quote:US soldiers are luring Iraqis to their deaths by scattering military equipment on the ground as "bait", and then shooting those who pick them up, it has been alleged at a court martial. The highly controversial tactic, which has hitherto been kept secret, is believed to have been responsible for the deaths of a number of Iraqis who were subsequently classified as enemy combatants and used in statistics to show the "success" of the "surge" in US forces.
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Michelle
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posted 25 September 2007 02:11 AM
There really isn't any low they won't stoop to, is there?
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Cueball
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posted 25 September 2007 02:33 AM
Well. I figure, that pretty much any Iraqi street kid is going to pick up an Ak47 worth a few hundred bucks, not to mention the added personal security.
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posted 25 September 2007 03:00 AM
To pick up a lost or discarded weapons, that children might not come upon them, would be considered a socially responsible act by members of a civilized society, not an act to get killed for.
And if one should want to retain the weapon, why not? Your country has been illegally attacked and occupied and made more violent. Some among the occupiers, clearly and demonstrably, include murderous, sub-human scum.
quote:Originally posted by bliter: To pick up a lost or discarded weapons, that children might not come upon them, would be considered a socially responsible act by members of a civilized society, not an act to get killed for.
That is true too.
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posted 25 September 2007 03:50 AM
Just to be clear, I meant the US troops, not the people picking up the weapons.
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Cueball
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posted 25 September 2007 03:55 AM
The question is here, where the "policy" comes from, or if it is a policy, or just personal initiative.
These things can be a real dilema for soldiers when they get encouraged to do things that are not really orders. Not that they should not refuse such orders, or encouragments, but therein lies the dilema, and being ordered to do something allieviates the personal responsibility and helps to smooth over any misgivings.
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posted 25 September 2007 10:55 AM
This has got to be one of the sickest things I read..It's right up there with abu grey torture and the "not to be made public" tapes of american soldiers sodomizing Iraq boys..right up there with Afghan soldiers placing talibans in shipping containers on extremely hot days till they turn to charcoal..etc etc. Were the new civil Afghanistan thanks to Canada????
And you got to wonder where Canada's head is while all this is going on....are we not feeding this terror by supporting it. By WE I mean all those conservative pro Iraq war chest thumper's and media outlets.
The American version of the story isolates it too a sniper who lured an Iraq with a detonator cord..which brings up the total and utter gullibility and stupidity of the American people when it comes to stories like this.
posted 25 September 2007 11:17 AM
There is worse, mind you. The US, Saudi and Pakistani sponsored "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan included in their bag of tricks the odious practice of booby-trapping children's toys. Young kids in the Soviet-sponsored schools would pick up the shiny objects in the schoolyard and "Blam!" You can guess the rest. I have not heard that the Taliban and others opposed to the NATO occupation have continued that practice.
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Cueball
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posted 26 September 2007 11:58 AM
US soldiers shoot unarmed suspects in the back.
WARNING: Graphic war footage.
Am I wrong, or does the guy say repeatedly "get the dog" (meaning the dog by the side of the road), at 27 seconds into the clip.
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bliter
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posted 26 September 2007 04:24 PM
Thanks for the warning. I did not watch the YouTube clip for the same reason that I wouldn't watch a snuff movie or execution.
I have no doubt that what the clip portrays is going on - probably much more than is reported. I'm sure there are many dirty little secrets, surrounding this occupation of Iraq, that the military prefer remain so.
posted 26 September 2007 04:27 PM
Personally, I would like to see this kind of thing on the 6:00 o'clock news.
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posted 26 September 2007 06:04 PM
Me too. Good luck, eh? Support Our Troops.
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Cueball
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posted 28 September 2007 10:31 PM
quote:In the May shooting, Sgt. Evan Vela of Rigby, Idaho, said Hensley told him to shoot the man, who had stumbled upon their snipers' hide-out, although he was not armed and had his hands in the air when he approached the soldiers.
"He (Hensley) asked me if I was ready. I had the pistol out. I heard the word shoot. I don't remember pulling the trigger. It took me a second to realize that the shot came from the pistol in my hand," Vela testified, crying.
Vela said that as the Iraqi man was convulsing on the ground, "Hensley kind of laughed about it and hit the guy on the throat and said shoot again."
"After he (the Iraqi man) was shot, Hensley pulled an AK-47 out of his rucksack and said, 'This is what we are going to say happened,'" said Vela, who testified on Thursday under a deal that bars his account of events from being used against him when he goes to trial. Sandoval also was acquitted Friday of charges he planted the weapon on the second man's body.
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