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George Victor
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posted 15 July 2008 01:58 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has this 1983 work ever been reviewed here?

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posted 15 July 2008 06:12 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe this thread belongs in the babble book lounge, so I'm moving it there.
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George Victor
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posted 16 July 2008 12:24 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Right.

The back cover describes it as "The dramatic story of the most successful grassroots lobby ever organized in this country."

"In 1981, unknown to most Canadians, thousands of women rallied in support of Clause 28, an addition to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that would for the first time assert equality of the sexes as a basic tenet for the nation.

The Taking of 28 presents an insider's view of how this unexpected victory was achieved. It details the process from beginning to end, focussing on the specifics of organizing, strategies used, manoeuvering done and introduces a cast of characters that includes politicians, bureaucrats and a broad spectrum of dedicated women from across Canada. In total, The Taking of 28 is an incisive account of a faro-reaching moment in history, the implications of which are only now being explored."

I offer it up not just because my Dutch-born, rabble rousing spouse gets honourable mention, but because a vast array of young women have no idea of the battles that their taken-for-granted rights were born in.

Matter of fact, perhaps a majority now shrink from identifying with the "feminist" movement that bought them a formal equality, because the guys look down on such things.

Some work still to be done, methinks.

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posted 18 July 2008 12:28 PM      Profile for jrose     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by George Victor:
Has this 1983 work ever been reviewed here?

Looks to me (from a basic yahoo! search) that the book has never been reviewed at rabble.


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posted 19 July 2008 10:29 AM      Profile for Digiteyes   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was important work that these women did.

I grew up reading the Want-Ads in the Gazette and Montreal Star. There were two columns: "Help Wanted - Men" and "Help Wanted - Women". There is nothing so dispiriting as reading that jobs that are interesting are forbidden to you because they belong to men only.

I fought to have girls allowed to be servers in my (Anglican) church. One church woman responded with a rolling of eyes and a plaint that "next you'll be wanting women to be priests"

OK, so I should have given up on the church :-)

I used to argue with my priest that the parent who earns more should continue to work, while the parent who earns less should stay home with the children, if desired (this was the '70's). He had problems with that, because his wife, a dietitian, earned more than an Anglican priest.

Did I tell you I should have given up on the church?

Especially when, over coffee one morning after the service, one of the men said that it was a shame that my really good friend was going into engineering -- that signalled that she was just trying to be "one of the boys" -- instead of going into a program that is more suited to delicate young women.

But you know, at this point, I was still going to church and trying to make a difference. I hadn't yet given up on the church.

Until I came home at Thanksgiving (I was going to university 400 miles from home) and the assistant priest turned his back on me because I hadn't been there for six weeks. Obviously an apostate.

So at that point, I did give up. On the church. It took another 25 years for me to give up on religion completely.


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George Victor
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posted 20 July 2008 07:00 AM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You will love Christina McCall's My Life as a Dame. And not just Part 111, "Feminist in Arms"(her background was Presbyterian).

Part 1V is The Drama of Politics", which Christina considered "mens' territory" when she broke into journalism and broke the story assignment mould. And of course "How Mel WAtkins Brought Socialism to the NDP" (Saturday Night, September, 1970), will bring all oldtimers to their feet shouting about missed opportunities - and leave newcomers shaking their head at that same thought.

I look forward to reading the full review of this entertaining and instructive work in "the lounge" soon, and you might want to put your name on the waiting list at your library. But perhaps it's also a buy (Anansi, $32.95) to keep for reference.

We live in even more chaotic and interesting times now, nearly four decades later, and the crowning of investment capital to meet everyone's dreams in old age can have only one outcome - change!

I think that the remnants of the Womens' Movement of the 70s and 80s should make it a project for 2010 to deliver another printing of The Taking of Twenty-Eight. Give some shape to what is now a disorganized response to churches about control of one's own body and life and such.

In fact I read something by or about Penney Kome not very long ago so I suspect she is still "extant", and maybe has lots of copies on hand.

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George Victor
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posted 24 July 2008 12:24 AM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whoops.

Christina actually pooh poohed the struggle celebrated by Penney Kome;..."Penney" it is

In Chapter 19, "Women and Political Power: What's Holding Us Back" (Chatelaine, December, 1982)

"I get it. I hear you saying, she's talking aout networks. Well, women have networks too now. Yes, I know they do. But from my observation, and from the observations of several women who view the three major federal parties from within, they're not the same as male networks. The bulk of them are comprised of "supportive" or "survival" groups that grew out of the women's movement and that still operate outside the mainstream of political life, gathering their forces periodically for the occasional guerrilla raid, like the two mounted in 1981 with so much publicity and so little effect over the question of the Constitution and then falling back without consolidating their gains."


But, then, Stephen Clarkson has done some bad editing here by not pointing out that in fact, the native peoples of Canada used the 1981 intercession to bring forward their demands for inclusion, so that by 1985, the 1981 struggles DID have real effect, for everyone.

Or does my memory serve me wrong?

I know that Clarkson, biographer of P.E.T. has the political moxy to know just what he is doing here - he was one of the course supervisors during my graduate time at U.of T.

But apparently, that year, Stephen was recovering from the Adrien experience and was "dispatching flowers" to Christina's "various hotels" during her tour of Europe with Premier Peter Lougheed's mission in search of capital for Alberta. They were hitched the next year.

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M. Spector
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posted 24 July 2008 01:31 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jrose:
Looks to me (from a basic yahoo! search) that the book has never been reviewed at rabble.
And a search using the babble search engine, and the correct spelling of her first name ("Penney"), confirms this.

She did, however, write a great rabble column shortly after September 11, 2001.


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Penney
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posted 26 August 2008 10:05 AM      Profile for Penney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi --

I'm Penney Kome, and delighted for George Victor's interest in my second book, The Taking of Twenty-Eight. These days, I am the Editor of StraightGoods.ca and webweaver for www.adhoc25.org which celebrates the 25th anniversary of the women's constitutional conference, and compares Sec. 28 and especially Section 15 (which women's groups greatly modified during the public hearings on the Charter) with gender rights in Rwanda, Afghanistan and (I think) South Africa. I put The Taking of Twenty-Eight on lulu.com because every once in a while some researcher contacts me and wants a copy urgently -- and the book is out of print, even though I hear regularly from students who had to read it (or portions of it) for their women's studies courses. The political significance of the women's lobby dissipated when Brian Mulroney defeated John Turner. The legal significance of gender rights in the Charter, and the made-in-Canada definition of gender equality, is recognized around the world.


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Penney
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posted 26 August 2008 10:09 AM      Profile for Penney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ooops, sorry. Some squatters grabbed adhoc25.org so I changed the domain name to adhoc25.ca But the website's still there.
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George Victor
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posted 26 August 2008 04:50 PM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello Penney. Alida is not able to say hi (she appears on p. 90 of your compact tome), but would likely want to ask your opinion on the generational backsliding toward acceptance of things like under-representation of women in the legislatures.

That is, there is not the militancy demonstrated in the media, letters to the editor, etc., that marked the 70s and 80s in this and in other ways.

What happened besides the ascension of lyin' Brian?


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Penney
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posted 26 August 2008 07:44 PM      Profile for Penney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi George;
Thanks for your response. I think that Brian Mulroney's regime was the beginning of a huge backlash against feminism, which was called "the f-word" in his circles. David Frum, who gained prominence here and in the US, opined that feminism was almost as dangerous as communism. Conrad Black's National Post hired on half a dozen vocal anti-feminist women columnists. As a journalist who specialized in covering women's issues (I wrote the Woman's Place column in Homemaker's Magazine 1976-1988) and who published six books on women's issues, I can tell you that the market for that kind of coverage practically disappeared. I co-wrote the "A Woman's View" column in the Calgary Herald 1990-94. When Conrad Black and Paul Demerais bought a controlling share in Southam, the Herald let go all of its three feminist columnists. Feminists haven't gone away or given up. The stories are still out there. Women's groups have suffered major funding losses and many have shut their doors. But feminists are still organizing, still winning important victories, still recruiting young women. You asked specifically about women losing ground in Parliament. Doris Anderson led the campaign for proportional representation, and many women are still dedicated to that issue (see equalvoice.ca ) Leaf.ca is another group that's still active, still winning court challenges.

Hope this is helpful.


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Penney
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posted 26 August 2008 09:28 PM      Profile for Penney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BTW, I'm sorry to hear that Alida is "not able" to say hi. The K-W women played key roles in the campaign.
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George Victor
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posted 16 September 2008 10:16 AM      Profile for George Victor        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello again Penney.

Has the Palin "feminist" phenom been convincing for more than "Real Women"?

The public take on her appeal might be an interesting sign of what's happened in the past few years. Or was the real feminism of the 70s and 80s limited, even then, to a vanguard?


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