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Dr Gas
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posted 14 September 2003 11:34 PM      Profile for Dr Gas        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is it easier to be a environmentalist or "green" on a low or modest income? How much does it help to be in a city with a good transit system? Is is easier to hate something (ie. SUVs) if you can't afford it anyway?

I have a feeling some people are environmentaly considerate partly because it makes personal economic sense, and some people can "afford" to pay the extra cost of being green, ie. gas/electric vehicles or solar panels. Somewhere in between is the rest of the population who buy what they need or want.


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Doug
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posted 15 September 2003 12:40 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It all depends how you're "green", I suppose. One the one hand, it's easier to be green when you're poor because you can't afford a car and live in a small apartment but on the other hand, you won't be buying organic vegetables or replacing your 50 cent incandescent light bulbs with $15 fluorescent ones.
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DrConway
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posted 15 September 2003 12:46 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In some cases yes, in other cases no.

If you're poor, you often have to buy a $500 rattletrap of a car that would probably embarass an Aircare inspector if you lived in Vancouver, whereas Mr. CEO of a modestly-sized corporation can afford to buy a brand-new Chrysler M300 that probably pollutes 10 times less even though it's a bigger and more powerful car than Mr. Poor's 1979 Mercury Bobcat.

However, Mr. CEO probably wastes a shitload more electricity and natural gas on his palatial home in the west side of Vancouver, whereas Mr. Poor pays $30 a month in Hydro living in an apartment that's been around since the 1960s and has decent insulation in it.

I still suspect the wastage would be greater for Mr. CEO, but it would have to be analyzed on an in-depth level. However, I would venture that energy usage probably roughly correlates with income.


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Dr Gas
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posted 15 September 2003 11:11 PM      Profile for Dr Gas        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's hard to believe that most of the people who use public transit (for example) have a whole pile of cash in the bank.

Some people also choose a job or career that fits the way they want to live their life, and maybe money isn't as important to them right now, like working at a ski resort so you ski for free.

I guess that's part of "being green"; going out of your way to save something, a tree, a pop bottle or a few ounces of gas, when it's easier and faster to cut it down, toss it out or take the car to the store.


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redshift
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posted 15 September 2003 11:57 PM      Profile for redshift     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
seriously green?
one goat outside the mud and wattle hut.kids die at 5,lessening environmental impact.one ragged piece of homespun rag,no shoes.dead before thirty.
recycled as dog food.
that is the reality of being green ,for a large part of the world, while we debate which car to take to the 7-11.
what can we do, what choice can we make, what level of income makes it comfortable for us to contemplate our responsibility.

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Vee
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posted 16 September 2003 10:52 AM      Profile for Vee     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Being "green" is more about education and awareness than income level.
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Trinitty
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posted 16 September 2003 03:44 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It takes a thinking person to be "green".

Sure, it's "easier" to drive a car than to walk or ride a bike, but, driving a car when it's not absolutely needed is totally wasteful and puts poison into the air. Period. I choose to not own a car in the city. We could afford it. Plenty of people who drive can't afford it, they lease their vehicles and are in debt.

It's "easier" to throw something in a garbage can to have it taken away. But, the thinking person says, "take it away to WHERE?" It's not being shot at the sun, it's going into the very Earth that we depend upon for survival and that provides millions of other animals with life. To bury my yogurt containers and disposable diapers into my planet is just wrong. Not needed.

It's getting more affordable to buy organic. The more people buy it, the cheaper it will be to buy. Buying organic food is one of the best things one can do for the Earth. It promotes sustainable agriculture and doesn't dump more poisions into the soil or spray them into the air.

One must think about things in a holistic way in order to "get it" and go as green as they can. One doesn't have to be wealthy or poor.


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nonsuch
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posted 17 September 2003 10:58 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
("It's not easy, being green..")
It's not always easy when you're poor, because you have so little control. The apartment you live in is badly insulated and needs more heating (and the kind of heating depends on the landlord). There is no outdoor clothesline. The food you eat has to come from whatever grocery store is near enough to lug it home from. There is no garden, no compost; what happens to the garbage isn't up to you. You have to throw away shoes every year or so, because you can't afford the kind that last - and this is true of almost everything you own.
Nothing much is within your control.
That's why the greenest thing poor people can do is pressure municipal government to implement - and enforce! - green measures.

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lagatta
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posted 17 September 2003 11:06 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In a sense that is even truer for the extremely poor people redshift alludes to, as they may contribute to air pollution and soil erosion by seeking out firewood and building on unsafe land - killing themselves in mudslides in the process as happened not long ago in Central America.

But wealthier people, even with a well-developed consciousness, tend to spend more on unneccessary goods. So unequal distribution of wealth seems to be a lot of the problem.


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rev biff mojo
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posted 17 September 2003 08:49 PM      Profile for rev biff mojo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, I'm quite green. Must've been the tuna salad from that vending machine.

Heh heh heh

heh heh

I'll, uh . . . shut up now.

(sigh)



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badlydrawngirl
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posted 18 September 2003 05:06 PM      Profile for badlydrawngirl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i think it's both.

but i also think that education, mass public as well as what is taught in schools is vitally important. i often think that if more people knew and really understood the consequences of their actions, they'd think twice before, ie. buying that coffee everyday in a styrofoam up, not buying junk food every night, not giving in to wanting the next best _________.

too much advertising for things we don't need and not enough education for concepts that we need to understand is the bigger culprit than just rich/poor).


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Dr Gas
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posted 18 September 2003 10:20 PM      Profile for Dr Gas        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It has to do with how you grew up as well, (I guess that's education). People might want more than their parents had, or maybe less.
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