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exiled armadillo
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posted 13 November 2004 12:34 AM      Profile for exiled armadillo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
VANCOUVER (CP) - A powerful U.S. senator is set to introduce legislation next week to pay American lumber companies the more than $3 billion in softwood lumber duties the Americans have collected, The Canadian Press has learned.
The Bill - to be introduced as early as Monday - comes despite the fact the softwood lumber dispute remains mired in trade litigation and the World Trade Organization has found such a move violates international rules.

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Cougyr
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posted 13 November 2004 01:30 AM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
B.C. Forests Minister Mike de Jong warned the bill could trigger a "full-scale crisis in the bilateral relationship between Canada and the U.S."

"If they move ahead with this, it will require retaliation from Canada," he said.


We should have had retaliation five years ago.


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Mazie
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posted 13 November 2004 01:36 AM      Profile for Mazie        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would really like to see a government with the ****** to slap an export duty on any raw wood or lumber products lacking "value added" processing over and above simple 2X4's to the equivalent of what ever it is that the importing country is charging.
I know it won't happen but (somebody will yell NAFTA) gosh it would be nice. including our ceder logs.

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fuslim
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posted 13 November 2004 05:50 AM      Profile for fuslim     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One of the interesting things about this debate is that there hasn't been one.

Try to find any discussion in the unfortunate rags that pass as BC newspapers (Sun and Province). Not a bit.

No politician in BC has addressed this issue in public.

I agree completely with tacking an export fee on top of all lumber products going into the US.
It should be substantial, say 100%.

The US has been charging a 30% fee, and this hasn't slowed exports one bit.

If I was king of BC, there'd be a 100% export fee on lumber tomorrow.

The only real question is what's taking so long?


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*Sight*
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posted 13 November 2004 12:57 PM      Profile for *Sight*     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's utterly ridiculous that we have to put up with the states NOT abiding by the rules set out in NAFTA.
Our gutless gov't (fed and prov) will never do ANYTHING that could be construed as "against" the fucking elephant down south!

The states is a big goddamn bully and I for one am very tired of it.

Hey Mazie! I'm originally from the Willy's Puddle are too -- my dad still works up there as a faller.


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Cougyr
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posted 13 November 2004 02:17 PM      Profile for Cougyr     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would take Mazie's point even further. I would outright ban the export of any raw resource: logs, mineral ore, fish, crude oil, natural gas, water. All of these can be value-added. Exporting raw resources is simply exporting jobs.

The softwood tariff is a national issue in Canada, but a local issue in various States. We need to make it a national issue in the US and the way to do that is to use the same tactics against the Americans. My suggestion is to put a tariff (say 29% like softwood) on all American cultural products: movies, tv shows, magazines, newspapers. We can certainly claim that they dump their cultural products on us and do whatever they can to destroy Canadian cultural products. I also suggest that we put tariffs on those food products, like lettuce and wine, which they deliberately underprice for the Canadian market. Also, we should ban American beef until they get their mad-cow problem under control, which should take at least as long as it takes for them to open the border to Canadian beef. By doing this we would get their attention. When they complain, we just point to what they are doing to us.

Grovelling to the Americans gets us nowhere.


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Klingon
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posted 13 November 2004 03:47 PM      Profile for Klingon        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
P’Tachk! The US government/Corporate America are a bunch of little Tarh'keks hiding behind a nuclear shield. Wimps, I say.

This is exactly what we should expect, especially from the Shrub and his clique of corporate puppets: blatant corporate welfare, using money they unfairly sucked out of Canada to further line the pockets of big US lumber interests, many of which own logging and milling operations in Canada as well (who no doubt will be going once again to our governments with their hand out).

Folks should keep in mind, however, that although the NAFTA trade board ruled against the US, it is now in the appeal stage to the trade umpire, who is basically a US judge. It is at this stage that the US has yet to lose a trade battle--both with Canada and Mexico.

The senator is obviously quite confident the US government will win again. Keep in mind that while the tribunal said the US government violated the spirit of NAFTA; it did not site any specific sections of the deal that were actually broken.

Add to this, the WTO ruling on the matter have been much more harsh on Canada, despite also not being happy with the US position. NAFTA gives the US government a lot more flexibility than to Canada or Mexico, and the WTO is clearly very pro-US big business.

Of course the BC Liberal regime is playing its usual hypocritical game, on the one hand, denouncing the US government, and on the other bringing in all kinds of legislation that weaken appurtenance and other job protection measures in the forest industry, while encouraging greater raw log exports and rolling back the ecological standards for harvesting set up by the previous NDP government. It also is refusing to urge Ottawa to take counter measures against the US or to demand changes or pull-of of NAFTA.


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Rufus Polson
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posted 16 November 2004 01:16 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There must be some mistake. We're talking about Americans here--firm believers in Free Enterprise. What's being described would be a (gasp) Subsidy! It would Distort Trade! American politicians would never do something like that just because it served their own parochial interests and lined the coffers of their re-election funds. No, no, I'm sure this will turn out to be in error--an action like this would make it seem as if the Americans were a bunch of hypocrites, cheerully ramming free trade down everyone else's throat where it suits them and ignoring it when it's to their own advantage. Why, next you'll tell me something silly like, after years of browbeating third world countries to drop agricultural tariffs and subsidies, they then turned around and awarded massive subsidies to their own exported agricultural products . . .
They did? My world is falling to pieces.

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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 17 November 2004 12:16 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
And this is what two decades of shamelessly sucking up to the Americans gets us. I chortle when people warn that the NDP or Carolyn Parrish's anti-American comments could lead to the Americans acting against us on trade matters.
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