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lagatta
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posted 14 April 2004 11:47 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, she is rather pretty, I guess it is just because this Russian schoolgirl looks like an ordinary, non-airbrushed person and is not especially tall or slim. Like the "anti-barbie" movement. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3625213.stm
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Puetski Murder
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posted 14 April 2004 10:01 PM      Profile for Puetski Murder     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like her! Seriously, this is one Miss Universe I would watch.
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kingblake
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posted 15 April 2004 04:35 AM      Profile for kingblake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I LOVED this story. Is there any way we can force all the Miss Universe contests to be more democratic?

"Barbie, No Pasaran"


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N.Beltov
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posted 15 April 2004 05:14 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quite a contrast to the recently crowned Miss America...who went public with her intention to spout the virtues of the current U.S. role in Iraq. Seems that she views it as her duty to do so.
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Tommy Shanks
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posted 15 April 2004 11:44 AM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why would anyone expect a Beauty Queen to have something worthwhile to contribute to the debate on Iraq except platitudes?

I still remember the interview Michael Moore did with Miss America in "Roger and Me". I suspect most others are similarly challenged?


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N.Beltov
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posted 15 April 2004 12:04 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy Shanks:
Why would anyone expect a Beauty Queen to have something worthwhile to contribute to the debate on Iraq except platitudes?

...because young women like Alyona are rocking the boat and "represent a catalyst to reveal problems of our (Russian) society." So a different approach for young women is possible. And we admire that more than some busty barbie blathering on about Bush and Co.

[ 15 April 2004: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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Michelle
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posted 15 April 2004 02:12 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmm. One could infer from your last sentence that whether or not a woman's opinion should be respected should depend on whether she's a "busty Barbie" or a plain Jane.

I admire Alyona's opinion because I agree with it, and I disagree with Miss America's position not because she's a "busty Barbie" but because I disagree with it.


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N.Beltov
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posted 15 April 2004 02:43 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

Hmm. One could infer from your last sentence that whether or not a woman's opinion should be respected should depend on whether she's a "busty Barbie" or a plain Jane.


Really?

Alyona seems to be a kind of subversive to the beauty contest. I like that. What she's done draws attention to social problems in Russia. And her message is more powerful, to me, because her whole approach mocks and undermines the contest. It draws attention to things that are more important and trivializes what should be trivialized.

It wasn't my intention to belittle Miss USA but rather to insist that we should expect her to have "something worthwhile to contribute" (to borrow Tommy Shanks expression) and not presume that she is "challenged." I'm not sure that we disagree at all...

I freely fess up to alliterative excess however.


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Tommy Shanks
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posted 15 April 2004 05:00 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually I was referring to this:

quote:
Quite a contrast to the recently crowned Miss America...who went public with her intention to spout the virtues of the current U.S. role in Iraq. Seems that she views it as her duty to do so.

It seems that traditional "Beauty Queens", unlike Alyona, tend to be somewhat, howshall we say, limited intellectually. But what does one expect from Ms. Texas? If you're looking for pronouncements and reasoning the Ms. Universe Pagent ain't where you should be looking. If your idea of cutting commentary is "I wish for world peace and I love kitty-cats" than a typical participant in the Ms. World shin-dig should be right up your alley.

As too this:

quote:
One could infer from your last sentence that whether or not a woman's opinion should be respected should depend on whether she's a "busty Barbie" or a plain Jane.

Quite the opposite. If someone has something of worth to contribute, then I should listen.

[ 15 April 2004: Message edited by: Tommy Shanks ]


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Mr. Magoo
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posted 15 April 2004 05:06 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"I wish for world peace and I love kitty-cats"

Apropos of nothing, doesn't that describe about 75% of babblers?


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