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She said it should be easy for a wife to get in the mood. "Just having a man that cares for you is reason to be grateful. If that doesn’t put you in the mood, he married the wrong woman."

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What about women’s needs? Schlessinger said they are largely met by girlfriends. "Men fix things. They don’t want to listen to us crying. You want to sit and talk about feelings, then call your mother. It’s not what you do with men," she said.

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Apparently what you do with men is cook them supper, smile at them adoringly, and fuck them on demand.

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Why I've taken her advice and my life is just sunshine and roses.

From the street you can see the glow of love and even when it rains it doesn't rain on our house, except gently now and then on the the lawns and flowerbeds.

My husband is so happy he never even has to ask for anything.

My children are angels and know to keep quiet when dad is home.

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Why I've taken her advice and my life is just sunshine and roses.

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Schlessinger has taken a lot of heat for her views opposing single motherhood, but stands by her opinion. "I think it’s a terrible cruelty to children. To rob them of a father is horrendous," she said. "To me that’s a horrible side of the women’s movement."

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Sheesh.

We gave you silly broads the right to vote. Isn't that enough to do the above quoted? I mean really!

Sheesh.

I'm so glad I have Dr. Laura around to teach me how to be a real woman.

I mean...isn't she just so obsequious! Frankly, speaking as a male, I'd be embarrassed if I was her husband. I'd want to hide. Slavishness becomes mockery when taken to such voluntary extremes.

Ah, well...money covers up a multitude of sins.

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There are lots of guys who would love to have a wife like her. I know some guys who would probably read the quotes we mentioned above and say, "Yeah, and? What's wrong with that?" and be half-serious. And I know at least a couple who would say it completely seriously.

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A lot of those comments would simply be provocative..like Heywood Floyd's tongue-in-cheek remarks. I've got a brother like that...he simply says the opposite of anything I say, like a small child mimicking another child. He does it just to bug me. Or he says it to see if he can make such a remark without a challenge.

Don't get me wrong, however. I've always found the "demure" female very sexy, for example. But what sort of a man wants a total mirror of himself? He would get all his stupidities and weaknesses reflected back to himself. He'd never grow very much at all.

There's a whole sexual side that I am not going to get into. But any man that loves women or loves the woman he's with knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Got a few more?

That's Gov.Arnie now, bud.

Debra,

(can we like borrow some of that lovely rain?)

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The blond guy still hasn't gotten over the better campfire bit... I let him bait all the hooks so he still feels macho.

Interesting article. I suppose I could have saved my first marriage by following Dr Laura's advice. Of course, that would have meant being someone I wasn't, so it still wouldn't have been much of a marriage.

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But then, she's a fake "doctor" professionally misrepresenting herself in the media and a self-appointed Old Testament moralist with loads of (hideous) nude photos of her skanky, withered old self plastered all over the internet. So whatever.

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Dr. Laura denies making anti-homosexuality statements attributed to her

Alleged anti-homosexuality statements attributed to Laura Schlessinger led to an advertising boycott and cancellation of her TV show in 2001. Many media have quoted her as saying that gays are "deviant" and "biological errors."

Schlessinger said she never made those statements. She calls them "complete lies" created by activists. "How horrible. I’m a Jew. How could I ever say that," she said.

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"If you're gay or a lesbian, it's a biological error" - Dr. Laura's Website, December 8, 1998

"When we have the word homosexual, we are clarifying the dysfunction, the deviancy, the reality" - Dr. Laura's radio show, August 13, 1999 (quoted by Canadian Broadcast Standards Council)

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...yes, I know; but have you seen the pictures?

I was in a bar a few months ago with a friend of mine, and he turned to me all serious like:
"What do those girls do anyway?"

Referring to the immaculately turned out, perfect hair, perfect make up girls who populated the bar we happened to be in.

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[ 17 April 2004: Message edited by: Michelle ]

My world has been shattered! Where will I go for marital guidance now?

First, "on demand" sex? I certainly can't speak for every man, but sex with a partner that isn't truly into it is simply not worth it. Without that emotional desire, sex is kind of boring. If you're six years old and under, not being able to constructively deal with "No" is understandible. After that, it means you're stupid.

Second, why shouldn't I be there to help my wife with her problems? I like the fact that my wife knows me better and I know her better than anybody else. We're partners.

The smiling at me adoringly happens often enough(Hey, she didn't just marry me for my ability to reach the top shelf and kill spiders), but I think I value the stern look of "Just what in the hell are you thinking?" even more. Until you realize that the true test of love isn't being happy together in the good times, but in being happy together in the tough times, you just don't understand love. I don't need a mindless cheerleader: I need an honest critic to stop me from re-investing our savings and equity into whatever my latest aventure I've got planned.

I also believe that marriages can fail when parents put the needs of the children first ahead of the marriage. A family needs a strong parent bond to hold it together. The marriage must come first or the family falls apart and the children then suffer.

So many couples after the birth of children center their lives upon the children and their needs and activities, thereby neglecting the needs of their relationship.

I believe that this time, I've got it right. At least I pray that I have. At least twice a day, my husband and I sit down and discuss what is going on in our lives. Not just work and the days activities, but our hopes and dreams, our philosophies, politics, spiritual beliefs and so much more. Our relationship as a result seems to be growing stronger all the time. We are more in love every day and find new respect and admiration for each other constantly. Our marriage is the most important earthly thing in our lives.
Edited to add: Dr. Laura sucks rocks. She is a bigot and must destroy a lot of relationships as well as many womens' self esteem.

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In my own experiences (2 failed marriages), I believe what makes marriages fail is when partners stop communicating. People change constantly and when one partner doesn't want to or won't talk about the changes in her/his life this can lead to a downfall in the relationship.

I believe that this time, I've got it right. At least I pray that I have. At least twice a day, my husband and I sit down and discuss what is going on in our lives. Not just work and the days activities, but our hopes and dreams, our philosophies, politics, spiritual beliefs and so much more. Our relationship as a result seems to be growing stronger all the time. We are more in love every day and find new respect and admiration for each other constantly. Our marriage is the most important earthly thing in our lives.

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I have to agree with this. My first relationship (we weren't married, but lived together for 4 1/2 years, and were to be married September 2002) fell apart. why? Because my ex (and his family--mother, father, sisters) all thought I should be a Dr. Laura woman...submissive, obedient, do all the cooking and cleaning, and look after their beloved "Guy". I did all that...for 4 1/2 years. I also worked over 45 hours per week, where as he rarely held a job.

I left him in March of 2003 (after we put the wedding off for another year because we got evicted, since I ended up not being able to pay all the bills and rent myself, plus pay for the new car we bought).

I met my new boyfriend in May. I didn't want a relationship, but he was so COOL. We met at a bar, and talked about religion for an hour or so, then I gave him my number. He called every night for two weeks, and we'd talk for at least 2 hours every night. When he came to pick me up for our first date, he brought my parents cases of bottled water (he works in a water bottling plant).

We're complete equals, and we're moving in together May 1st. He makes more than me, and works far more, but he doesn't expect me to do all the cleaning (I have a very active volunteer life so I'm not home a lot) and cooking. And he's free to do as he pleases (most women I know carry their husbands/boyfriends balls in a mason jar in their purse). We are a marriage of equals, and it's soooooooooo nice.

however, having listened to her often enough while driving (usually until she cracks and blasts some poor soul for a "stupid, stupid" personal decision that I find just ambiguous, then I change stations) I find I agree very strongly with one aspect of her credo:

post-divorce children are treated as throwaways -- a lot -- these days

As a man, I am absolutely astounded at many separated men's disregard for their children: men who leave and never ever see their kids again, or once a year, or once every few years; the statistics are damning and, to me, incomprehensible. Maybe a culture of marriage is a necessary constraint on this kind of casual, selfish dumping of kids. The law certainly cannot enforce affection, but should be enforced for parental legal responsibilties.

On this subject, when Dr Laura gets angry, and asks some caller: What the hell did you think would happen when you had an affair, separated and moved to another state??? OF COURSE your kids are going to suffer!!, I find myself thinking the lecture is often deserved ...

Who else in popular culture says that with any anger ?

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I'm just curious as to why a woman holds this view. My wife is strong-willed, and knows she's a bit of a control freak. Luckily, I'm not, so it's not too much of an issue.

I have never actually seen pussy whipping, only the perception and suspicion of it. This leads me to believe that it is drastically overstated as a phenomenon of heterosexual relationships.

Similar to Mrs.LTJ, I have also faced the implication that I am a pussy whipper. I don't resent it, because I exert absolutely zero control over another human being, making it an inaccurate accusation. I have standards and expectations, but I made these clear from the get go. So my Significant Other prefers to spend time with me. How is this a whipping scenario? Because I'm direct and actually have expectations?

I don't mean all men are pussy whipped. One example:

My best friend is marrying the man of her dreams. He washes her feet (literally), sits at home as she goes out partying, hands over his paycheque to her, and doesn't get to visit his friends unless she says so. I love my best friend, but she carries his balls in a mason jar in her purse.

Now, some people at my boyfriend's work presume he's pussy whipped, because he's moving to Hamilton (he lives an hour away right now). I wouldn't move to his city because it would be a been there done that scenario--I moved away from a city where I had friends, resources and family, to a place where I only had my boyfriend at the time. I didn't want a repeat of that (especially when I don't drive)--so he's moving here (he drives). Makes more sense to do it that way, anyways. But it was ultimately his decision. I didn't force him, he was the one who suggested it. *shrug* If wanting to be with me is pussying whipped, then so be it.

But no...he's free to come and go, and do whatever he wants. Most women I know are VERY controlling in their relationships...to the point where their men resent it. Maybe it's just my circle of friends or something, but I don't plan on being that way.

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Indeed, I am married. Going on 17 years.

I'm just curious as to why a woman holds this view. My wife is strong-willed, and knows she's a bit of a control freak. Luckily, I'm not, so it's not too much of an issue.

But I've had people imply that I'm 'whipped'; I understand the male perspective on this (and don't care much about it, though it has been a bit of an issue at times in the work environment - where the work past 7 and then go drinking with the boys credo didn't fit with my own desire to spend time with my kids), but I'd like to know more about the ladies' views on the subject.

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