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Topic: Women in the Canadian army
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BlawBlaw
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posted 17 May 2006 01:17 PM
Positions were broken down into "combat" (infantry and armoured), "combat support" (engineer and artillery) and "support" (everything else from truck drivers to technicians to medics).Combat arms (combat and combat support) were opened to women in the late 1980s and early 1990s. More information can be found here. As far as I know the UK has specifically decided to not integrate women into the infantry and marines. They don't have a written bill of rights so that decision cannot be challenged in the courts. article
From: British Columbia | Registered: Jan 2006
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Jimmy Brogan
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posted 17 May 2006 03:03 PM
Strange coincidence:A Canadian female captain has been killed in Afghanistan today. Details are sketchy. BULLETIN - CBC is reporting that a woman Canadian soldier has been killed in Afghanistan. She has not been identified, but was a captain in the Canadian Forces. She died during a major operation south of Kandahar. [ 17 May 2006: Message edited by: Jimmy Brogan ]
From: The right choice - Iggy Thumbscrews for Liberal leader | Registered: Nov 2002
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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 17 May 2006 04:11 PM
I'm kind of suprised that in terms of gender integration (i.e what women are allowed to do as opposed to what they actually do) that Canada is more advanced that the UK or the US...the women in the BBC article is absolutely correct, there's no reason women should be barred from any post in the in the army, navy, or air force..re-Edited to add: I can't say why I'm suprised though...probably because Canada usually follows the US in these things.. [ 17 May 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ] [ 17 May 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ]
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arborman
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posted 17 May 2006 04:40 PM
quote: Originally posted by Pride for Red Dolores:
re-Edited to add: I can't say why I'm suprised though...probably because Canada usually follows the US in these things..
Really? I may be wrong, but I've generally seen Canada as leading the US when it comes to progressive changes, and certainly when it comes to the rights of women. I could be wrong though - when did abortion become legal in Canada compared to the US? I'm curious about the experiences of women in combat units. They (the units) run the risk of being hotspots of sexism and racism, and have been so in the past (i.e. Airborne), but I'm curious what the circumstances are now. Hopefully good, as our troops tend to be highly professional, but I'd like to know for sure.
From: I'm a solipsist - isn't everyone? | Registered: Aug 2003
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Steve Tree
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posted 17 May 2006 04:47 PM
Well, I'm just a reservist (musician), so I can't comment of what it's like for Reg. Force deployments, but from what I've seen, the CF does not follow behind the American military in any socially progressive sense.While the American system may officially pay lip service to equal rights, I've been told by first-hand sources that it's not unheard to have racially segregated messes in the US, and there's just no comparison of the two in terms of gay rights. The American policy is: "don't ask, don't tell." (Which implies that being gay is a problem, but that they look the other way, as long as you stay quiet about it.) The Canadian policy is: this is a non-issue. There is no need for a policy.
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voice of the damned
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posted 18 May 2006 06:09 AM
quote: I could be wrong though - when did abortion become legal in Canada compared to the US?
It's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison, but the US basically beats Canada there. Roe v. Wade was 1973, but it only abolished restrictions in the first trimester, allowing(though not forcing) states to restrict the prodcedure in the later trimesters. However, at that point ANY Canadian woman wanting an abortion had to go in front of a review commitee, irrespective of trimester. Canada's abortion law was struck down in 1988, and a combination of anti-choice and pro-choice senators later blocked the implementation of a law that would have been more restrictive than Roe V. Wade. EDIT: When I said it was an "apples and oranges" comparison, what I meant was that abortion in the US is regulated by the states, within the limitations set by the Supreme Court, whereas abortion in Canada is regulated by the federal government. So prior to Roe V. Wade, some states had more liberal laws than Canada, whereas some had more restrictive laws. Following Roe v Wade, first-trimester abortion was unregulated in the US, and seond and third trimester varied from state to state. But in Canada until 1988, ALL abortions were regulated by the hospital review boards. (Admittedly, the interpretation of the guidelines probably varied from board to board). Obviously, since Canada currently has no abortion law, abortion is less regulated in Canada than in the US. [ 18 May 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ] [ 18 May 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ] [ 18 May 2006: Message edited by: voice of the damned ]
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jester
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posted 02 June 2006 10:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by Michelle:
Perhaps he felt that even in situations where women were equal to him in rank, he was "leading" them simply because he was a man and they were women?
If equal in rank,would seniority in rank preclude a man opening the tank hatch and allowing a woman to go before him? Is it patriachial to open the tank hatch for a woman? If so,is it misognystic to be paternalistic if the woman is exposed to hostile intent before the man?
From: Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain | Registered: Jan 2006
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Pride for Red Dolores
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posted 04 June 2006 09:11 AM
Firstly, in my experience menstruation is at worst a bit like stubbing your toe-it may hurt for a little, but then you go on with your day- outof all canadian women,few women have serious problem with menstruating. The idea that its a negative thing indicative of sickenss and the inherent weakness and sickliness of the female body is very out of date to say the least. That's why most menstrual pad ads you've seen on tv no longer hinge on what a pain in the behind or just plain misery it is to get one's period.Menstruating is something to be celebrated as a symbol of life.- No pain , no gain. Secondly, I'm pretty certain the Candian military provides tampons or pads for women- everey individual woman is hardly gonna load up on pads if they anticipate being abroad for several months, right? I also imagine that some are on the pill, thus possibly eliminating the problem altogether.[ 04 June 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ]- for spelling mistakes [ 04 June 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ] [ 04 June 2006: Message edited by: Pride for Red Dolores ]
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Contrarian
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posted 04 June 2006 02:03 PM
According to profiles, slimpikins is a male and nuclearfreezone is a female. Who has more experience?Some women bleed like stuck pigs; some don't. Some alway have serious cramps, some do sometimes, some don't. It varies a lot. I suspect Pride is male as well. I may be wrong about you, Pride; but honestly, I find it hard to believe that any woman welcomes the onset of her monthly menses as a New Agey celebration of life instead of a bloody bore that has to be dealt with. [ 04 June 2006: Message edited by: Contrarian ]
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Mike878
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posted 04 June 2006 03:22 PM
[QUOTE]I also imagine that some are on the pill, thus possibly eliminating the problem altogether. QUOTE]I know a few who use that approach to avoid the problem completely. I've served with several outstanding female combat arms soldiers. Personal character, professionalism and dedication is far more important than what you look like under your uniform.
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JaneyCanuck
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posted 05 June 2006 12:36 PM
I cannot believe - awestruck sort of - that we are even debating about women's menstral cycles. As my dad used to say, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?I lived for a time on a kibbutz in Israel (It was a trendy thing to do at the time and adventurer that I was, I enlisted). Women are required just like men to serve in the Israeli army and my roomate was in the army - as a reservist of some kind. I was just a teenager then but always wondered when Canada would become as progressive - not that I support war of any kind granted. And that raises that other question, if we are to be peacekeepers, why are we promoting war at all? Why are we supporting the so called war on terror? WW2 may well have been a "just" war (co called) but I am still glad that ppl like J.S. Woodsworth had the courage of his convictions. Wars help the wealthy (Just ask Haliburton, Raytheon, Marconi, etc). As a former First Nations Chief who had served his country only to return home unable to vote once said to me, "You don't see many Generals on the front lines." It is not gender equity in the military we need to obsess about so much as what the heck we are doing in Afgahanistan to begin with!!!!!!
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