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Ski Big
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posted 13 October 2005 09:28 PM      Profile for Ski Big     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
show a logical progression of a feminist thought from wollstonecraft, to woolf, to beauvor. thanks!
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posted 13 October 2005 09:32 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You want us to write your term paper for you? Why not ask for footnotes and a bibliography, while you are at it? Let me guess ... you need an answer by tomorrow, right?
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posted 13 October 2005 09:38 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The answer is 42
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posted 13 October 2005 09:39 PM      Profile for Hinterland        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I can.
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posted 13 October 2005 09:48 PM      Profile for sandpiper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
b. 1759
b. 1882
b. 1908

[ 13 October 2005: Message edited by: sandpiper ]


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posted 13 October 2005 10:05 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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ephemeral
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posted 13 October 2005 10:15 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ski big, start with threads in the feminism forum that go as far back as march 8, 2002, and work your way up from there. you will find all the answers you need.
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Ski Big
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posted 13 October 2005 10:23 PM      Profile for Ski Big     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
im not asking for anyone to write a term paper. im asking for help on how to help answer the question. i dont understand what progression occured. sure feminism became stronger as the years went on, but i dont know how each of these women changed it. i didn't mean to ask for a lot by asking a brief question, just some help on understanding how the thought progressed. sorry
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posted 13 October 2005 10:29 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
posted by Ski Big: im asking for help on how to help answer the question. i dont understand what progression occured. sure feminism became stronger as the years went on, but i dont know how each of these women changed it.
Fair enough. I was a little fast off the cuff there.

So, you did some research and you understand what each woman accomplished in her particular historical niche? And you want us to help you sketch out the 'progression' or evolution of that particular type of feminist thought?


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posted 13 October 2005 10:31 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lesson 1:

Research and discuss.


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posted 13 October 2005 10:32 PM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i don't get it. what does the shift key have to do with 'research and discuss'?
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posted 13 October 2005 10:39 PM      Profile for ShyViolet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i think he means that ski big should use the shift key to get capital letters.
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Yukoner
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posted 13 October 2005 10:48 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did someone leave the door open at AOL?
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posted 13 October 2005 10:56 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What does Beauvor Cleauvor have to do with the other two anyway? And wasn't he born in the 1940s?
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posted 13 October 2005 10:59 PM      Profile for Ski Big     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
the way i type aside from writing a paper is irrelevant to this whole topic, but thanks for taking the time to upload a picture showing me where the shift key is located on the keyboard rather than just saying.

yes, i have researched about all of them and know what they have all done. i am just confused on the whole feminist progression that was made during these times. how they relate to one another is what im not sure about.


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posted 13 October 2005 11:03 PM      Profile for Ski Big     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
What does Beauvor Cleauvor have to do with the other two anyway? And wasn't he born in the 1940s?

it's simone de beauvoir. she was born 1908, but wrote a book in the 1940's. i think you're talking about someone else


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posted 13 October 2005 11:10 PM      Profile for sandpiper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would be interested in learning more, bigski. What sort of things did they write about?
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posted 13 October 2005 11:40 PM      Profile for ShyViolet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
Did someone leave the door open at AOL?

and this is about....?

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Yukoner
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posted 14 October 2005 02:20 AM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It was a jab at AOLers and those like them who have no regard for grammar, punctuation or basic rules of the English language. I am dyslexic and try to run each of my posts through a spell checker.

Given that this is a forum where ideas are exchanged via the written word and occasional linked image all a person (especially a n00b ) can be judged on is their handle and how they present them in their posts.

One could be lead to believe that an AOL or 1337 typist is either lazy, ignorant or some combination of the two.

In this specific situation, a person registers with what seems to be the sole purpose of harvesting information from babblers who are abreast with modern feminist issues. This person registers, starts a thread, makes little effort to explain why s/he would like to discuss the issues(s) and can’t even be bothered to toss in even a single uppercase letter at the beginning of a sentence.

It did sound like a ‘do my homework’ question to me, which is not all that uncommon on BBS’s.


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Ski Big
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posted 14 October 2005 03:06 AM      Profile for Ski Big     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
It was a jab at AOLers and those like them who have no regard for grammar, punctuation or basic rules of the English language. I am dyslexic and try to run each of my posts through a spell checker.

Given that this is a forum where ideas are exchanged via the written word and occasional linked image all a person (especially a n00b ) can be judged on is their handle and how they present them in their posts.

One could be lead to believe that an AOL or 1337 typist is either lazy, ignorant or some combination of the two.

In this specific situation, a person registers with what seems to be the sole purpose of harvesting information from babblers who are abreast with modern feminist issues. This person registers, starts a thread, makes little effort to explain why s/he would like to discuss the issues(s) and can’t even be bothered to toss in even a single uppercase letter at the beginning of a sentence.

It did sound like a ‘do my homework’ question to me, which is not all that uncommon on BBS’s.


im sorry for not using capital letters when im writing on these boards...i honestly think you're going into that more than needed. i am not asking anyone to "do my homework". i am asking for ideas so i can have some help on it, but if that's how everyone here wants to look at it, then it's cool. sorry for bothering you all.


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posted 14 October 2005 08:26 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She claims to be only 20. Perhaps she is legit, and now all we've done is scared her away.
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posted 14 October 2005 08:59 AM      Profile for ephemeral     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Stargazer:
She claims to be only 20. Perhaps she is legit, and now all we've done is scared her away.

sorry... kind of sorry... but i'm still not about to waste my time helping a stranger with homework. definitely a babbler whom i know well, but not a stranger.

Yukoner, I'm lazy. Sorry! It never occurred to me that the absence of capital letters made life harder for a dyslexic. Is it because your spell-checker points too many words as mistakes?


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posted 14 October 2005 09:18 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah. I think that was a bit rough, guys.

Ski Big, to me those three women were so different -- in their lives and in the ways that they wrote -- that it is a bit hard to argue a tight "progression" among them, except in the sense that they lived in successive historical periods and things had indeed changed for women in general, period to period. (No pun intended, but you can smile if you want to.)

One historical curiosity about them, biographically: in a sense, Wollstonecraft lived the most dramatically unstereotypical life of the three; she was a very public rebel and eccentric (in the literal sense of that term -- off-centre), although it could be argued that it took some class advantage to do that in her time.

A Room of One's Own is a very moving testament and has inspired so many women since. Woolf had a literary genius that I don't think you can claim for the other two, but she also lived a much more severely repressed and constricted life than they did -- to which, of course, she is partly testifying in Room. It is hard not to see evidence in her writing of both the damaged psychology and the snobbery of the class and time (Victorian upper-upper) she was born into.

de Beauvoir was also a privileged bourgeoise, but like Wollstonecraft she was nervy and resilient and relatively defiant. To me, her writing is more influenced by her contemporaries, more determined by a "school," than Woolf's, which is a formal breakthrough all her own. But de B. held her own among an intellectually very aggressive crowd.

What do they share? They all wrote manifestos; they all sort of lived defiance of much of their socialization; and yet you can see how much more trapped each of them was in her historical situation than we want to believe women are now.

We could be wrong about ourselves, of course. Everyone else always has been.


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posted 14 October 2005 09:23 AM      Profile for Suzette     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Give Introducing Feminism a read, Ski Big. It gives a good overview of all you've asked and more.

[ 14 October 2005: Message edited by: Suzette ]


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Ski Big
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posted 14 October 2005 12:17 PM      Profile for Ski Big     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
skdadl. i highly appreaciate your help. i turned in the paper last night, but talked about some of the things you mentioned. showing the similarities in their arguments i think will help me also. like how they were all heard from other people because of their subtle way of putting out their thoughts, as opposed to writing with rage. also, what the words behind their whole manner played part obviously, but i also had their lifestyles and the environment they grew up in included.

once again, i do appreciate your help, and sorry if i came off wrong making it seem like i was asking for a paper. thanks!


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posted 14 October 2005 12:53 PM      Profile for Yukoner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ephemeral:

Yukoner, I'm lazy. Sorry! It never occurred to me that the absence of capital letters made life harder for a dyslexic.

I never said that.

What I said was that I try to make my posts as coherent as possible. Spelling, grammar and sentence structure are the basics. If you can't do these things and form a rational thought nobody will understand a thing you are saying.

As far as being lazy, that is better than the alternative I mentioned above. Now, at least I know where you stand


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posted 14 October 2005 01:02 PM      Profile for ShyViolet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
It was a jab at AOLers and those like them who have no regard for grammar, punctuation or basic rules of the English language. I am dyslexic and try to run each of my posts through a spell checker.

Given that this is a forum where ideas are exchanged via the written word and occasional linked image all a person (especially a n00b ) can be judged on is their handle and how they present them in their posts.

One could be lead to believe that an AOL or 1337 typist is either lazy, ignorant or some combination of the two.

In this specific situation, a person registers with what seems to be the sole purpose of harvesting information from babblers who are abreast with modern feminist issues. This person registers, starts a thread, makes little effort to explain why s/he would like to discuss the issues(s) and can’t even be bothered to toss in even a single uppercase letter at the beginning of a sentence.

It did sound like a ‘do my homework’ question to me, which is not all that uncommon on BBS’s.


oooh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were dyslexic nor that all lowercase makes things harder for you. I type with all lowercase for non-school things just b/c, well, sometimes I'm lazy.

And I did understand the whole "it looks like she wants us to do her homework for her deal."
When I saw her question, I thought that too. What I didn't get was why you were making such a thing over the lowercase typing. But I get it now.


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posted 14 October 2005 09:44 PM      Profile for Tehanu     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Yukoner:
... the sole purpose of harvesting information from babblers who are abreast with modern feminist issues.

... is that Freudian, Yukoner, or a truly delicious pun?

mmmm ... abreast feminists ...

Back to the thread topic, Ski Big, I hope you do well with your paper and I also hope that you continue to read feminist thinkers ... particularly those who wrote later in the 20th century, as fortunately I think a lot of the issues that the first/semi-second wave feminists were discussing have, in fact, been won. For the most part. In most places. Okay, because I'm thinking as I type and qualifying as I go, just to say that there's a lot else out there that is perhaps more apropos and modern than the three authors you named.

Does it make me a bad feminist that I have -- in spite of having loved and enjoyed hundreds of books -- never been able to get past page 5 of a Virginia Woolf novel?

[slaps wrist]

[edited because I put "sky big" not "ski big" and I think I actually like the first name!]

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