I'm at my wits end, last night we had a very big argument. I cooked a nice dinner for my two daughters, and they both were enjoying it. It was halfway through, when the older one mentioned that the pasta I cooked had a 'strong taste' to it. I then told her that amongst some of the spice I threw in, I stir fried the pasta in some Chinese Wing Yip cooking wine. She then became upset and told me that I shouldn't drink! I don't like using Ragu sauce, I prefer stir frying the boiled pasta in a frying pan with some olive oil, capers, artichokes, can of albacore tuna, sundried tomatos, salt/pepper and a quarter cup of Chinese Cooking wine (depending on the amount of pasta). Let it reduce, and the flavours really come out. The alcohol evaporates and it's all just flavour.

My daughter then took this wonderful meal I had and tossed it in the garbage. I became furious when the little one (my eight year old daughter) also wanted to throw her pasta in the garbage. I demanded she finish her meal. She began to cry. My older daughter then began saying how using cooking wine will bring me back to my 'old ways'. I've been clean and sober now for over two years, Using cooking wine is not cheating!

however, your story's slightly more complicated. you have to be sensitive to the fact they have been affected negatively by your old drinking habit. i'm afraid you haven't been sympathetic toward their feelings in the slightest. on the contrary, you've punished them.

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How much more sacrificing do I have to do for these brats? They really are ungrateful and I'm getting sick of fighting them all the time.

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wow! if they're true brats, you've only got yourself to blame. sorry i sound so cold, but you're not getting much sympathy for me.

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Right now, I grounded both of them and took away their t.v. priviledges. I'm also only going to feed them Kraft Dinner for the rest of the week. No more top-notch cooking from me.

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you obviously don't have your daughters' best interests at heart. you're selfish, thinking only about yourself. good lord, if i had kids, i would never never feed them processed food for a whole week. do you realize how fucking unhealthy that is? and guess what, your daughters are too young to really appreciate the difference in quality between top-notch cooking and processed food.

oh yea, and what the hell does this have to do with feminism? you don't really sound like a feminist dad. "babblers helping babblers" might be better.

[ 27 September 2005: Message edited by: ephemeral ]

I'm not one to care about the cooking wine. But I think it is worrisome that you are so emotionally overextended, and I think it is a problem that you would refer to "brats ... ganging up" on you when you are speaking, after all, of children, your children.

I really think you need help from someone who knows children, who knows families, and by that I do not mean the "sponsor" you mentioned in the earlier thread.

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I'm don't drink anymore, I hardly ever do it anyways. Special Occasions sure, but I don't do it like I used to

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Originally posted by disobedient:
Just out of curiosity, why are you posting this in the feminism forum?

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Hello,

This is the forum where I've spoken with people the most. So I would at least hope they would understand the situation I am in. I am dealing with two young ladies, and I want them to have strong morals and values. I want them to come over to God, but they wish to follow a path of sin. It pains me, but as was in the bible, even Mary Magdelene as I quote from scriptur: Luke 7:36-50.

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"37 And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an Alabaster box of ointment,

38 And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment."

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As written in the King James, a whore can repent her ways and become woman oncemore. I see many to respect and admire from women who wish to embrace their feminine side.

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what a bizarre story! your daughters are obviously old enough that you don't have to force them to eat something they don't like. if they are about to toss it in the garbage, if i were you, i would take it from them, tell them i'm gonna save it for myself for later so food doesn't get wasted, and they would just have to go hungry. but that's only if they are just being whiny and don't like what i cook.

however, your story's slightly more complicated. you have to be sensitive to the fact they have been affected negatively by your old drinking habit. i'm afraid you haven't been sympathetic toward their feelings in the slightest. on the contrary, you've punished them.

you obviously don't have your daughters' best interests at heart. you're selfish, thinking only about yourself. good lord, if i had kids, i would never never feed them processed food for a whole week. do you realize how f******** unhealthy that is? and guess what, your daughters are too young to really appreciate the difference in quality between top-notch cooking and processed food.

oh yea, and what the hell does this have to do with feminism? you don't really sound like a feminist dad. "babblers helping babblers" might be better.

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Ma'am or Sir, May I ask you to please keep the language in check? This is a public board. Thank you.

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Feminism in my definition, is a woman who has repented her ways and who would wash Jesus's feet with her tears.

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I suppose it is always satisfying, in a way, to have one's prejudices confirmed.

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Originally posted by skdadl:
SFoT, I never give advice, but I will take a position on some of the language you're using there and what it suggests to me.

I'm not one to care about the cooking wine. But I think it is worrisome that you are so emotionally overextended, and I think it is a problem that you would refer to "brats ... ganging up" on you when you are speaking, after all, of children, your children.

I really think you need help from someone who knows children, who knows families, and by that I do not mean the "sponsor" you mentioned in the earlier thread.

However grateful you are to your sponsor for his understanding of you, his advice to you about your daughters was, in my view, offensive and dangerous. You need to talk to a family counsellor, and perhaps your daughters need to talk to someone as well.

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Originally posted by Willowdale Wizard:
seeing how "whores repenting their ways" has come up in the feminism forum, i suggest the thread be closed, or moved.

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I repent I repent I repent

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I'm don't drink anymore, I hardly ever do it anyways. Special Occasions sure, but I don't do it like I used to

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Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Where did you get Wing Yip cooking wine in Canada?

That's a UK-only food chain.

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I empathise with your dinner dummy-spit (is that a saying in Canada?)

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SPIT THE DUMMY
To indulge in a sudden display of anger or frustration; to lose one’s temper. The phrase is usually used of an adult, and the implication is that the outburst is childish, like a baby spitting out its dummy in a tantrum and refusing to be pacified.

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My friend, have you ever heard of importing? I've tried many cooking wines, and Wing Yip is the best, even above the import surcharges.

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Dude, we have a nice little redfaced smiley for when you've been busted.

No 'simple fella' from St. Catharines, out of work and short on cash, pays to have bottles of friggin' cooking wine flown over from the UK.

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Dude, we have a nice little redfaced smiley for when you've been busted.

No 'simple fella' from St. Catharines, out of work and short on cash, pays to have bottles of friggin' cooking wine flown over from the UK.

Now go collect your consolation prize. Ironically it's a year's supply of Rice-a-Roni (the SanFransisco treat!)

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Sir, it's only an extra dollar per bottle when compared to other cooking wines. Cooking wines are cheaper than several bottles of Ragu gravy sauce (highway robbery). If you did the math, you'd realize I'm saving a lot of money. The taste is worth the extra dollar and is cheaper in the long run.

The inhabitants' names were the names of babblers.

Imagine all the extra identities that banned trolls dreamed up were separate individuals.

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Today's "Counterpunch" is pretty good.

You say your wife died and the girls, who are teenagers, are giving you a very hard time.

My thoughts: Teenagers do that---they would have given you a hard time even if your wife were still alive. To a certain extent, you just have to take it with a grain of salt. It is part of teenager-hood. Try to let it slide off your back as much as possible. Commisserate with other fathers of teen girls. You will see that such things are endemic.

However, the problem is complicated by their mother's death and, it seems, your former drinking problem. Both reasons indeed for all of you to be extra angry---and extra sensitive.

You don't say when your wife died--I assume fairly recently? I've read that in teens, depression sometimes manifests itself in anger rather than sadness. Mention to them, often, that you miss your wife as well---and ask them to sympathize with you and cut you some slack. They will probably snort and roll their eyes, but the message will have gotten through. Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary.

With respect to the drinking---although I agree with you that alcohol will burn off whilst being cooked, and that rationally your daughters had no reason to be upset, the cooking wine is symbolic to them of your former drinking problem. They were reacting to the symbol, not the substance. Might be better to lay off all alcohol, completely, even special occasions and plain old cooking wine, if not forever, at least for the next (say) 5 years.

With respect to greatfulness / ungreatfulness: don't expect too much. Your knack for good cooking, even under the best of other circumstances, would likely be lost on teenagers who are in general philistines when it comes to such things. They don't have the life experience background to be able to appreciate what they have. To them, it's just food. For example, in my own case, my appreciation for good cooking came about only after I'd left home and discovered that cooking is not as easy as it seems!

But then maybe when it is filed in the archives someone who really does have a problem like this will find it when googling around, in which case my answer may help someone else.

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So what do you think, he is setting us all up for something or he is some kind of christian ex-alcoholic who doesn't drink any more or any less either. [drumroll]laughter/applause[/drumroll]

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Speaking as the former child of a now-deceased drunken parent, I think I can speak with some understanding of your daughters' mindset. When will they forget-and-forgive? Probably never. Given their ages (8 and I'm assuming between 10 and 12), your drinking confused the living shit out of them at a very impressionable age and they'll remember it like nothing else. You say you only drink on special occassions? In their minds, you're relapsing or maybe never really stopped. No grey for them in this situation. One of my earliest memories is of a drunken mum bawling out on the back step about God-knows-what and the look of disgust on my Dad's and older sister's faces. I might've been 4 at the time and 40-odd-years later (damn odd years, I might add ), that image's still there and will be for a very long time. She's long gone now so that's at least in part her legacy to me. You may well have given your daughters a similar legacy; I don't know.

Pardon my French (or Swahili for the French speakers on the board) but if you want their trust back, you're gonna have to be a fuckin' saint (at least in their presence) for a very long time. Without a mother to fall back on, you have a hell of a load and I don't envy you the road ahead. The fact that you're describing them as "brats" says to me that you need to be talking long, hard and often with your sponsor and Group to tame these emotions now before they get out of hand. Resentment for someone in your position isn't an option. Either nip that in the bud through much talk and honest self-reflection or give your daughters up for adoption or to Children's Aid.

as for my language, dude, you're not my bloody dad. so get off my back. i'll swear whenever the hell i want to. if you don't like it, don't read my posts.

and fed, one of his daughters is 8... a far ways away from being a teenager.

[edit] i'm done wasting my time with you, shit for whatever whatever. goodbye.

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The fact that you're describing them as "brats" says to me that you need to be talking long, hard and often with your sponsor and Group to tame these emotions now before they get out of hand...Either nip that in the bud through much talk and honest self-reflection or give your daughters up for adoption or to Children's Aid.

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so, i would suggest you get therapy for yourself. or at the very least, give up your kids for adoption.

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However, if this guy is for real, I am worried for his children. I haven't read through the posts too carefully, but there were a few alarming statements: calling the kids ungrateful brats, becoming enraged with an eight-year old -- these could be warning signs (or complete fiction: it is a discussion board after all).

I do agree that he should seek therapy/counselling, as well as parental support from local organizations. There must be some in St. Catherines. But what if it escalates, and he starts talking about more emotionally (or physically) abusive encounters? How can we respond or intervene for the girls' safety?

As well, I really think this needs to be shunted out of this particular forum. Here's what the dad of two thinks about feminism:

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As a person who has experienced the torment of having one's family torn apart by the CAS, I would ask that posters assess carefully before blithly telling someone to "give your kids up for adoption." Foster homes, institutions and adoption (as unlikely as adoption becomes for teens and preeteens) are tramautic events. As distressing as this (possible hypothetical) family life might be, the dislocation and alienation of fostering and Crown Wardship can be much worse.

Moreover, why do we put such faith in 12 step programs and so-called sponsors? What is needed here is professional family intervention, not more well-intentioned and possibly harmful amateur analysis.

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I'm hardly being flippant, chubby. I meant what I said and I've had experience on both sides of that equation. If his emotions are as wrangled as he says, he has an obligation to either tame them through counselling of some form (and I don't mean suppress) or remove the kids from the situation. It's by far and away the lesser of two evils if things were to devolve here. I had a Dad to pick up the emotional slack in my case; not so with SFoT.

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Originally posted by chubbybear:
As a person who has experienced the torment of having one's family torn apart by the CAS, I would ask that posters assess carefully before blithly telling someone to "give your kids up for adoption." Foster homes, institutions and adoption (as unlikely as adoption becomes for teens and preeteens) are tramautic events. As distressing as this (possible hypothetical) family life might be, the dislocation and alienation of fostering and Crown Wardship can be much worse.

Moreover, why do we put such faith in 12 step programs and so-called sponsors? What is needed here is professional family intervention, not more well-intentioned and possibly harmful amateur analysis.

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Sir, I thank you deeply for sharing this. This is a possbility I myself did not wish to mention. I have yet to be approached by Children's Aid, but a distant relative mentioned this out of 'kindness'. She said she would offer her services to take care of the children and then I can go through my problems on my own.

Last night, when things calmned down, my younger daughter helped braid my older daughter's hair. The two of them began to sing some silly song together. Instead of ignoring them and watching t.v. I simply sat away in the living room and listened to my home filled with their song. It warmed me. And to have this taken away from me would destroy this little bit of happiness in our lives. Despite the differences and fighting I have with my daughters, I am sure we can overcome.

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As far as 12-step programs go, it's a step (so to speak) in the right direction and I'm not suggesting it in lieu of professional counselling. However, it can be really easy to say that 'the psychiatrist doesn't understand what I'm going through because he hasn't been an alcoholic' and use that as an excuse not to talk about the situation with others.

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Huh? Who mentioned religion, let alone feminism?

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sfot's reference to mary magdalene, quotes from the bible (was it chapter luke?), and this:

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Huh? Who mentioned religion, let alone feminism?

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Otherwise, not listening to the suggestions of a qualified professional speaks to a closed mind and a lack of willingness -- big problems for taking and living the second and third step.

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• Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
• Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.

If you want to discuss feminism, then lets do it. But what you have been posting is not feminist-oriented at all.

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I think tears are hardly the best way to wash feet. No, what you really need is a good pumice stone, and a nice soak in a bubble bath.

The real key to washing feet comes down to both softening the skin while removing any calluses. The problem with using tears is that they tend to be salt water, which can dry the skin out.

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while I do think he's a troll, albeit a clever one, he has, inadvertantly I'm sure, allowed some people to write about being kids who grew up with drunks, and what effect it had on them.

And allowed the can of worms around "foster care" to be opened. I've been a foster mom, and my cousin still fosters. I've heard horror stories about terrible fostering situations but I haven't actually SEEN any or spoken to anyone who experienced it. I know one family who is fostering three boys who would rather walk on broken glass than leave that home.

Out here the LiEbrals have ripped the guts out of the protection of children and I really don't think the current system can be "fixed". I think we need a whole new approach, a new kick at the can, and I think the foster parents should be deeply involved in establishing the outline of the mandate. Who knows the kid better? Some overworked social worker who has seen the kid for ten minutes two months ago or the parent who has gone down the hallway every night, at top speed, to grab a screaming child and just hold her until the boogers go back under the bed..until next time. The social workers supervisor, who has never seen the kid or the parent who strips the sodden bed of a ten year old every morning and throws the bedding, pyjamas and at times even the pillow into the washing machine because Depends don't always work, especially if, in her sleep, the kid is fighting what her nightmares tell her is an adult male intruder intent on violating her? Again.

IF single parent of two is for real (and I doubt it) then the children's aid should step in and at the very least get the kids into therapy. Just because this guy is the sperm donor doesn't mean a drunk who thinks he's recovered because he only cooks with wine and drinks on high days and holidays should have custody of two girls who obviously have no reason to trust him. About anything.

But I do think he's on some kind of kick, indulging what he thinks of as humour. As for Mary Magdalene washing Christs feet with her tears... I didn't believe that story the first time they tried to feed it to me. How lachrymose would a woman have to be to get feet washed, especially if the guy wore sandals and had walked a dusty road.

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SFoT: I'm going to assume you are on the up-and-up.

You say your wife died and the girls, who are teenagers, are giving you a very hard time.

My thoughts: Teenagers do that---they would have given you a hard time even if your wife were still alive. To a certain extent, you just have to take it with a grain of salt. It is part of teenager-hood. Try to let it slide off your back as much as possible. Commisserate with other fathers of teen girls. You will see that such things are endemic.

However, the problem is complicated by their mother's death and, it seems, your former drinking problem. Both reasons indeed for all of you to be extra angry---and extra sensitive.

You don't say when your wife died--I assume fairly recently? I've read that in teens, depression sometimes manifests itself in anger rather than sadness. Mention to them, often, that you miss your wife as well---and ask them to sympathize with you and cut you some slack. They will probably snort and roll their eyes, but the message will have gotten through. Lather, rinse, repeat as necessary.

With respect to the drinking---although I agree with you that alcohol will burn off whilst being cooked, and that rationally your daughters had no reason to be upset, the cooking wine is symbolic to them of your former drinking problem. They were reacting to the symbol, not the substance. Might be better to lay off all alcohol, completely, even special occasions and plain old cooking wine, if not forever, at least for the next (say) 5 years.

With respect to greatfulness / ungreatfulness: don't expect too much. Your knack for good cooking, even under the best of other circumstances, would likely be lost on teenagers who are in general philistines when it comes to such things. They don't have the life experience background to be able to appreciate what they have. To them, it's just food. For example, in my own case, my appreciation for good cooking came about only after I'd left home and discovered that cooking is not as easy as it seems!

Now, as one Christian to another, the Spirit blows where He wills. You have fallen in love with the Lord, but the process of falling in love takes different paths with different people---pray for your daughters indeed, but remember the examples of patience of the Christians of old: St. Monica prayed for her son Augustine for decades before his conversion. Being a good father to your daughters is your God-given duty in life right now. It will be hard, thankless, and require a lot of self-sacrifice. But as a Christian, you are called to imitate Jesus. And His life was hard, thankless, and required a lot of self-sacrifice. He knows what you are going through. Rely on Him for support: pray about an hour a day (30 minutes morning and evening): that is the minimum for keeping up a good relationship with God. The Spirit will blow through your daughters' souls when He wills, not when you will it to happen. Maranatha!

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Thank you Ma'am for these kind and strong words of faith and encouragement. My mother once told me :"Strength in this life...happiness in the next". That has always been my belief, to forego my own ambitions for others. Or as my father once told me of the afterlife: 'We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever". Oftentimes my father would say this to me as I would drift off to sleep as a child. It was his way of serenading me to sleep.

My Sponsor, a good and wise elder man offered me an idea of his. He said I should simply take a break from my daughters. Take a weekend trip, cost-willing. I was thinking of doing some backpacking and hiking on the many nature trails. He offered to take care of my daughters for the weekend I'd be gone. Maybe that's what I need, for some time to think and reflect, being amongst nature is always good for the soul. I would like to go on a hiking trip, before the fall rains set in and cold makes it too difficult to trek.

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How lachrymose would a woman have to be to get feet washed, especially if the guy wore sandals and had walked a dusty road.

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Ma'am...have you seen some of the websites on this internet? There are things women will do that are worlds worse than what Mary did, and these women will do it for much less of a cause than the belief of their lord and saviour. One good thing about the internet, is that I am able to see how bad things are out there. Some sites are free, others I have to pay, but I can't since I am broke. I just don't wish for my daughters to end up like those women. Even as I imagine it in terror, it saddens me.

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I spoke this evening to my sponsor, and he said that, my daughter is trying to shock me. He suggested I try 'reverse psychology' with her. Next time I see her in a thong, I should whistle and say how sexy she looks.

My sponsor also told me that I should give her condoms and tell her how to use them. He then said I should use my fingers as a mock phallus to demonstrate how to get the thing on. My sponsor, a wise old man, told me that unless I do this, she might be with child.

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My Sponsor suggested that we have a prayer session at my place. My sponsor spoke of healing and how through prayer we can heal the rift in our family. Although my sponsor was never married and had no children, he discovered the Lord while in prison and thus dedicated his life to helping others upon his release.

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Actually, you'd be surprised, but most evangelicals I've met are not against birth control. Sure, premarital sex is against the "rules" (although many evangelicals do it - I did while I was a practising evangelical Christian)

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You were a practising evangelical Christian? I didn't know that...

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Yes, but I was always a rebel. And I'm recovering, honest!

(Sigh, I guess this means we're through, huh?)

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Slight drift:

Actually, you'd be surprised, but most evangelicals I've met are not against birth control. Sure, premarital sex is against the "rules" (although many evangelicals do it - I did while I was a practising evangelical Christian), but condoms and the pill are not considered to be bad things to most evangelicals I've known. It's the premarital sex that is the bad thing, not the birth control method. I mean, if you're going to break the rules and have premarital sex, then you might as well be smart and stop yourself from getting pregnant.

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Hello Michelle,

Thanks for helping bring light to this. I have been reading the comments in this message area and they basically think I am a liar. Why? Because I don't fall into their stereotypical idea of what a man of the Lord is supposed to be. Because I am a follower of Christ, they believe that I would automatically be against contraception.

What parent would wish against their daughter having protection? I do not wish for my daughter to become with child anytime soon, and at least giving her the options is one of the things I can do.

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Originally posted by ephemeral:
f his friend knows anything about sfot or babble, his friend would have realized that babble is no place for someone who thinks feminism means that girls should grow up to be good wives, or that feminism is somehow deeply tied to mary magdalene repenting her sins by crying on jesus's feet.

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Excuse me sir, what then is good about Feminism? Are you to say that feminism isn't there to help a woman become a good wife? What is wrong with that? Are you to say then that men should not aspire to become good husbands? And who would not wish to wash the feet of the Lord our savior Jesus Christ? If you do not believe in the Lord, that is fine, do not wash his feet...if you believe, a believer would.

So what are the good things of Feminism? I wish for my daughters to become good women, to have self-respect for themselves, stay in school, get an education, and hopefully someday get married and be a good wife to a good husband.

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ha! if anybody's being tormented here, it's your daughters. i hate having you on this board because you're either probably a liar, or it's evident you are oppressing your daughters and controlling them excessively, and there is obviously nothing than anybody on this board can do to help them. there's another word for your treatment of them - it's called 'abuse'. if you're for real, i feel terrible knowing that 2 young girls out there are being treated so shabbily by you, and noone here can help them. you've turned my stomach upside down. i really should stop reading this thread because i'm not interested in having a discussion with you. but i really hate seeing your handle on TAT. now excuse me while i be a good "wife" and go to kiss my unmarried partner's feet - he looks a lot like jesus.

I know, "yuck!" I tried to talk her out of it, but you know she's always been such a strong feminist.

I swing between thinking this is all nonsense and wondering whether audra shouldn't be alerting someone in St Catharines about the girls' upcoming weekend with the sponsor who is going to demonstrate condoms on his fingers for them.

But to more practical things: Martin, the pumice stone is good, but especially in the winter, I find, with our dry indoor climates, if you really want to keep those heels soft and smooth (so you won't snag your pantyhose), you need the supplement: slather the feet with zinc oxide, and then, because it is very sticky and not quickly absorbed and you don't want to mess up your sheets, pull a pair of big socks on over top for the night.

I'm actually working (low pay, but at my convenience: online) and eph. wanted to check babble before she went out.

It's a very good half of a sweater, though.

martin, i think the bride has spoken, eh? dangerous game you're playing here trying to compromise with bridezilla. it is her day after all.

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ephemeral, that is deep. Truly. I shall ponder that.

What is your first association with orange?

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Originally posted by Nam:
Best thing I've seen in use for feet is "Heel Rescue" which is sold in some drugstores. It's the only thing that has worked for my sweety - I file her feet down almost every night and then slather the lotion on. Her feet get very dried out in summer with wearing sandals so this is needed therapy to prevent cracking of the feet.

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[ 28 September 2005: Message edited by: ephemeral ]

deserve what they get

visual pollution

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Originally posted by anne cameron:
double post, I'm sorry..notice I am staying away from feet..feet are the only ugly part of the human body...

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Originally posted by chubbybear:
Nah, I like feet. Volunteer as a foot masseuse anytime.

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Originally posted by RealityBites:
Wow, you must really like feet if you're willing to have a sex change just to touch them.

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Has anyone else noticed the change in writing style of SFoT's posts? Other than content, his first two are written in a very conversational, ordinary tone. The alcohol and religious posts are weird, not just the content but the style of writing. It sounds like he morphed into a 16th Century (I've probably got the century wrong) Puritanical preacher.

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I do not wish for my daughter to become with child ....I fathom you cannot...

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This style of writing just adds to the creepiness.

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He reminds me of guys that used to call the distress hotline I used to volunteer on - "I have a problem (sob sob)....you sound like a nice woman (sob sob)....are you wearing nylons?"

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You're not serious... damn.

Though I must say that this comment he made

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Ma'am...have you seen some of the websites on this internet? There are things women will do that are worlds worse than what Mary did, and these women will do it for much less of a cause than the belief of their lord and saviour. One good thing about the internet, is that I am able to see how bad things are out there. Some sites are free, others I have to pay, but I can't since I am broke.

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Originally posted by fast_twitch_neurons:
Personally I'm more afraid this father of two is for real. I feel bad for him, and for the daughters... what's going to happen to them when they grow up, are they going to have trouble focusing? trusting men? trusting anyone?

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hi fast_twitch_neurons! i sincerely hope he's not for real because if he is, it makes me sick to think that someone out there is abusing 2 young grrls, and another man (the sponsor) is encouraging the abuse, and there's nothing anybody here can do about it because he's just a cyber-identity. this guy comes on here talking about how grounding his daughters and "keeping track" of his daughters, among other nasty things, is the best way to treat an 8 and 12 year old. i feel downright helpless, but i think he's said enough stupid things for us to be sure he's lying. our riotous magoo provides more proof here.

besides, he seems to have gone now.

[ 29 September 2005: Message edited by: ephemeral ]