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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 12 February 2007 08:30 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If you are interested in issues concering creation myths about our origins vs. scientific accounts of our origins, then you might be interested in this New York Times article. Any thoughts?
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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 12 February 2007 08:32 PM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Somehow I put this topic in the wrong place. Sorry.
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Fidel
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posted 12 February 2007 08:42 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think this sort of subject material deserves a forum all on its own, since mainstream science isn't focused on proving or disproving the existence of god, whether he or she or it exists or not.
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posted 12 February 2007 08:48 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
I think this sort of subject material deserves a forum all on its own, since mainstream science isn't focused on proving or disproving the existence of god, whether he or she or it exists or not.
Scientific theories of human origins are not about proving or disproving the existence of god.

They are about using evidence to explain human origins without resorting to divine or supernatural intervention.


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Fidel
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posted 12 February 2007 09:41 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
Scientific theories of human origins are not about proving or disproving the existence of god.

Exactly, and so ...

quote:
They are about using evidence to explain human origins without resorting to divine or supernatural intervention.

Exactly, and which is why mainstream science isn't focused on proving the unprovable. Therefore, the thread subject isn't considered mainstream science, but the topic of evolution is. Maybe we can have a forum for tabloid journalism, like the recent AIDS conspiracy thread that was closed because people couldn't tell the real issues from journalistic sensationalism.

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remind
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posted 12 February 2007 09:53 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
Scientific theories of human origins are not about proving or disproving the existence of god.

Interestingly enough, scientific thought was started to prove the existence of God.


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M. Spector
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posted 12 February 2007 10:18 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Interestingly enough, scientific thought was started to prove the existence of God.
That would indeed be interesting if it were true.

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M. Spector
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posted 12 February 2007 10:25 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:
Exactly, and which is why mainstream science isn't focused on proving the unprovable. Therefore, the thread subject isn't considered mainstream science, but the topic of evolution is.
Scientific accounts of human origins are about evolution, and they are the subject of this thread. And the evolutionary origins of humanity are far from unprovable; they have been proven definitively since Darwin.
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Maybe we can have a forum for tabloid journalism, like the recent AIDS conspiracy thread that was closed because people couldn't tell the real issues from journalistic sensationalism.
Actually, that thread was started because people couldn't tell the real issues from journalistic sensationalism.

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remind
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posted 12 February 2007 11:02 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by M. Spector:
That would indeed be interesting if it were true.

It is absolutely true.

Who was the 1st scientist mspector?


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Fidel
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posted 12 February 2007 11:22 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Creationism is not mainstream science, and therefore has nothing to do with what mainstream scientists are pursuing. Ask any scientist if he or she is working on disproving the existence of god. They'll tell you to get a life.

And the sensational article about AIDS sourced by the poster June apparently didn't achieve its real purpose, because I fear most posters felt the thread was an odd commentary of anti-racism, instead believing it was all about two people's inane obsession over picking a fight with me instead of realizing that millions have died in Africa senselessly, and that millions more continue to endure meaningless suffering. Apparently virtual egos are larger than the suffering of millions, and that's sad.

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quart o' homomilk
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posted 12 February 2007 11:23 PM      Profile for quart o' homomilk     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Asking who the first scientist was, is like asking who the first artist was.

People do science everyday when they lose their keys. They make predictions and then test them.


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remind
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posted 12 February 2007 11:31 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by quart o' homomilk:
Asking who the first scientist was, is like asking who the first artist was.

Again you are also wrong, there is a first scientist.


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marzo
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posted 13 February 2007 07:01 AM      Profile for marzo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by remind:

Again you are also wrong, there is a first scientist.



The first scientist was an unknown hominid who lived many thousands of years ago. His or her scientific research would have been observations and conclusions about the properties of various materials for tool-making, animal behaviour, edible plants, weather patterns, and the motions of the stars and planets.

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Martha (but not Stewart)
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posted 13 February 2007 07:14 AM      Profile for Martha (but not Stewart)     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On why I started this thread: I thought it was an interesting article, and it reminded me of another thread concerning FN and other non-European creation stories and their relationship to science. I thought that this newspaper might elicit some interesting discussions. I do want to note that in no way do I endorse creationism, certainly not in the earth-is-ten-thousand-years-old-Adam-and-Eve variety.
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posted 13 February 2007 07:18 AM      Profile for oldgoat     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think I'll move this to humanities and science.
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