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Michelle
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posted 19 December 2005 03:20 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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There's a school of thought that feels, even when the U.S. does bad things in the world, we should look the other way and keep our eyes cast demurely downward. If Washington chooses to invade Iraq, to launch a lawless “war on terror,” to start an arms race in space or to obstruct worldwide efforts on climate change, Canada should stand by her man. If we want to disagree with this big, over-muscled guy, we should whisper softly in his ear, not embarrass him in public.

Linda McQuaig


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Jerry West
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posted 19 December 2005 04:13 PM      Profile for Jerry West   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That same school of thought gave us the UK response to Hitler at Munich and has been prevalent in the Catholic Church when it comes to sexual abuse by priests.

If governments even remotely lived up to the moral principles that they preached not only would we be publicly and forcefully criticizing the conduct of the US, we would be organizing and carrying out sanctions despite any repercussions that may come from them.

Countries that commit criminal acts like those that the United States are currently enaging in must be treated by the rest of the world as a pariah.


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Cougyr
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posted 19 December 2005 05:20 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ultimately, the US is sensitive to public criticism. That is probably the only open sore that foreigners can probe. The reaction around the world to American bully tactics is making Americans rather touchy. Good.

Canadians, all of us, should defend Canada with all the noise that Americans defend the US. Canadian politicians should stand up for Canada, even if it means iritating our southern neighbours. Also, mouthing the words isn't enough; they need to actually do it, which may mean strong actions such as cancelling NAFTA or stopping the export of raw logs.


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radiorahim
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posted 19 December 2005 08:37 PM      Profile for radiorahim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Canadians, all of us, should defend Canada with all the noise that Americans defend the US. Canadian politicians should stand up for Canada, even if it means iritating our southern neighbours. Also, mouthing the words isn't enough; they need to actually do it, which may mean strong actions such as cancelling NAFTA or stopping the export of raw logs.

If governments in impoverished Latin America can stand up to the U.S. Why can't we?

A president who calls himself "Washington's worst nightmare" just got elected in Bolivia.


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Sunny Beasty
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posted 23 December 2005 06:38 PM      Profile for Sunny Beasty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Re:"A president who calls himself "Washington's worst nightmare" just got elected in Bolivia."

That makes three leftists now (in Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia) in Latin America, two of them elected in multi-party elections. Add to this two social-democrats in Brazil and Chile, and a leftist expected to win the next Mexican elections. I don't think any of these leaders will much care what the White House thinks of their criticisms. Canadians however, seem perennially scared of "offending" Washington. The Americans know this, which is why they can interfere in our public discourse as the Ambassador did recently. If an US diplomat said these things in Caracas or Brasilia, he would have politely but firmly been told to "go fuck himself".


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TacitBlue
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posted 23 December 2005 10:02 PM      Profile for TacitBlue     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hello Cougyr,

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Also, mouthing the words isn't enough; they need to actually do it, which may mean strong actions such as cancelling NAFTA or stopping the export of raw logs.

Restricting the export of softwood lumber, or any natural resource, would result in the loss of more employment in the lumber industry, which is stagnate in northern Ontario and Quebec. The cancellation of NAFTA would make life for those unemployed persons more difficult, as prices for American products would be more expensive due to increased tarrifs.

The federal government is doing well by exploring foreign markets for our crude oil, which sends the message that the government is willing to sell to others countries besides the United States.

[ 23 December 2005: Message edited by: TacitBlue ]


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Fidel
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posted 24 December 2005 12:31 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by TacitBlue:
Restricting the export of softwood lumber, or any natural resource, would result in the loss of more employment in the lumber industry, which is stagnate in northern Ontario and Quebec.

And so if the U.S. really is promoting globalism and free markets, then we might come to the conclusion that Canada should be free to sell its natural resources to the highest bidder. American's themselves have said that Canada demands too low a stumpage fees from foreign logging giants.

In fact, the McGuinty Liberal government in Ontario has done nothing to alleviate rising electric power costs in Ontario which has already cost logging and pulp & paper jobs in Northern Ontario. Power distribution companies are charging 8 cents per kilowatt hour and costs 2 cents per kWh to produce.

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The cancellation of NAFTA would make life for those unemployed persons more difficult, as prices for American products would be more expensive due to increased tarrifs.

So we'll make our own toilet paper. We should decide to keep our old growth forests in BC, and at least use it for fine quality printer paper or greeting cards instead of arse whipe for those super-sized Yankee arses. C'mon! Anyone who knows anything about NAFTA knows that full-time job creation in Canada dropped markedly in the 13.25 years after NAFTA was signed in direct comparison to the same time period before. Pull the other one, it's got bells on.


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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 24 December 2005 01:37 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The cancellation of NAFTA would make life for those unemployed persons more difficult, as prices for American products would be more expensive due to increased tarrifs.
What American products?

You must be referring to the Chinese-made products being distributed here by American companies. Well guess what? We'll get an immediate employment boost by importing and distributing those products directly to ourselves- and they'll cost us the same, but generate both corporate and personal income taxes here rather than south of the border.

We have nothing to lose but our fear.


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Jerry West
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posted 24 December 2005 05:57 PM      Profile for Jerry West   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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TacitBlue

Restricting the export of softwood lumber, or any natural resource, would result in the loss of more employment in the lumber industry,


Actually, restricting the export of raw logs might result in more employment in the lumber industry if we have markets for the wood milled from the previously exported logs.

Also, taking your argument further, we have to ask ourselves if we want to be blackmailed into giving up control over our resources and ultimately our sovereignity. In the long run we may be better off if instead of concentrating on trade we concentrate our efforts on achieving self sufficiency.

One thing about being self sufficient is that we won't have to worry about our major trading partner (whose economic situation is in serious danger) going broke and taking us down with them.


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