WTF.

BTW not to be a rabid nationalist, but couldn't you have directed some viewers CBC's way?

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No one ever said is was easy to be a small country, a democracy, of a few million Israelis parked in the middle of deserts surrounding you containing 150,000,000 Arabs.

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No one ever said is was easy to be a small country, a democracy, of a few million Israelis parked in the middle of deserts surrounding you containing 150,000,000 Arabs.

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...And if Israel is a democracy, that would explain why the only way to export it is through violence and mass murder.

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Originally posted by Proudtobeadp:
No one ever said is was easy to be a small country, a democracy, of a few million Israelis parked in the middle of deserts surrounding you containing 150,000,000 Arabs.

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Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
Did this take place in Isreal proper or the occupied territories?

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You have a very cynical view of democracy

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So is it all right to murder children in either place?

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[ 14 May 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]

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Originally posted by siren:
The Israeli army regularly breaks down walls in Palestinian homes to get to adjacent homes?

WTF.

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I'm not sure if you're being funny or not... But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and describe a pretty typical Israeli urban operation:

1. Israeli forces located on hills surrounding town create covering fire of target area with machine gun fire, or pepper it with concussion grenades. Keeps everyone indoors.

2. Insert section sized teams (~4) via APCs. Teams blow steel doors off of homes with explosives, storm house, hold family at gunpoint.
Once they've got the first home, they'll grab a young man to use as a human shield in their continued house-to-house operations.

3. At this point, soldiers needn't expose themselves to the outside. Due to the density of housing and building practices, they can go from home to home by blowing holes in walls.

4. They'll keep this up until either they reach a target home, or until daybreak comes, at which point they'll take refuge in one of the homes, using the resident family as hostages. They will steal what valuables they find, and are able to carry, such as jewellry and cash.

5. During the day, if the soldiers havn't left, the town is under de-facto curfew, due to the likelhood of Israeli snipers posted on the roofs of occupied homes. They are jumpy, and it's better not to risk that trip to see how the neighbors are doing.

6. This will continue for one night or two, until they leave the same way they came, undering covering fire.

Behind them, they leave terrified kids, and smashed homes. There is usually some human colatteral damage during these operations, either from the covering fire, or from soldiers who are either just jumpy, or looking to bag a kill.

This happens several times a month in urban areas.

This video does not document an exception, but a very common operation.

HTH.

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Originally posted by Legless-Marine:
I'm not sure if you're being funny or not...

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What the fuck would be funny about any of it.

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Originally posted by siren:

What the fuck would be funny about any of it.

It's not a question.

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Goodness, there's no need to cuss at me.

Your question: "The Israeli army regularly breaks down walls in Palestinian homes to get to adjacent homes?" struck me as quite naive, and It was unclear if it was coming from a place of levity, denial, or of ignorance.

Why don't you take a moment to show us how really angry you are, and send a few bucks to UNWRA, instead of exercising your activist spirit by cussing at people on a message board?

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Originally posted by unionist:
Everyone except Legless-Marine understood siren's post as showing shock - not questioning whether the Israeli army breaks down walls. But in his typical fashion, he has to compound his misreading of a simple plain post by hectoring, superciliousness, and humiliation.

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I am shocked at Siren's shock.

It's hard to believe that there are still people out there, particularly within an activist community, that are ignorant of the depths of Israel hate and callousness.

I really don't know how it is possible to maintain such wilful ignorance, considering the wealth of information on the topic.

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Originally posted by unionist:

What's wrong with a simple, "I'm sorry, siren, I misunderstood?" Would that signify some sort of defeat?

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I'm not really sure what you're getting at about apologies and defeats, but I do know that there's no good reason to go around cussing at people.

Were I a less patient fellow, I'd special-order some moderation by filing a complaint, but I'm content to simply call foul.

Not for you to apologize, but entre nous ...

I am shocked Legless-Marine doesn't know the meaning of the word, "hectoring".

It's hard to believe that there are still people out there, particularly within an activist community which uses the English language all the time, that are ignorant of the depths of language. I wonder if he also doesn't know about:

1. Dictionaries, and that they are arranged alphabetically.

2. Synonyms, very often used to add variety to the language.

3. Antonyms, see above.

4. That WTF stands for, "what the fuck", which LM quoted before his illuminating lecture.

5. That someone posting as Legless-Marine can profess to be shocked by the word, "fuck".

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Originally posted by unionist:
And I'm also sorry I made him look something up.

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Originally posted by siren:
unionist, I am actually surprised at how angry Legless-Marine's comment made me.

Not for you to apologize, but entre nous ...

I am shocked Legless-Marine doesn't know the meaning of the word, "hectoring".

It's hard to believe that there are still people out there, particularly within an activist community which uses the English language all the time, that are ignorant of the depths of language. I wonder if he also doesn't know about:

1. Dictionaries, and that they are arranged alphabetically.

2. Synonyms, very often used to add variety to the language.

3. Antonyms, see above.

4. That WTF stands for, "what the fuck", which LM quoted before his illuminating lecture.

5. That someone posting as Legless-Marine can profess to be shocked by the word, "fuck".

I really don't know how it is possible to maintain such wilful ignorance, considering the wealth of information on these topics.

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