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lagatta
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posted 02 August 2005 09:25 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, they've asked for bankruptcy protection, but the title was too much to resist.

This is a business story about "Atkins products" so I put it in labour and consumption, but of course there are body and soul implications as well.

I'm posting this CBC story as it is freely accessible, but there was a longer story in the Globe and Mail this morning.

Do babblers think low-carb diets are a fad? I have a male cousin who lost a considerable amount of weight on one - I'd be afraid to eat so high on the food chain, and his food would have been VERY expensive (he has money). I know there are modified low-carb or limited carb diets such as the Beverly Hills, Zone, or in francophone countries the Montignac diet that seem less extreme than Atkins and do seem to get results in some people at least for whom simply limiting portions had not been effective ...


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posted 02 August 2005 09:26 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My mom has been trying it and it hasn't worked.

As for this, I like it when fad companies go out of business


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skdadl
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posted 02 August 2005 09:35 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The G&M story supplies, as anecdotal illustration (is that a redundancy?), the experience of a man who had great success losing weight on the diet but whose bad cholesterol count went from very low to dangerously sky-high in under two years.

Dieticians and scientists also talk about the harm the diet can do by discouraging people from the carbs in fruits and vegetables as well as breads and pasta.


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Suzette
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posted 02 August 2005 09:36 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Several people in my workplace were doing the high protein/low carb thing for a while. It was easy to tell who they were -- they were the ones who reeked like sulphur mines. One of them was my supervisor, who I was closed into a small office with for an hour a week. Ewww!

I can't believe that someone who smells so toxic can be healthy.


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lagatta
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posted 02 August 2005 09:55 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Guardian also has a more in-depth article, freely accessible: Guardian Atkins story.

Some of the modified low-carb diets allow only wholegrain bread and pasta, which seems far more sensible. I was so pleased Montignac had caught on in France as it meant one could buy wholegrain organic bread everywhere ...

Montignac is popular there and here because it doesn't ban coffee, and allows a modicum of wine. I know there is some reason to ban real coffee, but it strikes me as unbearably cruel...


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skdadl
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posted 02 August 2005 09:57 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"a modicum"?!?

I wonder if anyone has ever come up with an alcohol diet.


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lagatta
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posted 02 August 2005 10:01 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl, you are also old enough to remember the "Drinking Man's Diet" (and "Man" to refer to the human species ) ...

I did work with a journalist who was thin as a rail and a heavy drinker, even by journalist standards. He drank a lot of beer through the day too. But he ate nothing at all, or nearabouts. He was the type of alcoholic who was utterly competent at his work, but he had a foul temper and a short leash.

He eventually stopped drinking after his wife left him ... and became one of the first Internet addicts I've ever met. A role-model for babblers, I'm afraid.

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skdadl
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posted 02 August 2005 10:03 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is alcohol high-carb?
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 02 August 2005 10:06 AM      Profile for Mr. Magoo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mrs. M. tried one of those diets for a while, and it's one of the few times we ate separate meals. When she can't have bread or yeast, or beef, or whatever, I'll usually adapt. But when her dinner consists of a big slug of liverwurst on a spoon, or a cup of whipped cream, I have to recuse myself and eat something that requires chewing.

Her experience was of some pretty quick but modest weight loss. Also, a disgusting feeling.


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Fidel
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posted 02 August 2005 10:12 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Alcohol is supposed to be about 7 calories per gram, Skdadl. Average carb is 4 calories, by what I know.
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paxamillion
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posted 02 August 2005 10:17 AM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by skdadl:
I wonder if anyone has ever come up with an alcohol diet.

Lots of drunks have been following one for years. If there is enough money for food or alcohol, well food can wait.

Nasty side effects: walking blackouts, DTs, irreparable liver damage, permanent dementia, sudden breatouts in handcuffs, etc., etc.


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skdadl
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posted 02 August 2005 10:19 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know, pax; I know. I shouldn't joke.
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lagatta
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posted 02 August 2005 10:30 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I think it depends how we joke. The former colleague I spoke of would certainly be dead by now if he hadn't taken the pledge - and found a God-free recovery programme through a treatment centre here - but he'd be the first to joke about such matters.

skdadl, just think Christopher Hitchens...


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skdadl
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posted 02 August 2005 10:37 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thinking Christopher Hitchens ... thinking Christopher Hitchens ...

On the one hand, jowls, spare tire, hound-dog eyes ...

On the other, endless writing gigs!


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ronb
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posted 02 August 2005 10:48 AM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In Hitchens' case, there's the selling your soul aspect too. Not that appealing, on balance.
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skdadl
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posted 02 August 2005 10:50 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, although a lot of people do that stone-cold sober, ronb.
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ephemeral
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posted 02 August 2005 03:52 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Suzette:
Several people in my workplace were doing the high protein/low carb thing for a while. It was easy to tell who they were -- they were the ones who reeked like sulphur mines. One of them was my supervisor, who I was closed into a small office with for an hour a week. Ewww!

I can't believe that someone who smells so toxic can be healthy.


suzette, why would they smell like sulphur? is it cause they consume excess protein, and does excess protein make one smell funny?

i think the atkins diet in incredibly unhealthy, and i certainly hope it is a temporary, disappearing fad. carbs are a must for the immune system to stay strong and ward off diseases. i wish people could stop equating losing weight with getting healthy. they often go hand in hand together, but they are not the same thing.


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Suzette
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posted 02 August 2005 07:42 PM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ephemeral, I'm just guessing, but I think it could be ketosis:
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Ketosis is the presence in the blood of abnormally high levels of acidic substances called ketones. The normal body fuel is glucose. Ketones are produced when there isnt enough glucose in the bloodstream, and fats have to be used.

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Ketones give the breath a sickly, fruity odour like nail-varnish remover or pear-drops.
As I mentioned, though, I thought that the smell was more sulphurous than anything. I don't know enough about body processes to guess what else it might be. It did seem to be consistant with all the dieters, though. Bleargh!

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posted 03 August 2005 07:16 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To all the carbs I've loved before!
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lagatta
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posted 03 August 2005 10:00 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone really think Pringles or those gooey "snack cakes" and organic wholemeal bread or pasta are the same thing...
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posted 03 August 2005 10:14 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
but one group tastes good
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Less filling!!
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lagatta
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posted 03 August 2005 10:31 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, that is true while one is eating. Even if the organic bread is really tasty (not bricklike), one can't eat more than a couple of slices. For some perverse reason, one can down a huge bag of crisps as if it were air - only afterwards does it make its presence felt first on the bowels, then on the hips...
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I will plug one "low carb" product here. It's low net carbs, of course, which means it's slow to raise blood sugar, an important consideration for me as a diabetic - by the way, low-carb diets are NOT recommended for diabetics, but low-glycemic carbs are encouraged in place of hi-glycemic.

Anyway, the low-carb product I'm recommending is the President's Choice CarbWatch protein bars. The Chocolate Caramel Peanut is absolutely yummy, tastes like Turtles, but packs in 17 grams of protein and only 2 net carbs, without the trans fats found in most of the bars.

I've also lost 30 pounds since March - could have been more, but I eat a lot. I've never gone low carb. I do cut down on fat wherever possible though - a diet containing the amount of calories you need to lose weight safely will always work. Low fat allows more food to be eaten.


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posted 03 August 2005 10:41 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The one food I can't go without is ww bread - I just love the stuff. I can make myself two salmon sandwiches for lunch and still be able to eat a few slices of bread and margarine and washed down with a glass of water. I couldn't get by without several glasses of water daily, either. If all I can get is white bread, I always have it toasted. Whatever I have during the day, I work it off by cycling a good distance two and sometimes three times a day.
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