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kim2
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posted 20 December 2007 11:39 AM

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/071220/national/crime_double_killing

Is this misogyny or patriarchy?

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Michelle
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posted 20 December 2007 11:43 AM

I don't see what this has to do with feminism. Perhaps you could explain? Keeping in mind, of course, the mandate of this forum.

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Scout
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posted 20 December 2007 01:06 PM

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misogyny or patriarchy

I'd like to know what you think the difference is between the 2 terms that would require a choice of one or another?

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Michelle
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posted 20 December 2007 01:35 PM

And I'd still like to know what either of them have to do with the story posted, unless this thread is simply supposed to be a way for kim2 to be sarcastic. In which case, I think it might be better off closed, as I don't really feel like moderating another war in the feminism forum today.

Let me know anytime, kim2. I'd be happy to leave this open if there's a point to it that I'm missing. (That's always possible!)

[ 20 December 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]

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kim2
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posted 20 December 2007 02:30 PM

Well, the reason I asked the question was to further understand the logic of what is commonly called patriarchy and misogyny. Yesterday, during the discussion of the Muslim man who killed his daughter, I raised the question;

" But it is ok when "men" are blamed for what happened to her?"

and received the following response.

"Men" aren't being blamed, misogyny and the culture of men are."

I read the above linked article this morning and I thought that it related directly to this discussion. I couldn't post it in the other thread as it was closed.

If the culture of men, misogyny and patriarchy are to be blamed for all violence against women, how does this relate to another culture of men, that being the protection of women and children?

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Michelle
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posted 20 December 2007 02:35 PM

Okay, so if I'm hearing you right, you're asking us whether or not a man jumping in front of a bullet to save his girlfriend's life is an act of patriarchy or misogyny?

Is this a serious question you're asking in the opening post? You're seriously thinking to yourself, "Hey, I think that this guy saving his girlfriend's life is probably an act of patriarchy or misogyny. But I'm not sure. Why don't I ask the feminists on babble for clarification."

Was the opening post a sincere request for a respectful discussion about whether a man taking a bullet for his beloved girlfriend is an example of patriarchy or misogyny?

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kim2
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posted 20 December 2007 02:46 PM

"Was the opening post a sincere request for a respectful discussion about whether a man taking a bullet for his beloved girlfriend is an example of patriarchy or misogyny?"

Yes. I think it relates to the age old custom of 'women and children first'.

Isn't that a patriarchal attitude?

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Michelle
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posted 20 December 2007 02:51 PM

But you weren't sure whether it was patriarchy or MISOGYNY? You were seriously asking for clarification about whether or not taking a bullet for someone you love is an act of hate?

I can see people discussing whether chivalry or the notion that women need protection from men is patriarchy or not.

But that's not what you asked in your opening post. You asked us whether or not a man taking a bullet for his girlfriend is patriarchy or misogyny. Were you seriously thinking, "Hey, I'm not sure whether he saved her life because he hates her or because he felt that it was his role as a man to protect her. Why don't I ask the feminists on babble to help me with this question?"

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Catchfire
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posted 20 December 2007 02:51 PM

This is nonsense.

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Michelle
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posted 20 December 2007 02:54 PM

Not necessarily. Maybe kim2 really wanted to know whether or not a man saving his wife's life at the cost of his own is an act of hatred against women.

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kim2
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posted 20 December 2007 03:05 PM

Perhaps I shouldn't have included misogyny in the question.

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Michelle
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posted 20 December 2007 03:07 PM

Perhaps not.

In that case, I think I'll close this so that there won't be any misunderstandings about what you meant.

If anyone would like to start a thread, without being disingenuous or passive-aggressive, about whether or not chivalry or the idea that it's men's role to protect women is a product of patriarchal ideas, please feel free to do that.

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