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swallow
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posted 06 August 2004 05:13 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Appeals court overturns convictions for crimes against humanity in East Timor
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'lance
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posted 06 August 2004 05:15 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So much for the efficacy of purely national tribunals in international human-rights cases.

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yiya
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posted 06 August 2004 05:51 PM      Profile for yiya     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
So much for the efficacy of purely national tribunals in international human-rights cases.

Well, don't blame them. People from backward countries don't understand the meaning of justice and democracy.

We should give them classes. Perhaps someone can get them into one of those democracy and justice courses at the School of the Americas.

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Mr. Magoo
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posted 06 August 2004 05:55 PM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, prison is just what we do because we don't know any better, and it's just punitive anyway. And courts know best... they'd never sentence someone to a country club or let them off lightly without a perfectly good reason. Also, we weren't there, so we really shouldn't say anything. It would be arrogant of us to criticize this without knowing all of the facts, first hand.
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yiya
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posted 06 August 2004 06:30 PM      Profile for yiya     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Well, prison is just what we do because we don't know any better, and it's just punitive anyway.

Almost two million people are behind prison and jail bars in the United States. 70% of the incarcerated population are people of color. The fastest growing group of prisoners is black women. Per capita the most numerous group are Native Americans.

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And courts know best... they'd never sentence someone to a country club or let them off lightly without a perfectly good reason.

There is also the option of bringing Kissinger to justice in an American court with an American prosecutor... The burden therefore rests with the American legal community and with the American human-rights lobbies and non-governmental organizations. They can either persist in averting their gaze from the egregious impunity enjoyed by a notorious war criminal and lawbreaker or they can become seized by the exalted standards to which they continually hold everyone else.


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'lance
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posted 06 August 2004 07:53 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
People from backward countries don't understand the meaning of justice and democracy.

Don't ascribe such views to me, please. This has nothing to do with what I said or meant.


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yiya
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posted 07 August 2004 11:19 AM      Profile for yiya     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:

Don't ascribe such views to me, please.


Never have.


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swallow
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posted 07 August 2004 04:12 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, what is it you're trying to say, Yiya?
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swallow
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posted 09 August 2004 01:19 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The East Timor government (but not all East Timorese) has decided not to pursue an international tribunal. I think it's the wrong decision, but i can certainly understand the thinking behind it. On the other hand, they are proposing something rather interesting and innovative: an international truth and reconciliation commission on the South African model but crossing national borders, which would not punish but would allow the victims to be heard.

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Ramos-Horta said East Timor would prefer to see the creation of an international truth and reconciliation commission, rather than a court. "At least it would give some comfort to the victims that truth is acknowledged by the international community," he was quoted as saying by Reuters.

"We are certainly touched by the concern and the care of these NGOs, members of the US Congress and others that are demanding justice through an international tribunal… [But] they must also understand the enormous difficulties and predicament that Timor is in. That in this current climate of the fight against international terrorism, and the need to avoid further exacerbating the tensions that exist in Indonesia itself, the Timorese side would prefer not to push for an international tribunal," he added.


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