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Gaia_Child
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posted 27 February 2004 02:33 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Been chatting a lot with this guy. Looks like we might be hooking up in short order.

I know it is premature, since I have no idea whether we will last 1 week or 1 lifetime. But, since I overanlayze everything else, here it goes...

He drives an SUV. And I imagine given his location in the province, that if we ever shacked up, I would end up driving it too. Picking him up at work, going to the next town over.

Is that wrong and unethical? Can you have a name like "Gaia_Child" and drive an SUV? What gives?


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Gaia_Child
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posted 27 February 2004 02:34 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And the repsonse doesn't just have to cover SUVs. I would be equally curious about the interaction between your ideals and the reality of consumer society, your consumer desire, and family and lovers who have somewhat different priorities and vlaues.
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posted 27 February 2004 02:35 PM      Profile for Scout     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It really depends on the type of "SUV". They aren't all created equal. A Jeep Liberty isn't even close to a Yukon Denali for example.
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posted 27 February 2004 02:36 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
People have been dumped for worse reasons.
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posted 27 February 2004 03:13 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SUV's get a lot of bad press; mostly because they got popular in suburbs. A shiny SUV is a sign of status, not utility. Back in the bush, one is more inclined to see rusty F250 crewcabs, because they take the punishment of bad roads. The big, fancy, shiny, luxurious SUVs never go off pavement.

I guess what I'm saying is that there is a big difference between city and rural life, and vehicles reflect that.

[ 27 February 2004: Message edited by: Cougyr ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 27 February 2004 03:39 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
G_C: are you asking because of your personal feelings regarding SUVs? Or are you asking because of other people's personal feelings about SUVs? Your question sounds a little something like "I find my b/f's back hair cute, but when we go to the beach..."
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lagatta
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posted 27 February 2004 04:34 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, it is a question of ethics, not aesthetics, it is not like others saying one's boyfriend is too hairy or a "98-pound-weakling" or one's girlfriend has buck-teeth, "skinny legs", or is "too damn fat".

Unless he lived in a rural area or had a job that made driving such a thing useful and appropriate (some people have vehicles like Jimmys or Jeeps to haul stuff, etc.) I'd really have problems with it, as it would tend to indicate a dire lack of concern for the environment. At the least, I'd find out why he was driving such a thing.

But then, I'm very sectarian, so often alone, I do NOT think love overcomes fundamental political differences.


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posted 27 February 2004 04:49 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not suggesting it's a question of ethics. I'm asking whether G_C is asking the question because he himself disapproves of SUVs enough to not date a man who drives one, or whether G_C's feelings aren't that strong, but he's worried about being seen in one.
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posted 27 February 2004 04:50 PM      Profile for .     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Gaia_Child,

If he's the hottest thing out there, you should bang him like a drum. Don't worry about the SUV until you're getting bored and thinking of reasons to dump him. Besides, the back of an SUV is roomier than a subcompact.

Love,
Abby

p. s. Some guy in Saskatoon is going to owe me big time.


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Briguy
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posted 27 February 2004 05:54 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What about the other possibility? Perhaps he's, er, compensating for something by buying an SUV? I'm just sayin'.
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Gaia_Child
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posted 27 February 2004 06:06 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, he does live in a rural area. I don,t have a problem with rural folks driving 4x4s and the like. Beleive me, in muddy fields, my farmer-uncle can use one. But an SUV ain't exactly better on rural roads than another car.

Dot, you are funny.

Mr. Magoo, both are concerns. I care too much what other people think.

But, quite honestly, no one is perfect. He compensates in many other ways. So I think that is probably enough. But, even though I guess this closes the subject for me, I would still be interested in your stories about the themes I highlighted earlier.


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posted 27 February 2004 09:58 PM      Profile for Klingon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, this ain't much of a labour/economics discussion, but it is interesting.

Gaia Babe! Quit worryin! If ya like the dude and yer fem fatale charm makes him swing then go for it.

Save the SUV question for one of those there's'nuthin-to-do-but-have-a-spat nights.

The problem with SUVs isn't the vehicles themselves. Rather it is how they are used.

For example, I drive a Chev Suburban. That ain't an SUV. It's an actual truck chasis with an extended seating cab made for carrying lots of people. I have a large family, and I often have to transport newspapers when needed.

I live in the city, but my work sometimes means I have to travel over mountain passes in very poor weather. In addition, we do go hiking and off-roading a lot for fun. So, the 4-wheel drive comes in handy.

So, I would say the Suburban is appropriate for my needs, although it's a damn pig on gas and obviously a polluter.

But I know many people, including some "progressives," who drive SUVs or light trucks who also live in the city, don't have large families, and never need to use the 4-wheel drive.

THis is wasteful and puts more fuel emissions into the air unnecessarily. If you look at much of the ads around SUVs, they are pushing the idea of some sort of fashion statement, rather than something you might actually need.

So if yer squeeze lives in a rural area, has to deal with rough roads and adverse weather, an SUV might be just the right vehicle to get around in.


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Klingon
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posted 27 February 2004 10:00 PM      Profile for Klingon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just a PS,

There's this tune, I believe it's by Sheryl Crow. The first verse is catchy:

My boyfriend's a communist
He holds meetings in his RV
I can't afford his gas
So I just sit around watching TV

....and you think you got problems!!


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Jingles
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posted 28 February 2004 12:00 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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For example, I drive a Chev Suburban. That ain't an SUV. It's an actual truck chasis with an extended seating cab made for carrying lots of people. I have a large family, and I often have to transport newspapers when needed.

Uhh..Dude, that is an SUV, the same way a Ford Expedition is a F-150 chassis and an Excursion is an F-250 chassis, and the H-2 is a GMC Sierra. All truck chassis with bigger bodies.

Wouldn't a minivan haul the family and cargo just as well? Better on gas too. Unless those mountain passes are unpaved, a van will do just fine. After all, I could take my old Civic hatchback to places trucks couldn't go.

I'm not picking on you Klingon, I'm just pointing out that no matter what choice people make, they can always find a justification for it. The excuse of "living in a rural area" sounds plausible until you think it through and realize that most rural roads in Canada are either paved or very well-maintained gravel. Unless the guy is hauling hay out to his 50 head herd in the back 40, he probably has as much need of a SUV as a Oakville soccer mom.

Besides, no self respecting farmer will be caught dead in something in which he can't haul a sheet of 4'x 8' plywood. Look at any farming community and you'll see lotsa 2 wheel drive pickups, few SUVs.

Oh yeah, dump his ass.

[ 28 February 2004: Message edited by: Jingles ]


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audra trower williams
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posted 28 February 2004 01:40 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Klingon:
Gaia Babe! Quit worryin! If ya like the dude and yer fem fatale charm makes him swing then go for it.

Gaia is a dude, dude.

I don't know how to say that in Klingon.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 28 February 2004 02:58 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I checked the Klingon Dictionary.

Klingons have no word for "gay", "queer" or "homosexual".

Anyone remember the TV show, Soap, and something some woman said to Billy Crystal's character about Texas?

They ain't got no homos on Klingon.


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lagatta
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posted 28 February 2004 10:01 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny, from the name I always assumed Gaia was a grril. I guess it is a nice wordplay on "Gay" and "Gaia" as in Mother Earth - la terre mre est une tante?

p.s. those poor Klingons!!!


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posted 28 February 2004 04:23 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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They ain't got no homos on Klingon.

Sure they do. It's just the love that dare not speak its name there still. But look at them, traipsing about in their leather, looking deep into each others' eyes, loving the pain sticks.... It's clearly a race of gay S&M'ers.

G-C, my guy & me drove an SUV when we lived in a rural area. Needed the four-wheel drive and the hauling. I give all rural people a pass on all SUV-related dilemmas. I never paid much attention to the politics of someone over just hooking up, but it starts to matter more when it's looking like something more long-term.

Things like an SUV don't matter much, but the compatibility of world-views, to me, does. I only relaxed into being with my guy once i knew he also cared about things like peace: that made it feel safe to think about a relationship, as opposed to extended fooling-around.


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posted 28 February 2004 04:30 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Apparently, Klingons don't have any word for "heterosexual", "straight", or "breeder" either. You know what that means, don't you?....yeah, baby...it's all good!. Q'pla, indeed.
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Bacchus
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posted 28 February 2004 05:59 PM      Profile for Bacchus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think truthfully it all depends on the context of why he has it. Was it a gift, he got a deal and thats all he could afford? A Salesman convinced him it was necessary for where he lived? He just wanted to showoff or have a status symbol? Generalities are jsut that, statistically significant but irrevelent in the smaller scale of one on one.
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posted 28 February 2004 06:55 PM      Profile for Agent 204   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The example of a gift is a good one, by the way. A friend of mine who would never buy an SUV has one, because it was given to him by his parents. And no, he's not a spoiled rich kid either- the car is virtually the only thing his parents have ever given him.
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posted 28 February 2004 07:09 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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no matter what choice people make, they can always find a justification for it. The excuse of "living in a rural area" sounds plausible until you think it through and realize that most rural roads in Canada are either paved or very well-maintained gravel.

Yeah, but then you encounter something called Winter in Saskatchewan.

[ 28 February 2004: Message edited by: Gaia_Child ]


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posted 28 February 2004 08:37 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I own a 1985 4x4 Bronco II which I bought from my son. It's the only vehicle I could afford. It's great on gas...I put $20 a month in it unless I use the 4x4 drive, which is rarely.

I need this vehicle to transport my 14ft kayak in the summer. Hope my husband isn't going to divorce me over my ownership of it.!!!!


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posted 28 February 2004 10:38 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
but then you encounter something called Winter in Saskatchewan.

Sure, they have that in Alburda too. But the only time I ever "needed" a 4x4 was when I worked in the 'patch and drove the company truck on the lease roads (mud tracks, actually) to the rig. And the only reason I needed 4x4 then was because the damn thing kept getting stuck. If it was 2 wheel drive, I wouldn't have attempted those roads in the first place. Indeed, there were roads I slogged on foot rather than drive, get stuck, and try to get the Cat to drag me out.

Unless every day is a blizzard, the times that actual 4 wheel drive are needed are few and far between, even on the snowbound prairie. It makes more sense to get a mustang convertible, because the times you can use that are more frequent.

A kayak doesn't fit on a minivan or station wagon? Are they so heavy you need the extra suspension?

Everyone has a great excuse. "Oh, suburban accountants are selfish and overcompensating by owning that Hummer. They don't need such a terrible machine, but mine's different. After all, I wear a cowboy hat, and my Exhibition has the extra headroom I need. Besides, my curb in front of my house is really, really high."

[ 28 February 2004: Message edited by: Jingles ]


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YE P'Tahk! Insult our honour and face death, ye tahrkek!

You are right, we ain't got no "gay" or "homosexual" on Kronos, which is the actual name for the Klingon home world, ye clueless Nadivads, and we ain't got no SUVs either.

Gaia is a woman's name on Kronos. And worrying about cars is useless and wasteful. Get off ye lazy fat arse and walk it. Never mind gas mileage.

Anything that don't involve bleeding, fighting, dying and crippling physical stress is considered weak and timid.

You drive a vehicle with a stereo, reclining seats, adjustable steering wheel and--A'L Q'poch--air conditioning!?!?!

I SHOULD KILL YOU ALL WHERE YOU STAND!

As for you Jingles, and your auto-wisdom, I did own a Plymouth Voyager mini-van. I went through three transmissions in four years because I kept going up long, steep inclines with over-capacity loads.

As for going over mountain passes with paved roads, I got sick and tired of waiting for four $&^(#R$^ hours in some cases for the snowplow to pass by.

ALas, I should give up on earthly vehicles and return to my Klingon roots of riding domesticated targs. Don't need no gas, no transmissions, no 4X.

Just some raw meet and a big heavy stick.


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posted 29 February 2004 02:15 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm going back to bed.
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posted 29 February 2004 05:18 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Klingon:

Just some raw meet and a big heavy stick.

Hm.


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Jingles
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posted 29 February 2004 05:54 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
we ain't got no "gay" or "homosexual" on Kronos,

quote:
Just some raw meet and a big heavy stick.

......


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posted 29 February 2004 05:59 PM      Profile for Mandos   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's not Kronos, anyway, it's more like QonoS.
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posted 29 February 2004 06:30 PM      Profile for Shenanigans   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Wouldn't a minivan haul the family and cargo just as well? Better on gas too. Unless those mountain passes are unpaved, a van will do just fine.

Actually lots of minivans are pretty terrible on snow, and lousy on gas. An Astrovan or Safari only get s a couple gallons more than a Suburban. Spacewise, other minivans I find don't have as much room as those two beasts.

My partner's parents gave us our minivan, after our tempo finally died. They now have a small SUV which they needed for their trailer. We can't afford another car, so we drive it, without guilt. Not to mention, trying to squeeze two large dogs in a back of a hatchback with camping equipment is not fun!

Interestingly enough, my partner's brother wouldn't drive our vehicle where he lives or for his job (forestry in Sault ste. Marie) but will drive his little sunfire anywhere.


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posted 29 February 2004 06:54 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Yeah, but then you encounter something called Winter in Saskatchewan.

Bah. I used to haul firewood across snow-covered fields with a Datsun 1/2-ton.

I never saw an SUV in rural Saskatchewan. We all had 1/2 tons or cars.

Someone mentioned greasy lease roads in Alburda. Yeesh. Tell me about it. I had to get my B-210 hatchback pulled by a Cat more than a few times.


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posted 29 February 2004 07:52 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ever look at a 1950 era pickup truck? They were really basic; wheels, a small motor, a place to sit. But, they were really useful. I've piled hay bales on them to the point that the springs would bottom out; and I've driven them where they should definitely not go. And they lasted, and lasted and lasted.

The modern version is aimed at suburbia; power steering, stereo, carpeting, air conditioning, big engine and lousy fuel economy. These things need four wheel drive to go where their ancestors went with two.

The same with the Jeep, which made its reputation during WWII. That Jeep was small (1/4 ton), had a 4 cylinder engine, and was very maneuverable. It went anywhere and survived.

The modern 4x4 is bigger; even the CJ series Jeeps. Most 4x4's are gas guzzling monsters that don't even do well off road. They are designed for freeways, not the bush.

Isn't progress wonderful?


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posted 29 February 2004 10:32 PM      Profile for windymustang     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Jingles:
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A kayak doesn't fit on a minivan or station wagon? Are they so heavy you need the extra suspension?

I said it only costs about $20 in gas a month to run, so what's the beef? - even if it is a 4x4? But...if you've got the $$$ to give me who's living on a disability pension to replace my $1200 vehicle for a more efficient one, great!...PM me and I'll give you my account info...

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Personally, who cares what your boyfriend drives/likes/does for a living? It doesn't really reflect on you - and if it IS an issue that affects your basic activities of daily living, then it can be problematic but an SUV shouldn't. If you get married and have kids, maybe you will have a say and get a volvo station wagon or Honda hybrid instead.
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Well, it could represent a fundamental clash in philosophy, Signe. I'm thinking that if they disagree on such a fundamental environmental and lifestyle issue, that they will probably disagree on some other pretty basic things as well.
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Gaia is a woman's name on Kronos. And worrying about cars is useless and wasteful. Get off ye lazy fat arse and walk it. Never mind gas mileage.

Anything that don't involve bleeding, fighting, dying and crippling physical stress is considered weak and timid.


I can see why you're upset.

Kronos, Gaia's child, castrated his own father, Uranus, with a sickle, and was thus for a while top God, until his own son, Zeus, killed him.

I feel your pain, Klingon.


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posted 01 March 2004 10:48 PM      Profile for ReeferMadness     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think most of us could find a way to drive less or drive more fuel-efficient vehicles if we really wanted to. OTOH, we can always find ways to justify larger or less fuel-efficient ones. It really depends on your values and beliefs. Since I've never seen anyone come up with a grand design for producing a sustainable future that will show us how much gas we can burn, everyone has to come to their own conclusions.

Speaking of which, GC, you need to decide whether the SUV represents a fundamental clash of values or something you can overlook. Good on you for being reflective enough to consider it, though.

-Reefer


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posted 02 March 2004 06:56 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The turkey hasn't been returning my calls. So the point is moot.

Geez....

I guess when he found out I castrated my father.....


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posted 02 March 2004 07:33 PM      Profile for Anchoress     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, GC, it was Chronos who castrated his father. Gaia was his mother I think. She was the mother of, but also married to, Chronos's dad Uranus.

Click here for a quick dose of Greek Mythology.


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The turkey hasn't been returning my calls.

That SUV should have been the first clue.


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Maybe he castrated his distributor cap. They still have those, don't they?
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posted 02 March 2004 09:28 PM      Profile for askbob   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
K...let's say your B-friend drives an SUV, and your profile says you're a guy too. Do you think anyone would care what you drive around in? What difference would it make anyway..and to whom?
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posted 02 March 2004 09:35 PM      Profile for Tolok        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes indeed, most of the small towns I know, the issue would certainly be the SUV!
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posted 02 March 2004 10:57 PM      Profile for Gaia_Child     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, so it was Chronos who castrated? That's okay.

Now that Mr. Wonderful isn't calling....

I'll take Uranus.


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posted 02 March 2004 11:05 PM      Profile for Tolok        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh no, you won't.
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