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Hephaestion
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posted 06 December 2005 05:25 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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(QD) UK same-sex civil partnerships officially passed into law yesterday, thus the long expected first ceremonies that received royal assent over a year ago will begin later this month. The unions kick off in Northern Ireland on the 19th, in Scotland on the 20th and in England and Wales on the 21st - which is when Elton John and David Furnish plan to tie the knot.

Percy Stevens, pictured with his partner, said, "This is a landmark document and an important day. ... We have been a partnership for 40 years, but now we can legally say we are full citizens..." At least 1,200 civil unions have already been scheduled - and just in case you're interested in whether or not gay couples start looking more and more alike over the years, don't miss these guys.


[ 06 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 06 December 2005 05:29 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's sad that this second-class citizenship is being greeted with such enthusiasm. When Quebec and Nova Scotia offered civil unions, they were hailed as what they were - a step towards equality, not equality.
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Hephaestion
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posted 06 December 2005 05:31 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree. It's better than nothing, but it's *not* equality. Percy Stevens is incorrect; he and his partner are not yet "full citizens".
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posted 06 December 2005 05:35 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And it really annoys me that Elton John has chosen to get unioned in the UK when he could have gotten married in his partner's home town and highlighted this inequality.
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posted 06 December 2005 08:54 PM      Profile for Boarsbreath   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, not quite there...hence the long faces
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Ron Webb
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posted 06 December 2005 09:35 PM      Profile for Ron Webb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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We are able to publicly declare that we are no different to anybody else. We have been a partnership for 40 years but now we can legally say we are full citizens and that is very important.
(The emphasis is mine, but the words are Steven's.)

I'm guessing that if Percy Steven had expressed his enthusiasm for civil partnerships on Babble, he would have been branded a bigot and there would have been cries to have him banned.


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posted 06 December 2005 09:38 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
God you are one obsessed asshole, Ron. Get some help.
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Yst
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posted 06 December 2005 09:51 PM      Profile for Yst     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, I was similarly disappointed to hear Elton John is getting married in the UK with a mere civil partnership. Oh well.

My concern, as many others, is that civil unions may well be used as not a stepping stone to, but as a legislative bullwark against, genuine equal marriage.


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Ron Webb
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posted 06 December 2005 10:01 PM      Profile for Ron Webb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Originally posted by RealityBites:
God you are one obsessed asshole, Ron. Get some help.
Obsessed? One of us is obsessed, for sure. Just a few days ago, you accused me of bigotry in a thread I wasn't even participating in.

Call it an obsession if you want, but I think I have a right to defend myself. I have said nothing on this forum any more extreme than what Percy Steven said. Kindly lay off the character assassinations, unless you're willing to include Steven in your attacks.


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posted 06 December 2005 10:15 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You ARE a bigot Ron.

You are proof positive that this board's moderators' commitment to gay rights is pure D bullshit. You've done nothing here but spew your contempt for gay people and their rights, but since you've expressed it without swearing they've consistently refused to take any action about someone who has steadfastly, over dozens and dozens of posts, made it 100% clear he is opposed to equality for gays and lesbians.


It's perfectly clear that it's ALWAYS been open season on queers on babble and always will be, as long as they don't actually call us names and I am bloody sick of it.

It comes up time after time in rabble reactions and the moderators don't even respond, let alone take ANY action.

Anyone who thinks a LBGT forum is going to do any good is dreaming in technicolor. They don't give a damn who shits on us or how much they shit on us, as long as it's done "politely."

You're a bigot Ron. You don't like being called one, then I have the same advice I have for Stephen Harper: stop being one.


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Ron Webb
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posted 06 December 2005 11:37 PM      Profile for Ron Webb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whatever. For the record, I am not opposed to equal rights for gays or their unions, and never have been (unless Steven is too). But I'm not interested in a flame war.
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Hephaestion
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posted 06 December 2005 11:42 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You've made your position abundantly clear many times, Ron. You don't call that position bigoted; others do. Get used to it. Move on.
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posted 06 December 2005 11:47 PM      Profile for Ron Webb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My position is the same as Percy Steven's. Is he bigoted?
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Hephaestion
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posted 06 December 2005 11:55 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
1) Percy is gay
2) Percy is not trying to impose a "solution" on anyone else, particularly a group he doesn't belong to
3) Shut the fuck up and go AWAY, Ron.

[ 07 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 07 December 2005 07:03 AM      Profile for Crippled_Newsie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The first couple to register their parrtnership did so only just in time.

BBC:

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A terminally ill man believed to be the first in Britain to "marry" his partner in a civil partnership has died just one day after the ceremony.

Matthew Roche, 46, who had lung cancer, and Christopher Cramp held their ceremony hours after the Civil Partnership Act became law on Monday.

The couple, from Brighton, were given special permission to go ahead before the normal 15-day waiting period.
...
For most couples in England, the first day they will be allowed to tie the knot is 21 December.

Mr Roche feared that he would not live that long and Mr Cramp applied to the Worthing registrar for special permission for their ceremony to go ahead straight away.

The couple, who have been together seven years, were legally joined at 1100 GMT on Monday.

The hospice said Mr Roche died on Tuesday afternoon.


As sad as this story makes me, I can't help but think of similar couples in similar situations, but had to make do with less, last month or last year-- along with the similar couples in the US who will never see such a thing done nationwide.


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Hephaestion
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posted 07 December 2005 09:16 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
shit.

And as well, Tape, all those who will die or become incapacitated, leaving their partners with no way to legally ensure that their wishes are carried out, to inherit their property, and so on. What the UK has is only a half-measure, but even that is more than so many people will ever have in their lifetime.

Damn.


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Hephaestion
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posted 17 December 2005 11:22 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Civil unions may actually hurt some gay couples

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(London) A British LGBT rights group on Thursday said that civil partnerships could harm some gay and lesbian couples, especially if they are poor, sick or elderly.

The first civil partnerships will be held next week throughout the UK. Under the law same-sex couples who register as civil partners will have the same rights as married couples. But, even if they do not register they will be affected by some of the law's provisions.

Andrew Brettell is 63 years old and lives in Kent with his 44 year-old partner Martin. They have cohabited for 18 years and took out a mortgage 16 years ago.

Now, as a result of benefit changes introduced to coincide with civil partnerships, Brettell will suffer benefit cuts of over $10,000 a year, even though he and his partner are not registering.

"Because of my ill-health and my poor work record, I am on pension credit," Brettell said Thursday.

He said that his pension credit is means-tested and his partner’s income will now be taken into account. "I will lose £460 a month in pension credit, plus housing benefit of £50 per month. My total benefits loss is £6,120 a year; plus the loss of free dental and prescription charges."

Gay rights group OutRage is calling on the government to immediately put in place transitional protections for people like Brettell and his partner.



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skdadl
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posted 17 December 2005 11:27 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmn. I wonder about the logic of means-testing "pension credit," whatever that is. Maybe one of our British readers could explain to us how this works?

It doesn't sound like a very happy set-up for anyone to me, but I may not be grasping all the issues.


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posted 17 December 2005 11:39 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm guessing it might be similar to our Guaranteed Income Supplement, where spouse's income is also taken into account.
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Hephaestion
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posted 05 January 2006 12:59 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Second civil partnership ends in death

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(London) This should have been one of happiest times in the lives of Tony Williamson and Eric Stone. They were one of the first British couples to exchange vows in a civil partnership in Blackpool. Now Stone is mourning his partner's death.

Just ten days after their civil union Williamson, 50, succumbed to a long battle with brain cancer. Stone was by his side at their home when he died.

"We knew he was very poorly, but he was determined to have our ceremony on the first day of the new civil partnerships," said Stone. "That kept him going and I have wonderful memories of the day."

Williamson had been fighting cancer for several years, but just days before the civil partnership was to be conducted he was told two more tumors had been found.

Stone, 75, also is seriously ill himself with lung cancer.


I fear a lot of the members of the "first wave" of civil unions will die soon, as I suspect many, like these two, and Cramp and Roche, are couples who have been together many years and are "getting up there". It would have been nice if they'd been able to do it many years ago, but at least there are now some inheritance and survivor benefits in place. Civil unions, however, are not equality yet...

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Hephaestion
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posted 10 January 2006 06:12 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nuptials for gay Anglican cleric

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A leading member of the Anglican Church has exchanged vows with his longtime partner with his bishop and the dean of his cathedral in attendance - a move likely to further infuriate conservatives in the worldwide church.

Canon Jeremy Davies, the Precentor of Salisbury Cathedral, entered into a civil partnership with opera singer Simon McEnery, his partner of 18 years.

The civil ceremony was held at an English country manor and performed by a civil servant, but the presence of Salisbury's Bishop, the Rt Rev David Stancliffe, and Dean, the Very Rev June Osborne at the reception is seen as giving approval of the union.

[...]

A spokesperson for the diocese defended the presence of the two. 

"This was a civil partnership ceremony and there was no religious involvement," he said. "It followed exactly the legal requirements and the guidelines of the Church of England."

Last July the House of Bishops for the Church of England said that gay clerics could have civil unions provided they had the permission of their bishops, did not have a church blessing, and did not equate the union with marriage.

Davies and McEnery issued a statement through the diocese saying that they look forward to the legal security the union would give them, and were "proud" to be among the first same-sex couples to enter into a civil partnership.

[...]

This week about 800 conservative Anglicans are expected at a Birmingham, Alabama, including African and Asian archbishops who have warned of a possible schism if the U.S. Episcopal Church does not renounce its approval of gay bishops and blessing of same-sex unions.

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Hephaestion
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posted 11 January 2006 04:42 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LGBT cops report increased discrimination from other cops since civil unions bill passed

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LGBT police officers say they are facing increasing homophobic bullying and harassment from fellow officers.

Much of it, the Gay Police Association says has come following the legalization of same-sex unions in Britain.

The Association reports that there has been a 75 per cent increase in calls on its 24-hour action line.

It says that most of the harassment is from conservative Christian and Muslim officers.

[...]

The Association has made police forces aware of the growing problem but Coding says senior officers are uncertain how to discipline offenders without violating the officers' personal religious rights.

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Irony of ironies: by denying gays the word marriage, the UK's managed to deny it to everyone/

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The word 'marriage' is to be taken off register office signs in case it offends gay couples turning up for civil partnership ceremonies.

Councils in the West Midlands are being recommended to remove references to marriage suites at register offices after the introduction of the new partnerships last month.

Government body LACORS (the Local Authorities Coordinators of Regulatory Services) has issued a Civil Partnership checklist.

Included in the checklists, which were sent out on December 5, are points of advice such as:


* Is your signage correct? Have you considered changing the name of your marriage room to something similar for Civil Partnership?


* You may find that ordering stationary packs for information for couples could be re-named "your Ceremony" instead of "Your Wedding".



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Hephaestion
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posted 02 February 2006 07:13 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I guess it's not just gay cops who are facing discrimination...

Britain in grip of homophobic crime wave

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A number of recent violent physical attacks on gays and lesbians has police urging caution when going out. The most recent attack left a Northern Ireland man in danger of losing the sight in one eye.

The 20 year old man was attacked as he walked along a street in Londonderry. The man, whose name is being withheld for his own safety, is in stable condition in hospital. But police say it is not the first time he has been attacked and other gay men in the city have also been beaten.

A week ago a gay couple near London escaped possible death when someone tried to set fire to their home. Peter Cameron, 56, and his partner Nick Hughes, 39, found their hallway ablaze but were able to extinguish the flames before the fire caught hold.

[...]

In another incident a lesbian couple was pelted with snowballs that had stones and broken glass embedded in them.

[...]

Police say they believe there have been dozens of other cases throughout the country that have gone unreported.

While both Dobrowski and Morley were killed last year police believe that the number of homophobic attacks on gays has increased with the publicity over civil partnerships which became legal in December.

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Hephaestion
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posted 14 March 2006 06:32 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The homophobic crime wave continues...

Gay Man Beaten Unconscious By London Gang

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London's Metropolitan Police are investigating two separate violent attacks on gay men - one involving a street gang, the other a gay rapist.

In the first incident, a man was set upon by a street gang as he left a gay bar with his partner. The gang members hurled homophobic epithets as they beat the 27 year old victim.

The man, whose name is being withheld for his own protection, was left unconscious.  His partner was able to escape relatively unharmed.

Up to six men are being sought in the attack which occurred only a short distance from where another gay man, Jody Dobrowski, was fatally attacked last year.



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posted 14 March 2006 10:09 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Gay Man Beaten Unconscious By London Gang
Man, this is so fucking sick. I remember hanging out at a couple of really cool clubs with some gay pals in London, back in the day. I wish they could stop this shit.

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