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Topic: Is Dalton Right?
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sillygoil
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posted 15 February 2005 03:28 PM
Ontario demands $5B; P.E.I. wants new deal too - http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/02/15/binns-equalization050215.html Ugh.. Canada, land of inter-provincial bitching. Okay, is Dalton McGuinty right? Should Ontario get 5 Billion because Ottawa has finally done SOMETHING positive to aid the stagnant East Coast economy? Your thoughts?
From: Little house on the prairie | Registered: Sep 2004
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thorin_bane
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posted 15 February 2005 06:18 PM
As a side note, Brian Malroney so hate my city that he never came here. We don't vote blue so he felt it was a waste of time. Even when P Martin Sr died and we had a HUGE funeral with dignitaries from other countries, he couldn't be bothered to come. If anyone should from their own province it our little section of southern ontario, we have a lot of resources, wine, salt, oil, auto, banking, casino, agriculture. LOL of you think sask is flat try essex. there are NO hills it was a lake bottom at one time.
From: Looking at the despair of Detroit from across the river! | Registered: Jun 2004
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Bookish Agrarian
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posted 15 February 2005 09:34 PM
Might I suggest we need each other.
Toronto creates wealth, no doubt about it, but much of that wealth is created by the resources supplied by other parts of Ontario.
You would not have the wealth creation of Toronto without the resource creation of my neighbourhood.And here is one little subsidy that is my own particular hobbyhorse. Many, many family farmers, particularily the younger ones, work off-farm jobs to support the farm. By doing that we are indirectly subsidising the food you eat. I don't run down Torontonians becuase of that, it shouldn't be assumed though that we are leeches either. Same situation applies when you look at Canada as a whole. So no Dalton is not right.
Well actually he is, but more of a implementing the Harris/Eves agenda kind of way. [ 16 February 2005: Message edited by: Grant R. ]
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NDP Newbie
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posted 16 February 2005 12:40 PM
Everybody needs help in Ontario...My town's taking a huge hit because of Domtar, past efforts to further develop ther North were laudable but nowhere near enough, we all know about family farms being bought by corporate factory farmers, and then there's Toronto's problems.Before Dalton starts bitching, however, he'd better take a long and hard look at completely reversing Harris' slash-and-burn policies and implementing more progressive ways of earning new revenue for the province. What we're seeing right now, in my opinion, is pretty well every government, both provincially and federally, implementing some degree of race-to-the-bottom supply side economic and taxation policy, and then bitching at each other when they can't figure out why the fuck they don't have a enough money to fund the social programs that citizens are demanding. (To be fair to the leaders though, citizens demand before fair social programs and deep tax cuts. But no matter who holds the cards of power, somewhere along the bureaucratic or the leadership latter, corruption and ineptitude make this impossible, if it wouldn't already be even if everything were perfect. But with the media's current tilt (either staunchly pro-Liberal or pro-Tory depending on who owns it), informing citizens of this reality becomes more or less impossible.)
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Tommy Shanks
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posted 16 February 2005 02:43 PM
I think Dalton's right. Lets face it, there are no issues more important that taxes and unequal "equalization". Why should I subsidize any other Canadian? I work hard, and by that hard work I have dragged myself up to a point where I pay an obscene amount of tax. Why should I pay extra so some schmoe in Petty Harbour, Moncton,or Resolute can live like me. They should work as hard as us folks in Ontario, the engine of Canada.As a youngster I used to think how unseemly, hoiw petty, it was for any politician to essentially say "Hey, we want more, more, more". And I used to think that, regardless of how much tax an individual (or city, or province in a sense) pays, it helps to level out the real and systematic imbalances that exist across Canada that, for the greater good, need to be addressed. So yeah, I'm with Dalton. Enough of these equalizations games that everyone plays. Gimme, gimme, gimme.
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 16 February 2005 03:26 PM
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Tommy Shanks, what if your source of income is hurting others?
Then it would be illegal. If it's not illegal, then chances are the "hurting others" is all in your head. The way the religious right feels that swearing on television, on a show they don't even care to watch, "hurts them".
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), because at least it would be consistent with not wanting to be part of Canada, but since he isn't, it's just self-centred of him to want to deny assistence to regions who are suffering.
