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Left Turn
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posted 22 April 2006 03:23 AM

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The miscalculated policies of the US administration in the Middle East are quickly undermining the country’s ability to sustain its once unchallenged global position. Winds of change are blowing everywhere, and there is little that Washington’s ideologues can do to stop it.

Imminent Decline of Empire?

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eau
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posted 22 April 2006 12:50 PM

Empires always fail, Bush just hastened the process because of his lack of vision and leadership.

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Sanityatlast
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posted 22 April 2006 01:46 PM

In our modern culture we're often too obsesed with the moment. Rome and Britain...and probably the Assyrians, Incas, etc. probably endured the equivalent of George W. Bush many times over the centuries of their empires.

Some might propose that what we call the 'American Empire' is really just a continuation of the British Empire with change of the power center just as Rome was supplanted a couple times by other centers (such as Constantinople.)

Rome was around a LONG TIME. It endured it's share of idiots. The British-American Empire has been a world locus for 5 centuries and has also had idiots from Charles 1st to George W. Bush.

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BlueBerry Pick'n
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posted 22 April 2006 01:58 PM

Sanity at Last has it PEGGED.

rock on, absolutely.

"May you live in interesting times"... turns out to be our lot, after all.

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Papal Bull
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posted 22 April 2006 04:02 PM

The United States exhibits signs of imperialism, however it is not an empire. The fact of the matter is that it is not analogous to Rome or any classical empire in many ways (well, honest ways...I've seen people make parallel assumptions that the Mexican/Latin American migration to the US is similar to the Germanic movements that crushed Rome). As such it is not anything like Rome in its power structure. Rome had real power that was held together exclusively through the force of the legion and also through the power of the Imperial cult. The US empire, if you want to call it that, is theoretical and abstract.

As for sanityatlast's point - this is assuming the nation is an empire, which it is not. The fact of the Anglo-American nations being a locus of power for 5 centuries is somewhat misleading. They may have had bad leaders and civil wars, but what sunk other powers in the past was bad leaders. The cumulitive effect of having bad emperors weighed down Rome in the West. Mind you, I don't know much about anything but Rome and the post-Pellopensian/Hellenic Empires. But I can say that the Holy Roman Empire and its successor states was oft torn by the incompetent leadership. So too were many other ascendant powers. Though I don't think that Bush will be the end of America as we know it, I think he has without a doubt altered its fate in a negative way.

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nister
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posted 22 April 2006 10:47 PM

Bush made the world "choose up sides", while pissing them off. I could kiss him for that.

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clandestiny
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posted 23 April 2006 11:34 AM

he sure has exposed something the upper class twits had kept hidden for a long time-namely that they were twits, and ill equipped to manage society's affairs....perhaps a better assessment would be to say the upper classes are somewhat/mostly thieving criminal, stupid criminals who only succeed because the twit run pigmedia covers up for them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6017&forum=DCForumID38

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Jingles
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posted 23 April 2006 12:05 PM

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he sure has exposed something the upper class twits had kept hidden for a long time-namely that they were twits, and ill equipped to manage society's affairs.

It's not that they're ill-equipped to manage society's affairs, it's that they have no interest in society's affairs. They run things by and for themselves, and society is just the body upon which those parasites feed.

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Fear-ah
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posted 23 April 2006 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Papal Bull:
The United States exhibits signs of imperialism, however it is not an empire. The fact of the matter is that it is not analogous to Rome or any classical empire in many ways

Agreed, it's more like the economic and political decline of the Weimar Republic and the subsequent rise of corportism and military expansion based on ideological 'exceptionalism', historical mission and quasi-Christian cultism.

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Anti-Totalitarian
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posted 25 April 2006 07:45 PM

Check out this story:

The World is Uniting Against the Bush Imperium

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