to do a lot of camping in my van and i never, ever went near campgrounds. Of course i didn't carry my own septic tank around either. Instead i relied on the roadside and service station facilities and was always able to find some quiet, often interesting and remote site to park my van.

    In my experience private campgrounds are little more than trailer parks and simply exemlify the ever expanding lose of the commons. In fact, i see very little difference between 'camping' at waldo-mart and using private campgrounds other than the complaint that some enterpriser is missing out on some profits. In fact, this issue may well illustrate how the 'commons' is rapidly becoming big shopping centre and causeway parking lots.


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    It wouldn't be quite so bad if Walmart's profits were plowed back into a common good serving a larger purpose, like: education, health care, science, the environment or something really useful to the longrun scheme of things. Instead, Walmart worker's are part of a non-unionized army for the enrichment of an already wealthy handful few who salt it away in bank accounts and a reserve fund for bribing elected politicians.
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    posted 07 March 2006 11:00 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    Vehicles have a lot of hidden expenses in them that people don't stop to think about; my dad and I were talking about this and he said that when you factor insurance, depreciation, maintenance and the cost of gas into a car it really can cost almost $800 a month to use one.

    Now, you don't "see" the depreciation, but it comes in at the end when you sell your car and get way less than what you paid for it, so you have paid "up front" for a loss in the value of your car. Since you paid up front for that, you can think of part of the effect of depreciation as being the loss of the interest you would gain on the money sitting in your bank account or a GIC.

    The government reimburses 46 cents a kilometer on a car, and their experts have gone over the cost factors for a lot of cars and it does indeed work out that you spend about 40 to 50 cents a klick on a vehicle when you take all the above costs into account. (and people usually drive anywhere from 14,000 to 20,000 kilometers a year...)

    If you own a car it just makes way more sense to ditch the insurance and take transit instead, and then just buy a day or two's temporary insurance when you MUST get stuff that you can't lug on transit.

    And for your info, I have actually gone, via transit, and picked up all my computer components.

    [ 07 March 2006: Message edited by: DrConway ]


    From: You shall not side with the great against the powerless. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
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    posted 09 March 2006 03:37 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
    From The Washington Monthly, via Alternet

    Everyday low vices

    quote:
    "Sam would have been proud" is the highest tribute that can be paid at the company Walton left behind. Increasingly, though, it's also clear that what the writer Barbara Ehrenreich termed the "Cult of Sam" has played a large role in its current woes. Walton, in his day, played a hard game, but he knew when to hold back. Unions were fiercely resisted, but employees were treated respectfully. Wages were low, but people were made to feel they had a stake in the company. Bargaining with suppliers would be tough, but some holds would be barred. Walton's instincts, in short, helped to keep the company's foibles in check. Absent Walton, the redeeming features of Wal-Mart began to disappear. What remained were the relentlessness, the chauvinism, and, above all, the cheapness. As so often happens, the leader wasn't doctrinaire; but the followers are. A Fortune article from 2003 notes how, at Wal-Mart headquarters, "nothing backs up a point better than a quotation from Walton scripture."

    It won't be easy for Wal-Mart to change its ways. Wake Up Wal-Mart likes to point out that Wal-Mart could raise its average wages by two dollars an hour if it raised prices by only a penny on the dollar. But Wal-Mart is led by people whose lives are devoted to coming up with ways to shave a penny -- or a half penny, or a quarter penny -- off of a dollar. Wal-Mart's chief spokesman summed up the difficulty in an interview with The New York Times. Change might be necessary, he admitted, but, "at the same time, we can't change who we are -- we can't change what makes Wal-Mart Wal-Mart."


    In reading the comments section, I also found a link to this interesting piece off the BBC website. It seems that they are being beaten at their own game in Britain and they don't like it one bit.

    Wal-Mart calls for Tesco inquiry

    quote:
    Asda's US parent company Wal-Mart has called for the government to launch an investigation into Tesco's domination of the UK supermarket sector.
    US-based Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, told the Sunday Times that such a probe was vital now that Tesco's UK market share had hit a record 30.5%.

    Tesco, the UK's largest supermarket group to Asda's number two, said the 30.5% figure was "misleading".

    Wal-Mart's comments came as Asda unveiled £130m ($234m) in price cuts.

    Tesco's 30.5% market share figure was published last week by independent market research company TNS. Asda's share was given as 16.7%.



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