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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 19 May 2006 10:51 AM      Profile for Pride for Red Dolores     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I went to a job interview yesterday at a car dealership. I was early, and while I was waiting, I saw a customer in the showroom wearing this big purple sweater that said RAPE in big letters, with decorative gold flecks and rhinestones all around it. I was soo angry, I really can't comprehend how anyone,(even if I wasn't a feminist) could wear a shirt like that that seems to celebrate rape ! It reminds me of a guy I knew in High School saying that he didn't believe in rape.. I'd say that this is a good example of mysoginy in Canadian society...

[ 19 May 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ]


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posted 19 May 2006 12:11 PM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did you confront him/her? I'm curious about what they were thinking wearing a shirt like that.
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posted 19 May 2006 01:25 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's an offshoot of the 'shock-irony' t-shirt fad that has been soiling our streets for the past couple of years. I've seen others with nazi slogans, far too many with variations on date rape jokes, and a few others I can't recall.

Offensive, all of them. They are a handy tool for identifying people I will never, ever have anything to do with. Like an asshole label. I just wish the shirt would cut to the chase and say 'insensitive asshole here.' Of course, some of them actually do.


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posted 19 May 2006 03:13 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by greenie:
Did you confront him/her?

No matter how justified (and, egads, that is disgusting), it's probably not the best timing to verbally attack a customer when one is waiting for a job interview.


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posted 19 May 2006 03:33 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
They are a handy tool for identifying people I will never, ever have anything to do with.

Oh how true! That and a few other good clothing disasters.


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posted 19 May 2006 05:52 PM      Profile for greenie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
No matter how justified (and, egads, that is disgusting), it's probably not the best timing to verbally attack a customer when one is waiting for a job interview.

I agree that it would not be the most prudent action. However, I wouldn't be able to fully concentrate during the interview knowing that I did not say anything. I've always regretted not saying anything over saying something inappropriate but that's just my personality. And if it were to cause a scene (although that would not be my intention) and after explaining the situation to the interviewer, it resulted in him/her having a negative opinion of me... well, then I would not want to work for a person like that anyway.


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posted 19 May 2006 06:10 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In a sales job, challenging customers is always frowned on.

It's one of the reasons I'd starve if I were to work in sales. That and I could't sell ice in Egypt.

I agree it would be difficult to accept, but unemployment can also be a difficult pill to swallow. Let's not go second guessing the original poster.


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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 19 May 2006 07:29 PM      Profile for Pride for Red Dolores     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I initialy saw the letters RAP and thought "oh you're not serious...maybe it's just music.." but then he turned around and I still really can't believe it..I really did want to say something to him, but as some of you've mentioned- I was on a job interview at the time. I talked to my sister earlier, and I think that if she ever saw him she'd make sure to confront him in an unpleasant way..she also pointed out that it would be as bad as if he had a shirt with the word "Nigger" on it or some other repulsive slur against people of African descent.

[ 19 May 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ]


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posted 19 May 2006 11:56 PM      Profile for kiwi_chick        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Next time you see some one wearing a shirt with rape written on it, take his pic with a camera phone, with no flash, and post it on the internet. That would scare them.
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posted 20 May 2006 04:46 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Next time you see some one wearing a shirt with rape written on it, take his pic with a camera phone, with no flash, and post it on the internet. That would scare them.

1. How is he going to know that his picture is on the internet? I assume the reason for not using the flash is so he won't know he's being photographed.

2. If the guy doesn't mind going out in public with a shirt like that, he's probably not gonna care if he's seen on the internet wearing it.

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posted 20 May 2006 04:59 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chances are, if someone is wearing a t-shirt which trivializes rape, he already KNOWS that it's offensive, that's part of the appeal for him. So pointing out that it's offensive is just letting him know that he's getting the reaction he wants.

My preferred strategy for dealing with inappropriate humour is to claim to have some personal connection to the issue being trivialized. For example...

SOME YAHOO: Hey, ya wanna hear a hilarious joke about the XYZ illness?

VOTD: My father died of the XYZ illness.

SOME YAHOO: Oh, uh...

I don't even bother saying that I find the humour offensive, because again the whole point of humour like that is to be offensive. Rather, I try to remind the person that for some people, these issues aren't just distant abstractions to be appropriated for momentary shock value, they are real things that have had a tragic effect on their lives.

Of course I realize that most women aren't gonna wanna go up to a total stranger and claim to have been raped. Something along the lines of "Just so you know, I used to volunteer at a Rape Crisis Center" might get the point accross just as well.


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posted 20 May 2006 04:04 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah. Or you could go up to him and say sweetly, "Hey, I love your shirt. I'm so glad you're bringing attention to the terrible, widespread problem of rape. I volunteer at a rape crisis centre in town (name centre). We're having a fundraising drive right now, and I'm collecting donations. Would you like to give?"

Okay, I know, probably wouldn't work. But it's fun to think about his reaction!

Also, word to those who say it's an easy identification label. You know that saying, "Assholes should have to wear a sign"? Well, this is just voluntary compliance, as far as I'm concerned.

[ 20 May 2006: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 20 May 2006 04:24 AM      Profile for voice of the damned     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Yeah. Or you could go up to him and say sweetly, "Hey, I love your shirt. I'm so glad you're bringing attention to the terrible, widespread problem of rape. I volunteer at a rape crisis centre in town (name centre). We're having a fundraising drive right now, and I'm collecting donations. Would you like to give?"
Okay, I know, probably wouldn't work. But it's fun to think about his reaction!


Heh heh, that's even better. But you'd wanna actually go the whole nine yards, and get yourself some fundraising literature and a donation box. Because if you give the guy the opportunity to claim that he's making some sort of an anti-rape statement, he might actually take the bait, to save face. But that gives you the perfect opportunity to pressure him into putting his money where his mouth is.

In middle school, I met a guy who had a t-shirt advertising the name of a band he'd started, called Six Million Jews. I politely asked what I thought was a perfectly reasonable question, under the circumstances("Is your band pro-Nazi?"), and the guy informed me(also politely) that no, they were in fact anti-Nazi. One of the other people at this gathering was apparently embarrased at my inability to appreciate the ironic political commentary, and acted as if I had asked the stupidest question in the world.

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posted 20 May 2006 10:17 AM      Profile for Andy (Andrew)   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know what I'd say or do if I saw someone wearing a t-shirt like that. What makes some people tick?
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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 20 May 2006 11:43 AM      Profile for Pride for Red Dolores     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I tried to find the manufacturer of these shirts on the internet, in relation to what arborman has said but couldn't find anything...it came to mind last night that I should send an email of protest or something.
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posted 20 May 2006 05:09 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I tried to find the manufacturer of these shirts on the internet,

I only spent a few minutes but I came up with a lot of hits. [Question - is there a band out there named "Rape"?]

Probably not the shirts you wanted but there are these:

http://tinyurl.com/mktzd

Of course the band has a CD http://tinyurl.com/pvabp

Then there is this: http://tinyurl.com/m9ge9

I actually found much worse but these will do.


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posted 20 May 2006 05:16 PM      Profile for Sanityatlast        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
It's an offshoot of the 'shock-irony' t-shirt fad that has been soiling our streets for the past couple of years. I've seen others with nazi slogans, far too many with variations on date rape jokes, and a few others I can't recall.


Unfortunately the shock value and attention seeking worked. It's best not to give others' bad taste the power to govern ones own mood or actions. Ignore them and they fizzle.


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posted 20 May 2006 06:03 PM      Profile for skeptikool        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While this issue appears to have given a little life to a board near death, a T-shirt saying RAPE doesn't say whether the wearer is for it, against it, or is just bringing attention to it - saying that it's out there, so to speak.

On the other hand, he may just have been a member of RAPE (Resistors Against Premature Ejaculation)

Bloody hell! Why do I always have to come to the rescue?


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posted 21 May 2006 02:01 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Or maybe he was a canola farmer, but somehow I doubt it. That word has some pretty potent signifiers in our culture (any culture!). There's a reason we don't buy 'rape oil' in the grocery store - 'canola' is a lot more appealing.

The word 'rape' carries a hell of a lot of baggage. Nobody would wear a shirt bearing that word without knowing about that baggage.

The only exception I can think of is someone who doesn't speak english, and just buys a t-shirt because they like the colour or somesuch. I've often wondered what many of those t-shirts with chinese characters are saying.


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posted 21 May 2006 02:17 PM      Profile for skeptikool        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
arborman:

quote:
...I've often wondered what many of those t-shirts with chinese characters are saying.

I bought one of those once in a thrift store. May not have been such a good buy after all - even at 50 cents and being 100 per cent cotton.

Wearing it at a local Asian food court, I became aware of many glancing my way and giggling. I almost went into shock when a young Asian male came to my table, smiled, stooped, and kissed me hard on the mouth. The applause was still lingering as I went hurriedly to the washroom to reverse the T-shirt.

A nice guy, I'm sure, but he just wasn't my type.


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posted 21 May 2006 03:31 PM      Profile for Sanityatlast        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The T-shirt incident reminds me:

A couple weeks ago I was listening to the radio and the subject came up of a website where one can post a photo of one's tattoo.

Warning. Be careful of what you have tattooed on your body. One female had her 'oriental' language tatoo posted and she was shocked to learn that the characters weren't in the language she thought it was and, worse of all, said something like 'dirty monkey' instead of the cutsy phrase to was suppose to.


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posted 21 May 2006 07:54 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On the topic of tatoos in oriental characters - a couple of weeks back I read an article about a high profile Chinese tatoo artist that was proud of the fact that he'd regularly tatoo anglos with obscene phrases, menu items, and so forth.

Unless you actually read the language, I'd suggest you stay clear.


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I always wondered whether the whole "obscene Oriental language character tattoo" thing was an urban legend. Everyone knows a friend of a friend who had something obscene tattooed on them. I'd be interested in seeing that article, abnormal, if you remember where you read it. Because that's the first I've heard of a "first source" for this type of story.

It wouldn't surprise me, though. When you see the type of English-language t-shirts they sell in Japan, with totally inappropriate things written on them (and even worn by children), when obviously the wearers are oblivious, it wouldn't surprise me if we were getting the same thing in Chinese or Japanese characters here.

[Edited because I always get "arborman" and "abnormal" mixed up - sorry about that! Mental block, I think.]

[ 21 May 2006: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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posted 21 May 2006 08:20 PM      Profile for skeptikool        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While we're getting off the serious topic of rape, I have to respond to Sanityatlast's timely warning re: tattoos.

When a man went to a tattoo parlor to request that his girlfriend's name be tattooed on his penis, the tattooist asked that he come back when he was less inebriated and that he give much thought to the fragile permanency of many relationships.

Thoroughly determined, the man returned to have the tattooing proceed. When the artist insisted that the penis must be erect, the man had no problem with this.

Despite the shortness of the name, Freda, only the first letter was written when the vibrating needle caused the man to climax. The tattooist said that she couldn't possibly have this happening with every letter of the name but could finish the task with a razor.

The man quickly lost his enthusiasm. It turned out for the good since the couple separated within a short while and the man was heard to say that if his penis was to have just one letter, that F was as good a letter as any.


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posted 21 May 2006 08:33 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Michelle,

Don't remember where I saw it - it was a mainstream newspaper because I do remember that I was stuck on a conference call in the office - group of lawyers arguing some subtlties about insolvency law - I was doing my usual multi-tasking - since it was in the office it had to be pretty mainstream but that's all I remember.


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posted 21 May 2006 10:25 PM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[Edited because I always get "arborman" and "abnormal" mixed up - sorry about that! Mental block, I think.]

Well, many people have called me abnormal...

You reminded me of the scene in Young Frankenstein when Gene Wilder is asking the name of the brain Igor has stolen.

"Er.... Abby"
"Abby, sounds like a good name. What was the last name?"
"Abby....Abby Normal."

Chuckle.


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posted 21 May 2006 10:37 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skeptikool:
When a man went to a tattoo parlor to request that his girlfriend's name be tattooed on his penis...

Holy cow!

BTW, I don't have any tattoos,period.


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There is a website out there in the ether where tattooists share 'gross customer' stories. I can't remember how I ended up there, but some people are very creepy.
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I don't know what I'd say or do if I saw someone wearing a t-shirt like that. What makes some people tick?

I'd guess that was entirely for the shock value and to make people react like this. Taking a pic and posting on the net would probably (and quite sadly) increase sales of a certain purple sweater. Hard to tell from just the shirt description mind you, but odds is he probably has no clue about the social implications of what he's wearing, he just likes the shocked looks he gets.

quote:
I always wondered whether the whole "obscene Oriental language character tattoo" thing was an urban legend.

Not a legend... Let me see if I can find an old article in my emails. A friend of mine was travelling South Eastern Asia and did her research. Mind you, the article might just be further propogating the urban legend hey?

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Yes, and some people are living testimony to their assholiness. I was checking out in the eight items or less line at the grocery store last evening. As I was making with the wallet quick draw from the back pocket of my jeans, this guy is standing rrrrrright behind me. I could hear him breathing down my neck. I never gave him the satisfaction of acknowledging him and made some idle chit chat with the checkout person. I dropped some change on guitar person's blanket on the way out while breather guy rushes past us both to where his late model gas guzzler is parked ... in a space clearly reserved for the handicapped. He finishes unloading and leaves the buggy in front of my car next to his. I bellowed at him as I walked toward his driver's side and stood beside the blue and white wheelchair sign, then shaking my arm and and finger at him. He didn't even turn to look as he hopped into his assholemobile and then sped away. Grrr!

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It'll take much more than that to offend me. Let him wear whatever he wants. Whenever you let that kind of thing get to you, the guy wearing the shirt wins anyway.
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Sorry to drift a little, but does anyone know why Canola was originally called Rape? Or is that like asking why a dog is called a dog?

On topic...unbelievable. What an ass.


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North Shore, I believe canola was bred from rapeseed to derive a more high quality food (rather than lubricant) oil. Canola is supposed to stand for Canadian Oil Low Acid. Sometime in the 70's in Manitoba or Saskatchewan. (That's right, it's Canadian -- a canucki fact.)

As for offensive t-shirts; I don't know. Why did I have to drive by a 4x4 and four door farm truck today with the bumper sticker; "Liberals Make Me Puke"? I think some people are just searching for others to argue with them.


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Siren, Thanks! I was actually asking where the name rapeseed came from...I was aware of the origins of 'canola.'
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Rape comes from "rapum", meaning turnip. In what language I don't know.
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quote:
Originally posted by North Shore:
Siren, Thanks! I was actually asking where the name rapeseed came from...I was aware of the origins of 'canola.'


oopsie

Rapum sounds perhaps Latin.

Fidel, great story. I have a real problem with people creeping up behind me in the grocery line. As if that will speed up the process. For me, it has always been men doing the snuggle and snort in the line.


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