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Snuckles
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posted 22 August 2006 10:46 PM      Profile for Snuckles   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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By DAVID CRARY, AP National Writer Tue Aug 22, 1:58 PM ET

NEW YORK - Pornographic movies now seem nearly as pervasive in America's hotel rooms as tiny shampoo bottles, and the lodging industry shows little concern as conservative activists rev up a protest campaign aimed at triggering a federal crackdown.

A coalition of 13 conservative groups — including the Family Research Council and Concerned Women for America — took out full-page ads in some editions of USA Today earlier this month urging the Justice Department and FBI to investigate whether some of the pay-per-view movies widely available in hotels violate federal and state obscenity laws.

The coalition also is trying to draw attention to CleanHotels.com, a directory of hotels and motels nationwide that pledge to exclude adult offerings from their in-room entertainment service.

Though porn is now cheaply and readily accessible on the Internet, and through many other outlets, the activists chose to target the hotel industry in part because of the well-known brands of corporations that cater to family vacationers as well as business travelers.


Read it here.

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Phred
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posted 23 August 2006 09:47 AM      Profile for Phred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
God doesn't like pr0n so neither should anyone else...
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posted 23 August 2006 10:45 AM      Profile for arborman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Phred:
God doesn't like pr0n so neither should anyone else...

I have seen no evidence about whether god likes or dislikes it. He has a lot on his plate, I imagine he just ignores it.


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posted 23 August 2006 11:19 AM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

Originally written by arborman:

I have seen no evidence about whether god likes or dislikes it. He has a lot on his plate, I imagine he just ignores it.


Really? I think that if you assume the bible, then clearly porn is bad. The more warranted question of course is should you assume the bible with regards to civil law, which I'm sure there's a broad consesus on that question here.


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posted 23 August 2006 12:18 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Really? There is a prohibition on pay-per-view hotel pornography in the bible? Those prophets had amazing foresight.

Actually, the bible is the oldest Dear Penthouse letter extant:

quote:
# How beautiful are thy feet with shoes, O prince's daughter! the
# joints of thy thighs are like jewels, the work of the hands of a cunning workman. Thy navel is like a round goblet, which wanteth not liquor: thy
# belly is like an heap of wheat set about with lilies. Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins.
# Thy neck is as a tower of ivory; thine eyes like the fishpools in
Heshbon, by the gate of Bathrabbim: thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which looketh toward Damascus.

Whew. That Solomon was one horny cuss.


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miles
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posted 23 August 2006 12:25 PM      Profile for miles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
IIRC Tipper Gore was fighting for similar when she was on her crusade against lyrics in music, TV show ratings etc when Al was VP.

I guess the cons have stolen another idea from the Dems.


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500_Apples
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posted 23 August 2006 12:28 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well if you keep reading the sexual behavior of David and Solomon is something that God held against them. Solomon curtailed the 18 wife limit for kings by having 1000 concubines. Apparently, he wanted 20, 000 children.

Anyhow, I'm pretty sure the old testament has a ban on deliberately inducing sexual excitement by someone other than a married partner. That obviously generalizes to a ban on porn.


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posted 23 August 2006 12:41 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Well if you keep reading the sexual behavior of David and Solomon is something that God held against them. Solomon curtailed the 18 wife limit for kings by having 1000 concubines. Apparently, he wanted 20, 000 children.

What, do you think Abraham's descendants were going to take care of themselves? God does not reward sloth, though He cherisheth he who laboureth in His name.

Recall Genesis, Chapter 26, Verse 4: "I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring of 10 000 concubines all nations on earth will be blessed."

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500_Apples
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posted 23 August 2006 12:58 PM      Profile for 500_Apples   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As numerous as the stars eh? If he meant stars visible to the naked eye, judaism has made it. If not, well...
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posted 23 August 2006 02:02 PM      Profile for Phred     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by arborman:

I have seen no evidence about whether god likes or dislikes it. He has a lot on his plate, I imagine he just ignores it.


Or maybe he is the ultimate director of it...


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posted 23 August 2006 08:36 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a very interesting article.

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"These are places that you take your family — these are respectable institutions," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council. "Anything that brings porn into the mainstream is a concern. It just desensitizes people."

Since they won't actually NAME the hotel chains they're talking about for fear of lawsuits then we don't know who they are and what the FRC considers a "respectable" hotel. Is it ok for fleabag motels that rent by the hour to have porn. Wait! Don't these folks realize that their is ACTUAL REAL SEX going on in these hotel rooms as well! And some people aren't even MARRIED to each other!!!!

I think what they might want is "Orwellvision" where the TV watches you. That way, the morals police can make sure that only married people are having sex in "respectable" hotels - check their marriage certificates on check in!

Geez O Pete! Sex, Sex, Sex! That's all they think about - the poor kiddies. Geez, how DID those kids come to be anyway? Oh, yeah.

From now on all hotels and motels in God's United States will be SEX FREE except for married couples without kids ('cause if you have kids, you would have them with you 'cause you believe in FAMILY VALUES and you certainly wouldn't do the nasty with them IN THE ROOM right!

We've got to protect American morals right?

quote:
The recent newspaper ad mentioned no hotel companies by name because of legal concerns, but it did target the two major suppliers of in-room adult movies — South Dakota-based LodgeNet and Denver-based OnCommand, a subsidiary of Liberty Media Corp. The ad accused both companies of distributing hardcore pornography to their hotel clients, and it provided a link to a list of X-rated movie titles.

Um, I don't know how to say this, but. . .its not "hardcore" in hotels. Basicially, its "pizza delivery guy" type porn. Don't ask me how I know this.

I guess any porn is "hardcore" to the FRC types. Beach volleyball is probably too much for them to let the kiddies watch.

quote:
"Really ultraconservative groups try to target the hotels in their zest to eliminate porn," Shepard said. "In their zest to have their personal morals prevail, they're eliminating choice for others."

Conner said none of the programing offered by Marriott is illegal, and he depicted adult movies as a standard part of today's hotel business.

"In-room movies are a revenue stream," he said. "This is a business matter."


Yeah, what are these fundies anyway, a bunch of Communists?!? Porn is as American as apple pie and cluster bombs!

quote:
The leader of the campaign against in-room porn is Phil Burress, a self-described former porn addict who heads the Cincinnati-based Citizens for Community Values.

Just like its always the reformed smoker who is the most zealous about bugging others to quit. . .

quote:
Though unable to cite specific cases, Burress contended that the availability of in-room porn is making hotels more dangerous.

"As more and more of these (hardcore) titles become available, we're going to have sexual abuse cases coming out of the hotels," he said. "Hotels are just as dangerous as environments around strip joints and porn stores."


I honestly think the most danger will be posed to the workers who strip the beds. Anyway, yeah, I'm sure that its way easier to rent a $100 a night room, buy way overpriced porn and then get violent than just going driving down to the video store for $2.99 tape and bringing it home where the beer is in the fridge not the expensive mini bar. This is idiotic reasoning.

quote:
Burress said he was "cautiously optimistic" that Justice Department officials — whom he and other anti-porn leaders confer with periodically — would seriously consider investigating hotel-based pornography.

Justice Department spokesman Bryan Sierra said federal authorities are committed to toughening enforcement of obscenity laws, but he declined to comment on specific targets for investigations.


I'd really like to think than in the post-Ashcroft Justice Department, they have better things to do with their time and money.


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Proaxiom
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posted 24 August 2006 06:36 AM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Um, I don't know how to say this, but. . .its not "hardcore" in hotels. Basicially, its "pizza delivery guy" type porn. Don't ask me how I know this.

Um, if your hotel pr0n isn't hardcore, you've been staying in the wrong hotels.


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posted 24 August 2006 08:50 AM      Profile for chester the prairie shark     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i read recently in the MSM (sorry no link) that the hotel industry studied its video service and determined that the average length of time its adult titles played was 12 minutes (or 10 or 13, something like that)
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posted 24 August 2006 09:54 AM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sad to admit that I must have dragged down that average...
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posted 24 August 2006 10:12 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Oh America! Succeeding in taking the US back to the early 19th century.


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kropotkin1951
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posted 24 August 2006 10:20 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My cable station carries titles that look similar to the titles I see in hotel rooms. I presume they are both porn and have often wondered how it came about that it has become so mainstream and apparently aceptable. But then from the above and other responses I have read it appears that even "progressives" buy it.

My only question is if you would buy it in a hotel room would you ask your spouse to watch with you at home or is it your dirty little secret and you are ashamed of it.


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posted 24 August 2006 10:22 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why is progressives in quotes and why would it matter where people watched porn? I'm pretty sure most people have viewed porn at least a couple of times in their life.
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posted 24 August 2006 12:40 PM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Many couples use pornography as a supplement to their sex lives. Same with sex toys, food, leather, and I'm sure plenty of things I don't even know about.

Many people, both men and women but more commonly men, use pornography to provide stimulation for masturbation.

Many people are not ashamed of that fact and do not keep it as a 'dirty little secret.'

Whether it's a secret or not probably depends on how you were brought up.


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posted 24 August 2006 12:50 PM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another related thought: In truth, I have only ordered hotel porn twice in my life. I've never ordered home pay-per-view porn, though I used to get the Movie Network and they have some hardcore stuff with the 'money shot' edited out (I presume because they want to preserve some value add for the pay-per-view porn, but I'm not certain about that).

I sometimes wonder why, given the preponderance of free porn available on the Internet, people still pay for it.

I honestly don't feel totally right with paying for porn, because I worry about feeding an exploitative industry. But downloading free stuff -- I'm not feeding anything.


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posted 24 August 2006 01:40 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
Why is progressives in quotes and why would it matter where people watched porn? I'm pretty sure most people have viewed porn at least a couple of times in their life.
The problem is what is porn and what is erotica. I agree that most people have seen it at least a couple of times in their lives. My problem with porn as opposed to erotica is the exploitive nature of the porn business and the role of women in the "movies" that the porn industry churns out. Yes the above is proof that I have indeed seen some of it in my more than five decades on this planet(in this lifetime). I actually found the porn rather boring and mindless. And the quotations were because I find it an oxymoron that someone progressive would support an industry that devalues women to such a great degree.

Since it has been a long time since I watched anything available in a hotel maybe I am wrong and the XXX stuff on sale is in fact erotica and not the kind of crap I saw years agos, in which case that would be a step in the right direction.


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posted 24 August 2006 01:56 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think a lot of it has todo with supporting women's right to autonomy and to make their own decisions. Although personally I totally agree with you about the exploitive natuire of a lot of porn. I do not think though that all porn is exploitive.
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posted 24 August 2006 03:18 PM      Profile for thorin_bane     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually I would say men are exploited by pron star women for being so damn horney and stupid! When I was 19 I went to one of the strip bars to meet Raquel Darrien, she was actually pleasant to talk to but to have picture taken and autographed(which I threw out later after some moral delema's) It cost me 60 bucks...If that isn't being fleeced I don't know what is. It only took about 7 minutes of her time. You can't make money like that unless you run a fortune 500 compnay. If she was wangled into it would be one thing, but she was there of her own accord. Course this may be more of the exception to the rule and I have seen porn a lot more 'extreme' than what she has done. Some of the women in these are no doubt exploited.
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posted 24 August 2006 07:15 PM      Profile for Proaxiom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The A-list starlets do just fine.

But down the rungs, there are a lot of girls with problems working in cheap productions.


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