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posted 21 November 2007 08:32 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
“The genetic future of the Iraqi people for the most part, is destroyed.”

...

Caldicott goes on to say the two Gulf wars “have been nuclear wars because they have scattered nuclear material across the land, and people---particularly children--- are condemned to die of malignancy and congenital disease essentially for eternity.”

Because of the extremely long half-life of uranium 238, one of the radioactive elements in the shells fired, “the food, the air, and the water in the cradle of civilization have been forever contaminated,” Caldicott explained.

Uranium is a heavy metal that enters the body via inhalation into the lung or via ingestion into the GI tract. It is excreted by the kidney, where, if the dose is high enough, it can induce renal failure or kidney cancer. It also lodges in the bones where it causes bone cancer and leukemia, and it is excreted in the semen, where it mutates genes in the sperm, leading to birth deformities.

Nuclear contamination is spreading around the world, Caldicott adds, with heaviest concentrations in regions within a 1,000-mile radius of Baghdad and Afghanistan.

These are, notably, northern India, southern Russia, Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Tibet, Pakistan, Kuwait, the Gulf emirates, and Jordan.

“Downwind from the radioactive devastation in Iraq, Israel is also suffering from large increases in breast cancer, leukemia and childhood diabetes,” Moret asserts.


Radioactive Ammunition Fired in Middle East May Claim More Lives Than Hiroshima and Nagasaki


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posted 21 November 2007 10:16 AM      Profile for contrarianna     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Although Canada claims not to now use DU in its ammunition (I don't know about its use in armor on Canadian made, or utilized, vehicles), Canada is complicit in this war crime of spreading permanent deadly contamination from Kosovo to the Gulf.
Canada supplies the US with much of the DU for its war machine.

Another recent story here:
DU in urine 20 years later


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posted 22 November 2007 09:44 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So basically the entire arab section of the middle east has been poisoned?

[ 22 November 2007: Message edited by: CMOT Dibbler ]


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posted 22 November 2007 10:09 AM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone know if it is the same ammunitions used in the Lebanon - Israel war? And are these the same munitions actively being used in Palestine as well? With such close proximity, this could equate to poisoning everyone in the middle east.
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posted 22 November 2007 10:38 AM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Anyone know if it is the same ammunitions used in the Lebanon - Israel war?

You bet and according to this report, in Palestine too.

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posted 22 November 2007 11:11 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How badly are Jordan and Lebanon contaminated?
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posted 22 November 2007 11:18 AM      Profile for Noise     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Damnit FM, I was happy with blissful ignorance of that story.

Have you seen if DIME news as made it into any Canadian or American media as of yet?

ETA: My searches of Canadian outlets haven't turned up anything... So far all I've found to sift through are articles that keep using 'stop on a dime' references.

[ 22 November 2007: Message edited by: Noise ]


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posted 22 November 2007 07:40 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hellooooooooo! The Muslim heartland is dying. Dosen't anyone have anything else to say on this issue?
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posted 22 November 2007 07:51 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bump!
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posted 22 November 2007 08:05 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
How badly are Jordan and Lebanon contaminated?

I doubt you'll get a definitive answer to this question because I don't think anyone really knows. I'm sure it would be a massive undertaking to find out exactly how bad the contamination is and since only two countries even acknowledge using DU munitions -- the US and the UK -- and the danger posed by DU is still a subject of controversy, who's going to finance that kind of study?


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posted 23 November 2007 06:29 AM      Profile for Abdul_Maria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
[QB]So basically the entire arab section of the middle east has been poisoned?

the poisoning is further than that. since we're talking about dust, how it spreads depends on weather patterns, prevailing winds, etc.

since the start of the Iraq War, England has measured a four-fold increase in radiation, in the atmosphere.

Israel cheers on the Iraq war, but they're not too far away from Iraq. it's not like the DU dust stops politely at the border.

hundreds of tons of DU have been used by the US in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Yugoslavia. (note that Iran is between 2 of those countries.) a 25 mm DU shell turns into dust upon impact with a target. it has a self-sharpening characteristic that increases its armor-piercing capabilities, compared to lead.

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Canada supplies the US with much of the DU for its war machine.

can you provide additional references ? i didn't know Canada had that many nuclear reactors. i thought the DU was a by-product of nuclear reactor operation.

it looks like one of the things Canada supplies to the US is uranium.

http://www.peace.ca/depleteduranium.htm

note - some countries, Finland, for example, have nuclear power plants, and store their nuclear waste, instead of poisoning the world with it.

if there's any one nation that has proven they "can't handle nuclear" - it's the USA.

[ 23 November 2007: Message edited by: Abdul_Maria ]


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posted 23 November 2007 06:54 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
who's going to finance that kind of study?

George sorros?


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posted 23 November 2007 07:01 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
George sorros?

He hasn't been returning my calls but I suppose you could try and see if you have better luck.


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posted 23 November 2007 09:46 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If Iraq is completely toxic, woudn't that mean that Iraqi oil is to a certain extent polluted with DU?
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posted 23 November 2007 09:54 AM      Profile for bliter   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
If Iraq is completely toxic, woudn't that mean that Iraqi oil is to a certain extent polluted with DU?

I very much doubt it. But it would be a heck of a good story to promote - not to hurt the already-suffering Iraqi people and economy, but to discourage oil use for any reason whatever.


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posted 23 November 2007 02:40 PM      Profile for Merowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CMOT Dibbler:
If Iraq is completely toxic, woudn't that mean that Iraqi oil is to a certain extent polluted with DU?

Eh, logic. DU disperses into the environment as a powder in solid particulate form. Oil comes out of the ground as a fluid which is immediately contained, moved to distribution points and shipped to market. Little opportunity for contamination, we're not talking 'white room' criteria here. So, no, my guess is, it ain't. Probably more naturally ocurring uranium in the coal we fire our power stations with.


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posted 24 November 2007 06:39 AM      Profile for Abdul_Maria     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Probably more naturally ocurring uranium in the coal we fire our power stations with.[/QB]

with China & the US both relying more on coal, it's the mercury in the coal i'm concerned about.

which brings us to the topic of Issue Fatigue.

[ 24 November 2007: Message edited by: Abdul_Maria ]


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