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martin dufresne
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posted 21 April 2008 07:48 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was at a magazine launch last week (Labour, Capital and Society) at Concordia U. and a woman from PINAY, a Montreal-based Phillipine workers associatio,n told us that domestic migrant workers were not allowed to claim workmen's comensation/CSST benefits because Canada refused to sign an international convention on migrant workers rights.
Does anyone know if the NDP or anyone else has ever raised this issue in Parliament or elsewhere (Parliamentary committee)?
It seems that many foreign domestic workers - such as those who came in through the Live-in Caretaker Program - are coming down with cancer because of the cleaning products they must use and find themselves without basic health protections in Canada. It seems to me that the NDP ought to be pressuring the feds on this issue but I haven't heard that they did.
Feedback? Advice? Advocacy ideas?

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Proaxiom
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posted 21 April 2008 08:01 AM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If we are using cleaning products that cause cancer, isn't there a much bigger problem than worker's comp here?
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martin dufresne
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posted 21 April 2008 08:50 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you were sick with cancer and not allowed in your host country's hospital for lack of health coverage, because hey, we're not going to allow mere domestics basic entitlements, you might find a comment such as yours less than generous...
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Proaxiom
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posted 21 April 2008 08:59 AM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think me being forced to work with products that kill me would be a bigger issue in my mind than me being denied worker's compensation while I'm dying. Your opening post seems to skip right over the former and ask what's being done about the latter.
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martin dufresne
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posted 21 April 2008 09:20 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And I think your obdurate refusal to take at face value a racialised oppressed group of women asking for help is a "bigger issue" still. Yet I am sticking to my original relaying of their request.
We all know that cleaning products (and agricultural products) are carcinogenic. But foreign workers don't have the clout to resist their use or to get them taken and kept off the market. They are merely asking for help in obtaining health entitlements once they get sick, sometimes after years of use. Getting Canada to sign that international convention would clear a major legal hurdle.

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posted 21 April 2008 09:41 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you have any links so we can actually figure out what is being referred to. First of all WCB is provincial unless you are in a federally regulated industry and even then usually the feds have deals with provincial WCB agencies to cover injured workers. The rules are contained in provincial legislation so I am not sure what is meant with your opening post.

Federal info for live-in care givers.

Could you maybe post some links?


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martin dufresne
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posted 21 April 2008 10:12 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to this PINAY representative, provincial work/health entitlements can only be accessed if migrant workers are sufficiently recognized, which calls for Canada to ratify an international convention. It refuses to do so.

quote:
CSAWP and the international conventions for migrant workers
While Canada’s Seasonal Agricultural Workers Program adheres in many respects to international conventions regarding the treatment and rights of migrant workers, there are some areas where the CSAWP falls short of meeting international standards as set out in the UN International Convention on the Protection of the Rights of All Migrant Workers and Members of their Families (effective July 2003) and four earlier conventions of the International Labour Organization. Canada has yet to ratify any of these instruments.(...)


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So how about it? Is this an issue the NDP is addressing at all?

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kropotkin1951
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posted 21 April 2008 10:25 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From the thread title I thought you were referring to domestic workers not migrant farm labourers. Unfortunately it is hard to discuss this issue without knowing more about the specifics of the programs you are referring to.

There is no doubt Canada exploits its foreign workers and the new system that will allow the Immigration Minister to wield unprecedented power will likely only make things worse.


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triciamarie
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posted 21 April 2008 04:46 PM      Profile for triciamarie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well I don't know about Quebec but in Ontario guest workers are entitled to WSIB benefits if they work in an industry with mandatory coverage under the Act. In fact the WSIB has a satellite office in Leamington providing service for the thousands of migrant workers employed in the greenhouses there.

You don't even technically need to have any kind of citizenship or residency or work permit to claim WSIB benefits, although it is more difficult to prove employment if there are no tax returns. But I have seen at least one recent decision where benefits were paid in that circumstance. As I recall there was some question whether full benefits should continue to be paid based on the Canadian wage rates, or if benefits should revert to the going rate in Jamaica at the point when the worker returned home at the end of his contract. Or that may have been a different case.

Anyway, the bigger hurdle for these workers or anyone else in that circumstance would be to establish causation for cancer related to normal use of household cleaning products.

Also in Ontario, domestic workers employed fewer than 24 hours a week don't have mandatory coverage under the Act. However, if one domestic worker is employed by more than one family and the total weekly hours amounts to 24 or more, they're covered.


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quote:
Originally posted by martin dufresne:
I was at a magazine launch last week (Labour, Capital and Society) at Concordia U. and a woman from PINAY, a Montreal-based Phillipine workers associatio,n told us that domestic migrant workers were not allowed to claim workmen's comensation/CSST benefits because Canada refused to sign an international convention on migrant workers rights.

Martin, are you sure about this? I remembered efforts at unionization of migrant farm workers, and found this article from 2006:

quote:
About 20,000 workers from Mexico and the Caribbean are brought to Canada to work on farms each year, where they plant and harvest fruit and vegetable crops.

Their contracts are set up bilaterally by their home country's governments and Canadian officials, under the Seasonal Agricultural Worker Program.

The contracts offer basic agricultural wages and living standards along with minimal deductions and health care, but often workers aren't aware of it, said Roberto Nieto, who co-ordinates the Migrant Workers' Support Centre in Montreal.

"They don't even know they have the right to see a doctor, or that they have a medicare card, and that they're also covered by the CSST [Quebec's work and safety board], and that they're covered by private insurance for which they've paid," said Nieto.


Have these people contacted the Centre d'appui pour les travailleurs agricoles migrants for info?


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martin dufresne
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posted 21 April 2008 09:56 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Andrea Galvez Gonzalez of that group was also in the room, as a speaker, so it's not as if these women are misinformed. But it was my mistake to conflate above the situations of agricultural and domestic workers. Each faces different problems. The woman from PINAY (Tess Tesalona, I think) was discussing domestic workers' issues with the CSST. She said that their recourse to the Commission sur la santé et la sécurité au travail and indeed to the Quebec hospital system remained impossible because of Canada's refusal to sign that international convention onmigrant workers' rights.
I acknowledge that none of you seem to know (or care) whether the NDP has taken a stand on this, so let's forget it. I'll write MM. Mulcair & Layton...

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andrea79
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posted 26 June 2008 07:34 PM      Profile for andrea79     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hi guys

live in care givers are not covered by the CSST in quebec because domestic work is not considered @work@ by the provincial board... (gender-class-race issues...)

migrant agricultural workers, on the other hand, are covered in theory by the CSST (the employers pay for this coverage)... in practice, they have little or no knowledge of this right and when they do, they rely on the employer and or the consular staff to walk them trough the process...

so it's not because live in care givers are migrants that they're not covered, but rather because of the CSST definition of a worker excludes them... if they want to get protection, they have to do it by themselves, as autonomous workers -which is ridiculous-

see you all,

andrea galvez


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