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Do you realize that Canada, like Australia, is a hoax, a fraud, a phony country and a commercial extortion racket? And, do you realize that the Queen is little more than a pretender and a prostitute to the international banksters relative to portraying herself as the Queen of Canada (or of Australia)?

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WESTERN CANADA INDEPENDENCE
Posted: Feb 2, 2003

Attention! Anyone living in: ~~
Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta, British Columbia,
Yukon, NWT or Nunavit
[ SPECIAL NOTICE ]

Obtain a copy of the "Declaration of Independence and Petition for Separation" at the Western Canada Concept website.

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Such a colourful website; I would have gone blind if my eyes had not clouded over at the stupidity of it.

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I think there may have also been a W-Five piece about this "movement" awhile ago, but I can't find any link for it.

the certified accountants' take on them

This may explain why Mr. Warman isn't in jail yet for tax evasion:

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According to Mr. Proulx, in 2000 the CCRA prosecuted 150 tax evasion cases, a number of them detaxers. ... The detaxers come to court and "make a farce of the legal system, and try to drag it out as much as they can," says Mr. Proulx. "Every time we get one of these individuals to court, it usually takes two to three years before everything gets sorted out and we get a decision or sentence." Detaxers often defend themselves, so they don't spend huge sums in lawyer fees and can drag it out as long as possible.

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As far as i know, there has not been one refutation, and certainly not one proven refutation, of any of Warman's claims that the whole British system is nothing but a fraud, hoax and evil game of pretend.

May I suggest you also read and comment on
Warman's Magna Carta webpage: http://www.detaxcanada.org/carta.htm

So, you think/thought you had to/have to file a 'tax return - 1040 (USA) or T1 (Canada)?

A 'person' is a legal entity - a fiction. A 'person' is not a free will man or woman, as created by Creator God. If 'natural person' is
used to describe you, then it is a legal fiction name (usually all caps or family name first) supposedly attached to your body (originally
by the birth certificate of immigration papers), and supposedly changes your status from 'free will' to that of 'galley slave' on the make-believe ship called the 'UNITED STATES' in the USA, or the 'CROWN" in Canada.

The Canadian Income Tax Act, and Title 26 USC, as all Acts or Statutes of government, (USA or Canada) are only applicable to 'persons'.
Section 2 of the Income Tax Act of Canada says that 'every person' resident in Canada shall pay an income tax. Section 150 says that 'every person' resident in Canada shall file a 'return of income' in prescribed form each year.

Similarly worded statements to this effect are in Title 26 USC. See [Title 26 USC Sec. 1 individual taxed', and then go to Sec.7701(a)(1)- 'person' defined]

Therefore, if you are not a 'person', why are you filing and paying income tax? You need only to file for the 'legal entity' which the government has attached to your body, and that means '$0.00'
taxes for you, as you are not taxable, and there is NO legislation requiring you, a free will man or woman, to pay any tax.

And, if you choose to pay the legal entity (all caps version of your name) less than the basic exemption for ITS supposed services as your 'agent in commerce', then you take NONE of your money to pay ITS taxes - because IT doesn't owe any.

Learn more about this by going to Eldon Warman's webpage:

http://www.detaxcanada.org/forced.htm

The form names are different in the USA, but the required lines on the forms to be used are identical.

Second, if you scroll up in the thread and read some of the actual case law presented by chartered accountants and other organizations, you'll see that this detaxing advice is a ticket to possible jail time and very large penalties.

I have a friend who bought into this nonsense and is now making payments on a huge tax bill, after losing a case against CRA.

[ 06 October 2004: Message edited by: paxamillion ]

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A 'person' is a legal entity - a fiction. A 'person' is not a free will man or woman, as created by Creator God. If 'natural person' is
used to describe you, then it is a legal fiction name (usually all caps or family name first) supposedly attached to your body (originally
by the birth certificate of immigration papers), and supposedly changes your status from 'free will' to that of 'galley slave' on the make-believe ship called the 'UNITED STATES' in the USA, or the 'CROWN" in Canada.

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How do you handle health care when you need it?

If your "legal entity" hasn't paid any taxes, and since you're not that "legal entity" anyway, do you pay cash up front?

Or do you weasel out of it by pretending to be a "legal entity" with a Health Card, paid for by all those other gullible "legal entities" and their "illegal" tax?

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How do you handle health care when you need it?

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I know several people who tried this scheme and won their court cases with the CCRA.

One of them thought that he had won, until he tried renewing his passport - "sorry sir, you're not a person, we cannot issue you a passport". He pays taxes now.

Since the accountants and lawyers work in, and as, legal fictions in the fiction (Land of Oz) world, they, for sure, are going to mouth threats and inuendo to keep the 'loot' coming in.

Warman does not advocate getting rid of the 'person' legal fiction, or becoming a non-person. He merely shows you that you, and the legal fiction are not 'one and the same'; and, that the Income Tax Act of Canada ONLY applies to legal fictions. Hey! If you like to be ripped off by your ignorance and stupidity, Have At It!

By following Warman's program, there is no problem with such things as health care and passports.

A country as rich in resources should have no need to rip off the people to pay for services.
Alberta is doing quite well on its oil right now.

No, its all about people control on a make-believe ship - a collectivist one world scheme to empoverish all except the elite.

Anyway, there are First Nations and offshore countries which will issue passports, and do no have tax ripoffs based upon legal fiction names.

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Originally posted by worker_drone:
One of them thought that he had won, until he tried renewing his passport - "sorry sir, you're not a person, we cannot issue you a passport". He pays taxes now.

The other lost several thousand dollars when his credit union went under. All the deposits were insured, and when he tried to claim that insurance - "sorry sir, you're not a person. You're not covered". He pays taxes now too.

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Hee! That's a great story, worker_drone. I love it.

Just how 'blonde' is Michelle?

I like the bit on your third page where you tell people to use deadly force against taxes.

What can I say, but you are wrong. anything we say will just be seen as evidence of blinkers on our eyes, scales that blind us from the obvious truth you see. Enjoy your little world, the rest of us are working on building a healthy society.

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Just how 'blonde' is Michelle?

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Originally posted by Lard tunderin' jeesus:
...actually, being such an idiot, I doubt that he's getting any.

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Toronto lawyer David Sherman, an authority on tax law, has little patience for detaxer theories. "Detaxers say that because of such and such an analysis going back to the Magna Carta or something, the government can't impose taxes and therefore the income tax is voluntary. That's like telling someone that you can cure AIDS by boiling toads under a full moon and inhaling the steam while you stand on one foot reciting Hamlet's soliloquy backwards. The idea is any medical professional would recognize that as nonsense, though someone desperate enough might try it if [he doesn't] know what's going on. These detaxers think they can know law without having any legal training. They read something that looks like it is written in English, but it's not, it's actually law and they think they understand it."

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As a public service, and because Googling 'Anglo Saxon common law' will mostly bring up detaxing websites, I provide a link to...

The Anglo-Saxon Dooms, 560-975

Interesting passages include:
Alfred:
Of a holdgetael.

37. If a man from one holdgetael wish to seek a lord in another holdgetael, let him do it with the knowledge of the ealdorman whom he before followed in his shire. If he do it without his knowledge, let him who entertains him as his man pay 120 shillings as wite; let him, however, deal the half to the king in the shire where he before followed, half in that into which he comes. If he has done anything wrong where he before was, let him make bot for it who has their received him as his man; and to the king 120 shillings as wite.

I submit that, being born into servitude in the holgetael of Canada, our learned friend must seek permission from the Governor General to 'follow another lord' in the holgetael of, well, in this case, becoming a freedman. I really doubt that our learned friend has paid 120 shillings for the crime of leaving to follow another lord without due consent of his ealdorman (ie, the GG).

Speaking of lordless men:
Athelstan:
Of lordless men.

2. And we have ordained: respecting those lordless men of whom no law can be got, that the kindred be commanded that they domicile him to folkright, and find him a lord in the folkmote; and if they then will not or cannot produce him at the term, then be he thenceforth a flyma, and let him slay him for a thief who can come at him: and whoever after that shall harbour him, let him pay for him according to his wer, or by it clear himself.

Have your parents found you a lord at the folkmote? No? I guess you'll be outlawed then, and the general public permitted to slay you should they choose. What's that you say? There hasn't been a folkmote? I guess you'll have to go live with your parents, then, and they'll have to pay a fine equal to your wergild value.

Incidentally, I'd compare these to the discussions of 'Anglo-Saxon Common Law' from the detaxing websites, except that they don't actually discuss any kind of Anglian law except to state that it probably came from Jewish traders (Nope.), and was represented by the Golden Rule (Nope, or at least, nope except for the wergild concept that was designed to make fighting and killing people financially unappealing).

Back to Athelstan:
Of exchange.

11. And let no man exchange any property without the witness of the reeve, or of the mass-priest, or of the landlord, or of the hordere, or of other unlying man. If any one do so, let him give thirty shillings, and let the landlord take possession of the exchange.

You *did* get a notary public to go grocery shopping with you last week, right? You didn't? Oh, dear. Better give your groceries (and thirty shillings) to your landlord..

That a man buy not out of port.

13. And we have ordained: that no man buy any property out of port over twenty pence; but let him buy there within, on the witness of the portreeve, or of another unlying man: or further, on the witness of the reeves at the folkmote.

You live in central Canada, don't you? It must be a pain to have to take a flight to Halifax or Vancouver to go shopping..

Even Jack Foster, posing as 'arborman' the inbred mental retard from Kentucky who threatens himself as 'Wilkill', has sniffed out this 'anti-detax' forum. Hmm... You can see this jerk at: http://home1.gte.net/fosterjd/author.htm

Seems as though, in his paranoia of anyone espousing 'individual unalienable rights', he sees a Warman under every bed his multiple personalities - Austin Rayder, Quantrell, Abbot, and 100 others - chance to inhabit.

Anyway, it is sad that all you 'retards' seem to like your status as a victim of the Pope's extortion racket, called income tax; and obviously really love your enslavement.

And, aRoused, (obviously telling everyone that you are a 'circumcised prick'), no one says that the Anglo-Saxon people were perfect. Few men of any age seem to be able to follow God's Law - the negative golden rule, to its fullest; however, that does not deprecate Anglo-Saxon common law as being a system of law based upon God's Law. And it is certainly superior to the imposition of 'ship's law' upon the people by playing a game of pretend (legal fictions called 'natural persons' - make believe slave crewmembers, and make-believe ships called corporations and bodies politic). The latter is the basis of the extortion racket by the Pontifex Maximus (Pope of Rome) and his not so Holy Roman Empire - which Canada and the USA are claimed to be part of.

Let's see some of you jerks make an honest argument, instead of 'ad hominum' attacks without
mentioning or refuting any of my statements by historical or legal facts.

Let's start by having someone tell me when 'forever' was declared to have ended. The word is used in the Magna Carta - last section, and it is used in the Treaty of Verona (1213) regarding England being a vassal to the Holy Roman Empire.

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Anyway, it is sad that all you 'retards' seem to like your status as a victim of the Pope's extortion racket

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And, aRoused, (obviously telling everyone that you are a 'circumcised prick')

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Let's see some of you jerks make an honest argument, instead of 'ad hominum' attacks

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Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Who wants in on the banning pool? I've got tomorrow, 10am.

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Originally posted by Vicegerent:
...the Pope's 'damage control goons' have come out...
...Anyway, it is sad that all you 'retards' seem to like your status as a victim of the Pope's extortion racket, called income tax; and obviously really love your enslavement...
...no one says that the Anglo-Saxon people were perfect...
...that does not deprecate Anglo-Saxon common law as being a system of law based upon God's Law...
...the extortion racket by the Pontifex Maximus (Pope of Rome) and his not so Holy Roman Empire - which Canada and the USA are claimed to be part of...
...Let's see some of you jerks make an honest argument, instead of 'ad hominum' attacks without mentioning or refuting any of my statements by historical or legal facts....
...The word is used in the Magna Carta - last section, and it is used in the Treaty of Verona (1213) regarding England being a vassal to the Holy Roman Empire...

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You appear to hate the Pope and presumably all Roman Catholics.

The Anglo-Saxons were Roman Catholics.
The Normans/English who produced the Magna Carta were Roman Catholics.
The Treaty of Verona was signed by Roman Catholics.

You have a real problem here, don't you?

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Why wait until then?

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Originally posted by Performance Anxiety:
It's called DeTAX Canada, for those out in the West or those wishing to evade Canadian taxes.

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After reading the stuff on the site and posted to this thread, I'd recommend that these people by referred to DeTOX Canada.

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
After reading the stuff on the site and posted to this thread, I'd recommend that these people by referred to DeTOX Canada.

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Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:

After reading the stuff on the site and posted to this thread, I'd recommend that these people by referred to DeTOX Canada.

Michelle, should we take your comment to mean that S/he/it is being banned? Please?

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No - I mean, what has he really done? Called people a couple of names - that's not really bannable, and it's usually let slide the first couple of times.

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Originally posted by Michelle:
No - I mean, what has he really done? Called people a couple of names - that's not really bannable, and it's usually let slide the first couple of times.

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Well, let's see...

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You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this discussion board to post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory. You agree to avoid personal insults, attacks and mischievous antagonism (otherwise known as trolling). You will not post material that is inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy or otherwise violative of any law. You understand that racist, sexist, homophobic and other excluding language is not appropriate on babble.

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Originally posted by Michelle:
If you want everyone kicked off who crosses the line once or twice, then this forum is going to have tumbleweeds blowing through it.

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do-do-do-do-do...

WAH WAH WAH! (hoo! hah!)

do-do-do-do-do...

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Originally posted by 'lance:
Who can resist?

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Sorry to have crashed your 'detaxer stomping party'. So, enjoy yourselves!

Albeit for me to question your enjoyment of your sucker/slavery status you impose upon yourselves.

Warman seems to be able to attract an ever increasing readership of his vast website, and
since he is non-commercial, I suspect he could give a rat's ass what stupid people, like those posting on this forum who are supportive of the Pope's extortion racket, do with their lives.

And, if any of you have the guts to look, you
will find supportive evidence on the following website regarding the Pope's and the Vatican's
involvement in the secular world of the Holy Roman Empire: http://www.atgpress.com/kifap/indexjm.htm

Tootle ooh!

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Originally posted by Vicegerent:
I suspect he could give a rat's ass what stupid people, like those posting on this forum who are supportive of the Pope's extortion racket, do with their lives.

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Originally posted by Vicegerent:

Even Jack Foster, posing as 'arborman' the inbred mental retard from Kentucky who threatens himself as 'Wilkill', has sniffed out this 'anti-detax' forum. Hmm... You can see this jerk at: http://home1.gte.net/fosterjd/author.htm

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Oh, just for the record, I *am* a circumcised prick.

[ 08 October 2004: Message edited by: aRoused ]

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Originally posted by Vicegerent:
Warman does not advocate getting rid of the 'person' legal fiction, or becoming a non-person. He merely shows you that you, and the legal fiction are not 'one and the same'; and, that the Income Tax Act of Canada ONLY applies to legal fictions.

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It may interest members to look at the word "person" in the law. From the Income Tax Act:

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2. (1) An income tax shall be paid, as required by this Act, on the taxable income for each taxation year of every person resident in Canada at any time in the year.

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Income Tax Act on the Web

Then,

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"taxpayer" includes any person whether or not liable to pay tax;

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What is a person?

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"person", or any word or expression descriptive of a person, includes any corporation, and any entity exempt, because of subsection 149(1), from tax under Part I on all or part of the entity's taxable income and the heirs, executors, liquidators of a succession, administrators or other legal representatives of such a person, according to the law of that part of Canada to which the context extends;

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What is an individual? The Income Tax Act says:

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"individual" means a person other than a corporation;

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yet the Excise Tax Act says:

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Excise Tax Act, Chapter E-15, Section 2:
"individual" means a natural person;

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Why does the Income Tax Act provide such a complicated description of person when the Bank Act says simply:

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Part I, Section 2 of the Bank Act: "person" means a natural person, an entity or a personal representative;

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The Interpretation Act, sec. 35 states:

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"person", or any word or expression descriptive of a person, includes a corporation;

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Interesting how different laws define the word "person" differently isn't it?

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