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Topic: Damn ma bell
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James
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posted 22 September 2005 12:32 PM
Some of you will know that I had scheduled a move of my telephone and internet service for yesterday. To say that it did not go smoothly would be an understatement. Rather than re-experience the anger of whole tale, I'll simply here past a copy of the e-mail I sent to the executive offices last evening. Hope the formatting translates O.K. technical terms - demarcation unit, demarc : the grey box that Bell puts on the side of the house - their wires come into it, your own internal wiring continues from there torpedo : those longish green tube boses that hang beneath the main telephone cables in the alley, from which individual services branch out pair : any two individual conductors in a telephone cable, required to provide the service quote: James ******************************* Sent : September 21, 2005 9:30:10 PM To : [email protected] Subject : VERY UNSATISFACTORY SERVICE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear sir or madam; I am a long time loyal Bell Canada customer. (519) *** - **** This afternoon, I am also a very angry one. Not only have I been greatly inconvenienced, lost business and a great deal of time, but I've had the pleasure of being treated as an idiot by a whole series of Bell Canada personel. Several weeks ago, I ordered a move of my Bell telephone and Sympatico high speed service. I was formerly at *************** in Windsor, ON. I was moving only 3 blocks, to ************* Avenue, *** ***, thus maintaining the same phone number. At the (new)address, there is one existing service (519 *********** ******) My service, as apparently your records show, is to be a second service at that address. I was advised that the move of both phone service and Sympatico could be done on the afternoon of September 21st. I planned my move accordingly. (I operate a home business and thus cannot be without phone and internet service.) Early this morning, the 21st, the service at (the old place) went down, as anticipated. I made arrangements to wait at the (new) address all afternoon, if necessary. The existing service at (new place) is by overhead cable to a single Bell demarcation unit. I had examined that unit in detail beforehand in order to plan for any necessary unternal wiring. (The Bell order was to demarc only.) I had noted that the incoming cable, from a "torpedo" at the back of the adjacent lot, was the standard 2 pair & ground, with the usual "red-green" attached to the existing servive. Thus I was able to advise, when placing my order, that new cable would not be necessary. When 4:00 P.M. approached this afternoon, I had not yet seen a tech, could see that no alterations had been made to the cable or demarc, and decided to call Bell to ensure that no glitches would be causing problems. After the expected "on holds", "redirects", etc. etc., I finally spoke to a "real person" in the business office, who, surprise, surprise, told me that the order showed as "complete". I know not where she was, but she could barely speak understandable english, did not know the local geography, and clearly did not know a "pair" from a "pear". Nonetheless, she was quite confident in assuring me, as I stood in front of the open demarc box, that the job was done. The "system" told her so! I presume sort of like, the Bible tells me so ??? I was adamant, so she generously agreed to contact a supervisor, and assured me that someone would call me at the contact number. She also gave me a direct line and extension by which I could supposedly contact her. A half hour or so passed, I recieved no call, and so tried the "888" # she had left. It went to what I came to understand was some sort of a phone sex service that had just been connected today. They congratulated me on being their first caller. I persisted, and through "611" eventually spoke to a "supervisor" in the repair department. He was extremely rude in the process of telling me that the job had been completed at 11:45 A.M., insinuating that I was too stupid to know how to plug in a phone, and insisting that the second service to the location had been tested and was working. This despite my assuring him that I had walked around the residence, no new overheads had been strung, no trenching had been done, no new demarcs installed, and that I was staring into the open existing demarc and seeing only one pair attached. He seemed highly offended that I would rhetorically ask how many wires were required per service. He would have me feel that I should consider myself "lucky" that my "repair" problem was scheduled to be addressed "sometime Friday". I have since spoken to an uninvolved Bell tech who, on hearing my description confirmed that there is "absolutely no way" that the move was properly completed today. He described it as "a typical screw-up". By the way, I have now tested the remaining, "unused" pair. It does not have dial tone. (yes, I opened your box, so shoot me) My questions, in this order. How soon will you get this "fixed", and at minimal inconvenience to me ? How would you propose to compensate for the incompetence and rudeness of your employees ? Lastly, and most important, how does this happen, and how can it be avoided. Yours truly James
From: Windsor; ON | Registered: Mar 2004
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 22 September 2005 01:16 PM
We recently moved, and I had similar troubles with Bell, and with Rogers.With Bell, they insisted they had made the switchover, but we had no dialtone. They informed us that they could have someone out to take a look at it "in a week", and insisted that was the soonest they could help us. The guy came out a week later, fixed some stuff, and we had service again, but now it's crapped out and we have to call again. With Rogers, we used their online self-serve page for service changes. The day before the move, I called them just for some confirmation, and (big surprise here!) they said they had no record of any service change to our new place (though, curiously, they seemed to have a disconnect order from the old place). Same deal: sure, we can help you, in 8 days. Naturally there's no way to force either Bell or Rogers to hurry up, or to make amends, or what have you, so I do the only thing left to me to to: I do my very best to make the idiot on the other end of the phone cry. I don't insult them, or call them names, or cross the line between angry and abusive, but I ask simple questions they cannot answer ("How is it that if my payment is late you know how to contact me, but if your serviceman will be late you cannot?") and I hammer away at them with common sense. If they cop out and say something like "I don't know" then I might ask "how much do they pay you to not know? Isn't it your job to know?". If they insist they have no record of my last call to them I might ask "Really? I was told at the beginning of the call that it was going to be recorded. Isn't that a record? Why don't I wait for a moment while you go access that then?", etc. I suppose it's mean, but I'll take my chances, karma-wise. And hearing the sputtering and the stammering does cheer me up.
From: ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø, | Registered: Dec 2002
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 22 September 2005 01:24 PM
Ya, I've lobbied for some freebies before. But I'd much rather have a week of internet service than some promo/discount thing, so knowing that when I get my bill in a month it'll be a little less than it would otherwise just isn't all that appealing. I'll take it if I can get it, but by that point I'd rather hear some sobs. (actually, for the record, I'm not aware that any customer service rep has actually cried after speaking to me.)
From: ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø,¸_¸,ø¤°°¤ø, | Registered: Dec 2002
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mersh
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posted 22 September 2005 01:34 PM
I've had terrible service with Bell & its various tendrils. Missed installation dates, service outages (we live in downtown Toronto, and for months the satellite cable would go out when it drizzled, really!), general lies, etc. Usually I just ask to speak to a supervisor immediately. Sometimes I've raised my voice, because, well, there's a limit, you know? If you persist & just repeat yourself enough ("well, that's just not good enough") with the right person (ie: management), you can worm something out of them. Of course, that wreaks havoc on the bill when it comes...
From: toronto | Registered: Aug 2005
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chester the prairie shark
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posted 22 September 2005 01:36 PM
now for an alternative story. we have total sasktel service: highspeed, cells,landline and tv. a few weeks ago my 15 year old disconnected the cable box so my 12 year old couldn't watch tv and "disturb" her . the next day when i get home said 12 year old had reconnected but we had blue screen. insisted 15 year old call tech service but, blah, blah, blah, eventually it was me talking to them. the guy talked me through stuff, did his thing on the other end and we were having no luck. after about 1/2 hour i'm down on my knees behind the tv, on the phone with the tech support when i see that 12 year old had plugged the cable into the wrong receptacle . this was a classic case of the customer not knowing what the hell was going on but the guy was calm, pleasant and helpful all the way through, thanks dude and umm, sorry.
From: Saskatoon | Registered: Sep 2004
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Mr. Magoo
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posted 22 September 2005 01:37 PM
I agree to a point. I know that companies structure things so that the person you CAN talk to lacks the authority to help you, and the person with the authority to help you is nicely shielded by the service reps.However I think any human who works with people has to have a certain amount of common sense, and so when they disregard common sense I'll call them on it. My thinking is "well, YOU'RE the one who just said you don't do that, and I'm showing you that you do, so what's up with that?" If they don't want me raking them over the coals, they need to make sense. I also think to myself "what did you think a customer service job would involve? Happy customers who call, go through voice mail hell, and wait on hold for 15 minutes to thank you for being awesome?".
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radiorahim
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posted 28 September 2005 08:51 PM
With Bell Canada, alot of it is the fallout from the lockout at Entourage...Bell's installation company....where I understand they first created this company and contracted out service and then decided to pull work back in again.Their service is in complete chaos...with right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing...except if you're late paying the bill. I've had two major service disruptions since March...both lasting over a week...one in the summer being the result of storm damage. Deregulation sucks. Back in the old "pre-deregulation" days you'd have repairs done in a day or two tops.
From: a Micro$oft-free computer | Registered: Jun 2002
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