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martin dufresne
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posted 25 May 2008 04:41 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From Global Sisterhood network distribution list:
quote:
Niko Bellic vs. Britney Spears and Indiana Jones
By BILL MARSH
Published: May 11, 2008

How huge is Grand Theft Auto IV, the recently released installment of the guns-ablazing video game franchise?

(...)Wall Street analysts expected it to sell about five million copies in its first two weeks. Instead, it sold 3.6 million copies in just one day, April 29. Sales hit six million globally in its first week for a total haul of $500 million, it was announced Wednesday.

G.T.A. IV may move more than 15 million copies over its sales lifetime - which will last a lot longer than most of its thuggish characters do.
Game players inhabit a gangster who is equipped to dispatch scores of rival criminals and others, including police officers and innocent bystanders, on the rough streets of Liberty City, the bullet-riddled stand-in for New York.

By several imperfect measures, G.T.A. IV, which sells for $60 in the United States, is shaping up to be one of the biggest products in entertainment history.

There is no definitive comparison of all-time best-selling music, film, games and books. Each industry tends to calculate revenues by its own ethods. Most of those figures are unavailable to he public, closely guarded in a fiercely competitive business.

For a little context, however, it is possible to place Grand Theft Auto IV's expected sales - and sales of the whole series (eight titles) - among the iconic names of the film and music idustries. Britney Spears, meet Niko Bellic, G.T.A. IV's criminal star. He is on track to sell more than nine million copies of his game, domestically - approaching what you sold of "Oops . . . I Did It Again," the 24th-biggest album since detailed sales data appeared in 1991.

About 70 million copies of earlier G.T.A. editions have sold worldwide since the 1997 debut, perhaps three-quarters of those domestically - roughly 53 million units. That is close to Whitney Houston's career unit
sales (rank: 20), and ahead of U2, Celine Dion and Shania Twain, according to the Recording Industry Association of America.

Previous versions of G.T.A. provoked harsh criticism for their bloodstained plotlines. The latest, which allows players to hire prostitutes and then run them over or shoot them right after they've performed their work, has been met with a more muted response, thus far, as it flies off store shelves.



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Catchfire
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posted 25 May 2008 05:44 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why didn't you put this in the already existing thread on GTA? You know, the one I linked to in the last GTA4 thread you opened about exactly the same subject?
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posted 25 May 2008 06:21 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Because violence against women is a feminist issue, not just a blip on the "culture' screed.
And no, it isn't about the same issue. My earlier post was strictly about the promotion of lap dancing and exploitive virility in GTA4.
I didn't know at the time or mention that the new version of the game brought into the main program - for humongous profits - the beating up and murder of prostituted women, that had previously been limited to the Hot Coffee modification of GTA III San Andreas.Prostitutes call for ban on GTA
Also, I have to ask: why do you feel compelled to play moderator here and try to contain discussion to culture and a now-dead thread? What's the problem: am I wasting a thrill for you?

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posted 25 May 2008 07:34 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
martin, you can do whatever you like. Personally, I think that context adds a lot to the discussion (for instance, if you had read it, you would know that the ability to hire prostitutes and kill them has been in the game from the beginning and is not new to GTA4). I also think that culture is not "screed," but the singular most important battleground for politics and ideology. Since the whole board is feminist, I don't think that a thread in culture is somehow not feminist--in fact, the last thread had a distinct feminist line of inquiry. I am also against needless thread proliferation on principle. You are welcome to disagree.

I'm not sure what your last hostile line is meant to communicate, it doesn't make much sense. I do find puritanical moralizing, especially the kind that lacks a critical edge, rather tedious, however.

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posted 25 May 2008 08:16 AM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Tedious? I don't presume to entertain you, Catchfire, but do you really feel that only "puritans" oppose trivializing the murder of women in a context of prostitution? I guess we're not living in the same world.
As for the option for gamers to beat up and kill prostituted women having been previously available in GTA, I am well aware of it and referred to it in my post. To resist your attempt at obfuscation, I am including a fuller quote from Wikipedia:
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(The) San Andreas (version of GTA III)also attracted controversy when a sex minigame that was cut from the game, but remained in the game code, was discovered in both the console and Windows versions of the game. Dubbed the Hot Coffee mod, the minigame allowed players to have sex with their in-game girlfriends.

(This will be my last post in this thread, given men's unfortunate tendency to hog it with senseless "cock-fights".)

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posted 25 May 2008 08:27 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Hot Coffee mod is not what is referred to when people talk about prostitutes and the attendant violence. Hot coffee was a simulated sex modification, not an opportunity for violence. Without any modification or code, you could hire a prostitute in the very first GTA3 game (San Andreas is the third installment of GTA3).

Anyway, I've already given my opinion in the other thread, of which this is a duplicate.


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