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Lima Bean
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posted 24 September 2002 03:21 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A couple questions related to the subject heading:

1. Does anyone have some quick and effective frustration beaters? I'm stuck working on a project that has me pulling my hair out, but I've got to get it done and don't have time to find a punching bag or go for a walk in the park.

2. I've been working in offices for the last few years and I'm tired of it (see above). I want to find a different kind of job, but my imagination is so stunted from all these years under flourescents that I can't even figure where to look first. Tips anyone?

3. Why can't working be more fun???

please help....


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paxamillion
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posted 24 September 2002 03:24 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Abraham Lincoln was fond of the following quote: "And this too shall pass away." Works for me -- well, sometimes.
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Lima Bean
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posted 24 September 2002 03:27 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mom always says that to me, but it doesn't often alleviate whatever torment has beset me at the time....

What's your job?? Is it fun for you?

Can we switch?


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paxamillion
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posted 24 September 2002 03:34 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No quote is a "magic bullet", Bean. That's life I'm afraid. I think that these sorts of quotes have to sink in over time, and shape our perceptions gradually.

My job has its good times and bad times, like most I speculate. For now, I think I'll keep it.

One thing I have learned is that changing jobs doesn't necessarily lead to a longer-term reduction in frustration level -- because I take myself along to the next opportunity. Changing my outlook, however, has been more effective.


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Lima Bean
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posted 24 September 2002 03:54 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well yes, of course it is the honest truth that all things pass in time. It just happened to me. The great source of frustration that drove me to post has, I hope, been resolved. Fingers crossed. Please, please...


But it is also the truth that sometimes it takes more than an attitude adjustment for life to be more pleasant. Sometimes a person has to change their real, material situation. Like me, for instance, who really needs to find a different kind of job before I go off the deep end, pushed over the edge by three too many triplicate photocopies.

There must be some other way to earn my living...

[ September 24, 2002: Message edited by: Lima Bean ]


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paxamillion
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posted 24 September 2002 04:07 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
But it is also the truth that sometimes it takes more than an attitude adjustment for life to be more pleasant. Sometimes a person has to change their real, material situation.

Absolutely correct. I have left assignments that were simply too "complicated" to continue. I find it hard to know when is the right time to do so. However, I do try altering my perceptions first.


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Lima Bean
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posted 24 September 2002 04:18 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do try to keep positive about my job. I value that it's in the non-profit sector, and I really like all the people that I work with. And it's not hard or dirty or demoralizing work.

I think, though, unfortunately, that the type of work I'm currently doing is just not what I'm best at, and not what I like, and so it's quite frustrating and disheartening.

Some people are really happy in their jobs. How do I get to be one of them?


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paxamillion
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posted 24 September 2002 04:51 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was laid off once, and was given a career counselling package as part of my severance. I could never have afforded the price and I didn't find it that helpful.

I've used the assessment material in the book "What Colour is Your Parachute?" with some success. It helped me to identify the sorts of skills I wanted to use and other factors I wanted in a job. This helped me to narrow the search for the job I'm in now. I know that some people do this kind of assessment process and discover that the jobs they have are actually a better fit than they first appear.


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audra trower williams
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posted 24 September 2002 05:10 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Moving this to "earning and spending" ...
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oldgoat
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posted 24 September 2002 05:16 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lima Bean, I notice your last twelve posts are dated today. Perhaps you've found your form of escapism from work, and you're looking at it.
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Lima Bean
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posted 24 September 2002 05:23 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You caught me!!

I am definitely finding other ways to entertain myself and keep my brain alive while I'm here at work. Thanks to babble, I've still got all my hair.

It can't go on this way, though, of course....


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posted 24 September 2002 05:33 PM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Up to fifteen now.
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clockwork
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posted 24 September 2002 10:00 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
There must be some other way to earn my living...

Yeah, factory work. I get satisfaction knowing I've made my 10,920,836th "industrial shipping sack". Oh, baby, one more bag! Oh, the clank of the sealer bar just gives me a tingly sensation down my spine. Again, again!

And knowing I can wring another foot a minute from my line is, like, orgasmic!


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posted 24 September 2002 11:46 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, so you're unhappy with your job, and nobody gives a shit.
That's normal.
There are no quick fixes.
What you have to do, in quiet moments between crises, is take yourself back to age 10 or so, to a scene of total conentment. That's when you were most truly yourself. What did that kid want? What did that kid believe? What did kid enjoy doing? What did that kid hope to be when it grew up?

This isn't going to help much in your decision, because kids mostly want to do nothing. But going back there and reliving a pleasant experience will definitely help you relax and get in touch in your essential self. Which is probably a goof-off, like the rest of us. That's all right. Visits to a 10-year-old goof-off can be a fun way to stave off burnout. And they just might give you a clue to the direction you should be seeking now. It's more likely to come in the form a sneaking suspicion than a searing revelation. Explore it, fantasize about it, daydream, mull, ponder: all of these activities are relaxation techniques, as well as subversion strategies.
One day, all of a sudden, you will get a picture of yourself doing what you should be doing.


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posted 24 September 2002 11:57 PM      Profile for TommyPaineatWork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
And knowing I can wring another foot a minute from my line is, like, orgasmic!

*gufaw*

I know.

Hey, speaking of which, I gotta run. I'm late already.


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prince
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posted 29 September 2002 01:37 AM      Profile for prince     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An excellent source of contract work for professionals is at this one.
Don't be fooled by the name, this is not a porno or sex site it refers to consulting work around the world. You pick the project and name your price!

[ September 29, 2002: Message edited by: audra estrones ]


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Michelle
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posted 29 September 2002 10:16 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There are also some career booklets out there that are neat. Ones like, "What you can do with an English Degree", except that you would choose the ones that reflect your educational or temperment (argh, is it temperment or temprament or neither?).

If you don't have a degree, you could still use the "English degree" one for ideas, because you sound like you have decent language skills, and that's a bonus.


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Timebandit
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posted 30 September 2002 05:22 PM      Profile for Timebandit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's temperament.
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Pogo
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posted 01 October 2002 04:39 AM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Five years ago I was in a dead end job with no prospects. However fate was on my side (I got fired). I took a job that paid less, but is what I liked. I now am paid more and enjoy my job more than when I started. If I was to do it again, I would never take a job unless it met my criteria of what I wanted to be doing for 8+ hours a day. That has a lot to do with what you are good at and are happy doing.

If I was in a position again where my job was an anchor on my back, I would first examine where I wanted to be and what I wanted to be doing. Then I would take steps to get there (night courses, joining a professional association, etc...). Sometimes just taking baby steps towards a career you desire, helps to break the monotony of a dead-end job.


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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2002 09:27 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh. When I started to get bored with being a secretary, I quit, took out a huge, crippling student loan, and went to university to study philosophy.

I'll let you know in 14 months (when I graduate, woo hoo!) how it all turned out.


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posted 01 October 2002 11:06 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You could study history, but there's no future in it.
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'lance
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posted 01 October 2002 11:13 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It does seem like just one thing after another, doesn't it.
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Lima Bean
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posted 01 October 2002 11:22 AM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some days are better than others, and you're right, Pogo, about the baby steps. I'm developing a plan for some career moves and it is really helping me gain perspective on the day-today monotony.

Soon...soon!!


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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2002 11:34 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Paxamillion, that's what I figured too. So I chose Philosophy instead.

You want fries with that?


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Lima Bean
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posted 01 October 2002 12:10 PM      Profile for Lima Bean   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But with an English degree, you'd be qualified to answer the telephone!!
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Michelle
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posted 01 October 2002 01:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was qualified to do that before I even went to university! It takes a philosophy degree, though, to really shine at Mickey-dees.
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posted 02 October 2002 03:18 PM      Profile for karen2        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Working at a job you dislike just isn't worth it. Don't believe those you tel you "that's life," etc.

I agree with those who suggest should assess what you would like to do, then take steps to get there. Of maybe what you're doing is OK, you just don't like being in an office. Or you don't like the nine to five routine.

I have a job I love, and everyday I actually think "I can't believe I'm doing this and getting paid". You can't beat this kind of thing.... even if it pays less than what you're getting now.


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posted 02 October 2002 08:36 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I've lost the link for this but it comes from something Ben Stein (of "Ben Stein's Money) posted:

Careers

MONDAY, DECEMBER 18, 2000
Articles | Ask the experts
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The Rules of the Game
Celebrity bon vivant Ben Stein offers helpful advice for the hardworking.

By Ben Stein

When I think about jobs and money and success, I am drawn to memories of a
boy I will call Phil.
He and I were in college together. He was always a quiet, unobtrusive
fellow, but no student. He
was not physically prepossessing--more pudgy, sweaty, and hairy--and he
certainly lacked even
a shred of charm. Phil is also the richest man I know. And I barely know
him now because he still
lacks even a shred of charm and can really only talk about how rich he is.

Rule 1: Find the Right Business
So why are the fantastically smart boys and girls I went to school with
still struggling as law school
teachers, trying to make that next payment on a Camry? Why did they become
corporate lawyers,
happy if they can balance a home and a vacation house? Why did they become
doctors, wondering
if they can get by until Medicare cares to send them their next
reimbursement? How did Phil, of all
people, get so rich?

Because he followed the number one rule of making money: he got into a good
business. By total
chance, mostly because he could not find another thing to do, he went to
work for a well-to-do
retired scientist. That scientist became a venture capitalist. He had Phil
bring coffee to the meetings.
Then, because he trusted Phil, he brought him in as a partner in his
business. And this was in the late
1960s, when venture capital lived in the servants' quarters of capitalism.


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No amount of money compensates for the horror of working at a job where the
blood flows backward
in your veins as you do your daily tasks.
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Times changed. Venture capital turned out to be one of the great businesses
of all time. If you are
involved with it, you cannot help but make a killing. You can be a pleasant
guy--well, not really pleasant,
but passable--and still make a fortune just on the lucky shots. Meanwhile,
there is no money to be
made in teaching and little to be made in law, unless you're in the
plaintiffs' class action bar. That's
almost as good as venture capital. Nowadays, it seems, you won't get rich
in medicine unless you're
in elective surgery.

Thus, I offer the main rule of making money in your career: go into a
career where people actually
make money. This would include finance of most kinds, but mostly investment
baking and venture
capital. Huge amounts of money slosh through those fields. You need only
have a tiny bit stick to your
fingers and you're all set. On the other hand, tiny little dribs and drabs
drip through academe, unless
you work in the endowment side. And even if you get an endowed
professorship, you might live on peanuts.

You may hate working in a counting house. And, of course, the old cliche
dictates that you must
work in a field you like. That's true. No amount of money compensates for
the horror of working at
a job where the blood flows backward in your veins as you do your daily
tasks. It is far better to work
at a poorly paid job you enjoy than to spend your one and only life doing
time.

Rule 2: Don't Settle
But how happy can you be if you're broke all of the time? Yes, a few saints
can work for low or no
pay and still love it. But it's far better to find the work you love and
the salary you want. Hence, I offer
rule number two: try a lot of different things in the work department
before you settle on something--and
even then, don't settle. You do not know your range of talents unless you
venture into a number of
different fields. If you venture into enough of them, you will likely find
one that you enjoy and that pays
a good wage. In a nutshell, commit yourself to activity and inner mobility,
the logic of the cowboy, which
I long ago described as "Bunkhouse Logic."

Rule 3: There's No Substitute For Hard Work
Rule three: work hard. No one will want you and you will be of negative
utility to your employers unless
you work hard. By this I do not mean working until midnight during the week
and every Saturday or Sunday.
You should focus on what you are doing, pay attention, don't talk to your
girlfriend on the phone, don't listen
to the radio. Learn from those around you and get your assigned tasks done.
No employer benefits from
lazy and disorganized personnel. Remember that you are always your own
employer; you derive most of
the benefit of your labor, such as it is.

If you make yourself into a well-oiled (preferably not with alcohol)
machine, you will reap the rewards for life.
There is no payoff in being lazy on the job, and none from being surly, and
none from disorganization. Learn
this, pay attention to it, and you will be far ahead of the game.

Rule 4: Learn All You Can
Keep learning about the world around you. You cannot expect that you have
gotten a lifetime's worth of
knowledge in any school. You have to add to it constantly. Read, read, read
about your field and others
that interest you.

Finally, and of vital importance, I would advise you to save money. Save
enough so that you can change
jobs, take time off to consider your direction, and follow another path.
In this life, savings are not an option
but a necessity. The more you have, the freer you are to make something
happen in a big way. And you
will also be preparing for a less active life, which we all confront at
some point.

Were you taking notes?

Work in a good business
Work in a good business that you enjoy
Try new things
Be active
Be effective and productive in your work
Stay informed about your world
Save money
That's it for now. Class dismissed.


Ben Stein is a lawyer and economist by training. He is also the host and
writer of Win Ben Stein's Money
and Turn Ben Stein On, both on the Comedy Central network.


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