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Bacchus
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posted 18 June 2005 07:35 PM

Nun dies after being crucified for a exorcism

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Hephaestion
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posted 18 June 2005 07:38 PM

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Mediafax news agency said Cornici suffered from schizophrenia and the symptoms of her condition caused the priest at the convent and other nuns to believe she was possessed by the devil.
"They all said she was possessed and they were trying to cast out the evil spirits," police spokeswoman Michaela Straub said.
Father Daniel who is accused of orchestrating the crime is said to be unrepentant.
"God has performed a miracle for her, finally Irina is delivered from evil," AFP quoted the priest as saying.

ASSHOLE!!!!

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Hailey
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posted 18 June 2005 08:23 PM

Well...umm.........

I would not question the riches of heaven, myself, but to crucify a mentally ill person and twist the story so you are an agent of God's mercy is a bit of a stretch.

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remind
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posted 18 June 2005 09:38 PM

Hailey, what do you mean question the riches of heaven?

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Hailey
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posted 18 June 2005 09:43 PM

I wouldn't question that she is in a better place. I am sure she is enjoying all the beauty of the afterlife.

That doesn't justify AT ALL killing her.

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ephemeral
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posted 18 June 2005 09:53 PM

well, for lack of proof, i can't believe in an after life, but it's stories like this one that me hope and wish that there really is a hell so fuckwads like that priest and the nuns can rot in it for eternity.

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beluga2
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posted 18 June 2005 10:47 PM

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"I don't understand why journalists are making such a fuss about this. Exorcism is a common practise in the heart of the Romanian Orthodox church and my methods are not at all unknown to other priests," Father Daniel added.

Ah. So I presume that crosses bearing crucified nuns are as common a sight in the Romanian countryside as the Golden Arches are in North America?

Doofus.

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remind
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posted 18 June 2005 10:47 PM

Well as Ephemeral said as we have no proof of an after life, even softening what they did to her with thoughts that she may be somewhere better does not really cut it for me.

I mean how many times can one make excuses for a religion that is able to do so many heinous things to people? If this was a socialist organization or a any other non-mainstram religion they would be hounded out of business.

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CMOT Dibbler
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posted 18 June 2005 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by remind:
Well as Ephemeral said as we have no proof of an after life, even softening what they did to her with thoughts that she may be somewhere better does not really cut it for me.
I mean how many times can one make excuses for a religion that is able to do so many heinous things to people? If this was a socialist organization or a any other non-mainstram religion they would be hounded out of business.

I'm no fan of the Catholic Church. I think every single Pope in the history of the church(except for John 23rd) was a reactionary old fossil, and that the church's views on homosexuality and birth-control are absolutely idiotic, but the fact is that all religions are capable of heinous acts.(The church of latter-day Saints, anyone?)
I think the priest should be defrocked and forced to spend the rest of his days in a high security mental institution. The man should NEVER be allowed near his " flock" again.

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remind
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posted 18 June 2005 11:49 PM

I agree completely and used the term religion as being more generic, instead of saying the Catholic church.

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Bacchus
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posted 19 June 2005 08:24 PM

Thats true remind, especially as seeing CMOT that this was the Roumanian Orthodox church, not the catholic church

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Burns
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posted 20 June 2005 01:12 PM

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Originally posted by remind:
If this was a socialist organization or a any other non-mainstram religion they would be hounded out of business.

True, but the US government is still in business.

And, since we're on the topic, is "western medicine" any more humane when it comes to "curing" mental illness?

I'm sure the forces of modernity will use this incident as a weapon against the Church - and I'm not shedding any tears for this priest or any other - but let's aim for a little perspective.

[ 20 June 2005: Message edited by: Burns ]

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remind
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posted 20 June 2005 02:03 PM

Burns, the perspective is we do not put those suffering from mental illness on a cross and let them hang there for days. Nor say they need an exorcism.

Showing old pictures of the military using electro shock therapy is not putting perspective on anything.

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swallow
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posted 20 June 2005 02:23 PM

Wouldn't be too hard to find photos of the military torturing people today though, would it?

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Burns
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posted 20 June 2005 07:45 PM

remind, if you'd rather I find some more recent photos it can be arranged. In 1993-94, 11,360 shock treatments were administered to approximately 1,600 people in Ontario's general, community and psychiatric hospitals - an average of seven shocks per patients.

I was merely trying to point out that - rather than get sanctimonious about what happens to people in far-off remote places we know little about under circumstances we have no control over - we may want to concern ourselves with what happens in our communities under circumstances that we finance with our taxes. I know it's easier to get mad at a Romanian hillbilly but I'm just not convinced it's constructive.

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remind
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posted 20 June 2005 08:05 PM

Yes, I know about electric shock therepy, we had a huge run on then in 2000 here in BC after the government took the lid off of funding them.

It is a therapy I do not agree with at all, but even then people are not being shocked continuously for 3 days until they are dead.

Why us it that people are so wanting to exuse religious cult activity?

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Reality. Bites.
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posted 04 July 2005 02:43 PM

Update on this story:

http://tinyurl.com/82uw4

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The monastery has since been shut down by the Orthodox Church, Corogeanu defrocked and, along with four nuns, charged with murder and depriving a person of liberty. If convicted, each of the five could be sentenced to 25 years in prison.

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arborman
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posted 04 July 2005 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by remind:

It is a therapy I do not agree with at all, but even then people are not being shocked continuously for 3 days until they are dead.

Actually, properly used it apparently works for some treatments (according to my psychology class 10 years ago anyway). That being said, it can be overused, or inappropriately prescribed - as in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' etc. It certainly shouldn't be done punitively.

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EFA
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posted 04 July 2005 03:23 PM

quote:
Originally posted by remind:
Burns, the perspective is we do not put those suffering from mental illness on a cross and let them hang there for days. Nor say they need an exorcism.
Showing old pictures of the military using electro shock therapy is not putting perspective on anything.

Electroshock hasn't changed since this picture was taken.

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EFA
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posted 04 July 2005 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by arborman:

Actually, properly used it apparently works for some treatments (according to my psychology class 10 years ago anyway). That being said, it can be overused, or inappropriately prescribed - as in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' etc. It certainly shouldn't be done punitively.

It "works" the same way a concussion "works" and the practice should be outlawed, or at the very least, involuntary electroshock should be outlawed. The fact is that it is used punitively. Act up on a psych ward and that's what they'll threaten you with.

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