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Hephaestion
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posted 09 June 2005 08:33 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oil field workers say, "Piss on these tests!"

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Oil-patch employees and other Albertans are increasingly buying real and synthetic urine to pass workplace drug tests, sellers say.

The oil-and-gas industry uses drug testing to ensure workers are fit to perform in potentially dangerous environments.

One oilfield worker, who runs a machine that lifts thousands of tonnes of machinery, said he smokes marijuana after hours and has purchased the substitute urine to pass the tests.

"At work, I don't smoke marijuana," the man told CBC News on condition of anonymity.

"Actually, I'm missing my two front teeth because of another fellow who was smoking weed on the job."

He said the urine, which can be purchased at retail and online stores and costs less than $50, is the only way to get around increasingly sophisticated drug tests.



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Agent 204
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posted 09 June 2005 08:39 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jello Biafra was predicting this almost twenty years ago.

Actually, when I was looking for environmental work, I came across a couple of companies (mostly Alberta-based) that piss test their employers. I ruled them out for further consideration (oops... did I admit something??) but I'm wondering now. If an employer is going to piss test you, do they have to tell you before they hire you?


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Anchoress
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posted 09 June 2005 08:44 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm... I wonder where I can sign up to sell MY pee?
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posted 09 June 2005 08:56 AM      Profile for sub lite   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Anchoress:
Hmmm... I wonder where I can sign up to sell MY pee?
I wonder what else the companies are testing the urine for? Hee, and the possible mixups with purchased urine.

"By the way, Mr. Jones, you passed the drug test, but also, congratulations on your pregnancy!"

"Ms. Smith, you're clean on the drug test, but you may want to get your prostate checked!"

Heh. The wonders of medical science.


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Anchoress
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posted 09 June 2005 08:59 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Finally, I know what to call all those jars in my fridge: Culture Jamming! Take that, ex-boyfriend's parents!
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Suzette
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posted 09 June 2005 09:00 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
eBay by the looks of it, Anchoress.
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Anchoress
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posted 09 June 2005 09:03 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Suzette! Back in 5!
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posted 09 June 2005 09:07 AM      Profile for sub lite   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
FREEZE DRIED urine?! Ugh.

"Just add water" indeed. Thanks a lot, Suzette... *sigh*, the crazy things people will buy/sell on ebay.


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kuri
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posted 09 June 2005 09:12 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not sure what to think about this. I wouldn't like the intrusion either, but there's some genuine safety issues when it comes to handling heavy equipment when under the influence of drugs. That said, the urine tests obviously aren't working and I think anyone who know rig-workers has probably heard more than one tale of stupid and dangerous things people did while drunk/stoned at work.
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I actually had no idea there was a market out there for this until I did that search a few minutes ago. I didn't notice any "natural" pee on eBay, but unless it's illegal I'd seriously consider selling mine. I've been meaning to drink more water anyway, and I'm totally over my current job...
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posted 09 June 2005 09:27 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but it's not just people who operate heavy machinery that get urine-tested. I just read Nickel and Dimed a few weeks ago, and the author was amazed to find that almost every low-income job, from maid companies to Walmart, urine tests their employees. Even if you just have a joint on the weekend occasionally, no job for you. And somehow I doubt that handling those bras and underwear while stoned is going to put anyone in danger. If a manager notices a person coming to work drunk or stoned, they can always fire them at that point.
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posted 09 June 2005 09:39 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[Capitalist]I don't believe in urine tests. They set a bad precedent, making employees think it's OK to use the bathroom on company time.[/Capitalist]
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Suzette
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posted 09 June 2005 09:42 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Would the cost of purchasing clean urine be tax-deductable?
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James
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Urine testing in anything except safety sensitive jobs, such as refinery workers, pilots, etc. is illegal in Ontario and most, if not all provinces.

Drug testing of employees ruled illegal
Ontario court of appeal

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Canadian employers are free to impose random alcohol tests on their workers, but drug testing contravenes the law, according to a landmark ruling on employee privacy rights released yesterday by the Ontario Court of Appeal.

The province's highest court says companies that wish to ensure safety in their workplaces can carry out Breathalyzer tests on employees and job applicants. But demanding urine samples for drug tests is a violation of human-rights law and scientifically ineffective.

The decision stems from an appeal by Imperial Oil Ltd. of a 1996 ruling by the Ontario Human Rights Commission, which said the company's drug and alcohol testing policy was illegal. Yesterday's decision comes from the most senior provincial court to examine the issue. Its findings are expected to guide workplace practices across the country.

"This is a clear and huge victory for the Ontario Human Rights Commission," said Marvin Huberman, the agency's lawyer. "There are a great number of companies that were very cautious in how to proceed. This now clarifies the law."
- snip-



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Anchoress
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posted 10 June 2005 07:24 AM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tie-in, anyone?

Urinetown tops nominees for Dora Mavor Moore Awards

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The self-described "absurdist melodrama" Urinetown, set in a futuristic police state where citizens must "pay to pee," leads this year's nominees for Toronto's Dora Mavor Moore Awards.

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Willowdale Wizard
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posted 10 June 2005 08:09 AM      Profile for Willowdale Wizard   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh, great, now i've got this in my head.
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Agent 204
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posted 10 June 2005 08:36 AM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kurichina:
I'm not sure what to think about this. I wouldn't like the intrusion either, but there's some genuine safety issues when it comes to handling heavy equipment when under the influence of drugs.

That would all be very well if the test determined whether or not you were currently under the influence of drugs. Unfortunately, in the case of some drugs (notably pot) all it really tells them is that you used some within the last couple of weeks, which is a very different thing.

I wonder if part of the motivation for these tests (especially in positions where it's not safety related, like the examples Michelle cites) is something different. Maybe they figure that someone who is willing to break one law (against smoking pot) is more likely to break another (against stealing). Of course this is unreasonable, but you don't expect bosses to be reasonable, do you?


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Melsky
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posted 10 June 2005 09:39 AM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Drugs like crystal meth go in and out of your system so fast that they frequently don't show up in a drug test. Pot shows up for up for six weeks. What most tests do is get rid of all the marijuana users. Alchoholics and speed users slip through.

Of course drinking is legal but would you rather have someone with a hangover working or someone who smoked a joint at a party two weeks ago?


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kuri
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The economics of the oil industry (in a 'free market') make it really hard to regulate safety in a meaningful way on this front, I think. Urine tests don't really work, but the alternative, firing someone after they've messed up, isn't always easy either. When the price of oil is high there's a huge scramble to get it out of the ground and sold at the high price. They are really willing to take almost anyone who's minimally qualified (and I do mean very minimally competent, if my dad's assessment of most the younger hires is accurate) because they have to work as fast as possible. So they are really reluctant to fire anyone without a ready replacement. When the price goes down, everything contracts and everyone's out of work, then they can be really picky. There's no security really at all. So I think the urine tests, which I already said were ineffective (they're already happening and there's still issues with people showing up drunk/stoned at work and putting others in danger) are more of a symptom than a cause of messed up labour relations.

As for the people who want to sell their urine, would it matter that much for hormones, etc? I don't imagine the following has much basis in reality, but I remember some sitcom or movie or something where one of the characters had to take urine tests as a condition of his probation and bought some urine from another (female) character because he knew he would fail. Then when he gets the results back he's told that he's pregnant. *ba-dum-Pish!*


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posted 10 June 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Performance based testing

From the article:
Also called fitness-for-duty or performance-based testing, impairment testing measures whether or not an employee is alert enough for work. From early tests that required participants to keep a cursor on track during a video game-like simulation, the industry has evolved toward a focus on evaluation through eye movements. In the impairment testing equipment from Eye Dynamics of Torrance, California (www.eyedynamics.com), which should be released in about a year, the employee looks into a dark viewport, then follows a light with his or her eyes. "What the light does mimics a sobriety test for probable cause," says board chairman Ron Waldorf.


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posted 10 June 2005 10:55 AM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's interesting, Melsky. Especially since it would also red-flag people who are sleep-deprived. I can see both positive and negative possibilities to that.
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Melsky
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posted 10 June 2005 01:27 PM      Profile for Melsky   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by kurichina:
That's interesting, Melsky. Especially since it would also red-flag people who are sleep-deprived. I can see both positive and negative possibilities to that.

That's true. But as many problems as I have with insomnia, I think the citizens of Toronto are lucky I'm not driving a bus right now.

I'd like to see a non-punitive aproach to this. Employees with sleep problems that cause performance issues should be helped by seeing a doctor. I'm going to be discussing my insomnia with my doctor at my physical next month. If I was working outside my home and having these problems I'd make it a priority to get help.


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posted 10 June 2005 01:49 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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In 1992 Imperial Oil imposed alcohol and drug testing on employees at two Ontario refineries. Its policy required Martin Entrop, a control board operator in Sarnia, Ont., to reveal that he suffered from alcohol abuse in the early 1980s. Mr. Entrop had not had a drink for seven years, but because he worked in a "safety-sensitive" area -- where impaired performance could lead to catastrophe -- he was removed from his job and given another position at the refinery.

Although Mr. Entrop was eventually reinstated, he complained to the Human Rights Commission. Alcohol or drug addiction is considered a "handicap" in human rights law, and Mr. Entrop said Imperial Oil discriminated against him because of his handicap.

The Commission upheld Mr. Entrop's complaint and decided that Imperial Oil's policy breached the Ontario Human Rights Code. The agency also awarded Mr. Entrop more than $21,000 in damages, partly for the "mental anguish" the agency said Mr. Entrop had suffered through the affair.


How's that for fair? Force someone to reveal previous problems with substances and then take him from his job. This was Exxon and Imperial's way to respond to the Exxon Valdez disaster -- the super tanker with a drunk captain in his quarters and an unqualified pilot at the helm.

Fortunately saner heads prevailed.


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