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Topic: Pulling Out the Stops... whodunnit?
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Kinetix
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posted 05 October 2008 05:10 PM
quote: Later, the garage called to tell him it had been no accident. When Lane expressed disbelief, the mechanic told him: "Look, this is a big, heavy rubber hose and it's been cut through with a very sharp knife. You should phone the police."Police later said Lane was not alone and asked if he had an election sign, telling him, "The Carolyn Bennett sign seems to be the one thing linking events."
Car Vandals Aim at Liberal Supporters [ 05 October 2008: Message edited by: Kinetix ]
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Kinetix
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posted 05 October 2008 05:20 PM
For the record, a question mark was used. Here, I'll make it equal opportunity baseless speculation:New Democrats kill, hoping to pin blame on Conservatives? Greens kill, hoping to end our dependency on motor vehicles? Liberals kill their own in order to garner media sympathy? Having also been the target of election sign related violence from those who take elections just a tad too seriously, note that I'm really, really not okay with what happened. I think it's pretty damned scary, actually, and I hope nobody gets hurt starting their car on Monday morning if they haven't used it over the weekend.
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posted 05 October 2008 05:25 PM
For the record, people were in their cars, with the brakes not working. No fun to be added. Question mark or no, that was a cheap shot, and the implications are very, very serious. Edited to add: thanks for taking the "fun" out of your last post, and acknowledging the danger. It would be great if you pulled the speculation out of the thread title, too. [ 05 October 2008: Message edited by: writer ]
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Kinetix
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posted 05 October 2008 05:32 PM
Gah! I'm not saying it's wrong to be outraged that it happened. You should be. I'm asking you to not be outraged at me for a poor choice of thread title, because, y'know, it's kinda missing the forest for the trees.Anyway, this topic doesn't have a thread because Michelle closed it. Let's make this the sordid-tales-of-election-violence thread. I'll go first. I had a sign up in my front yard a few years back and some hooligans threw rocks and beer bottles in via an open window, smashing glass and making a terrible mess. Kept getting glass in my feet for weeks. Apparently, same thing happened all over the block. Toronto police never called me back to open a report. [ 05 October 2008: Message edited by: Kinetix ]
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Stargazer
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posted 06 October 2008 03:17 AM
quote: For the record, a question mark was used. Here, I'll make it equal opportunity baseless speculation:New Democrats kill, hoping to pin blame on Conservatives? Greens kill, hoping to end our dependency on motor vehicles? Liberals kill their own in order to garner media sympathy?
You forgot one: Conservatives, most with no hope of winning in Ontario, wreck havoc with the Liberals, just for the sake of it. But for some reason, you couldn't even add this one.
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janfromthebruce
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posted 06 October 2008 06:51 AM
Jack Layton already did the right thing this morning by unreservedly condemning this (these?) psychopaths and expressing solidarity with the victims and their campaigns. Noted on Kinsella blog the chat turned to this: quote: We can only assume its Conservative supporters sabotaging over a dozen cars and homes in St. Pauls overnight.Cutting brake lines on cars is many orders of magnitude worse than pulling down a lawn sign. Where's the denunciation from the CPC? Has the local CPC EDA been ordered to help in the hunt for these maniacs? If not, why not? They probably have a good idea who among them is disturbed enough to do such a thing. Such people tend to stand out even among the most rabid of "conservative" throngs. Mike Watkins
quote: So, yah, I have no problem believing thugs are out there and I tend to suppect the CPoC before I suspect the NDP.My experience with Harperites is that they live in a culture of hate. So who do I look at first when trash happens? That is not to say they have a monopoloy on hate and fear, but I know they are major shareholders in it. Coffee Walkswithcoffee
There seems to be some rumour peppered with some inside knowledge that it's coming from the Con camp or some association of. Don't know. [ 06 October 2008: Message edited by: janfromthebruce ]
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posted 06 October 2008 06:56 AM
Personally, I think such uninformed speculation is creepy and opportunistic, whatever party one chooses to blame because of one's own biases.Kind of veers into does-the-witch-float territory. Edited to add: jftb, think you meant to link to the comments for this post: THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN IN CANADA - OR SHOULDN'T [ 06 October 2008: Message edited by: writer ]
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Polunatic2
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posted 06 October 2008 07:07 AM
I would tend to lean toward Mycroft's speculation. It would help if the thread title included "St. Paul" or something. I started another thread on this a few minutes ago so I'll copy my opening post here. ---------- Will my riding become the new ground zero on the "war on terrorism"? More cars damaged as election vandalism spreads in Toronto quote: A criminal investigation is underway following more reports of potentially life-threatening vandalism apparently connected to the federal election campaign in Toronto.In total, 26 incidents have been reported since Saturday, the most serious of which involved car brake lines being cut and homes vandalized with political graffiti. Most of the damage seems to have been done to the cars and homes of Liberal supporters in the Toronto riding of St. Paul's.
"Life-threatening vandalism"? I wonder if that's how they would be describing it if it were conservative supporters being targeted?Spraypaint is vandalism. Even "keying" someone's car is vandalism. But cutting the brakes on people's cars? I hope that all the parties' campaigns denounce this and not just because I live in the riding and have a child who bikes and walks all over the place. Whoever is doing this needs a long "time out". Edited to add: Glad to hear that Layton has denounced this. [ 06 October 2008: Message edited by: Polunatic2 ]
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