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posted 31 December 2007 12:35 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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UNCHR the very “respected“ agency that deals with refugees (and I find myself spelling it out for you since you are so behind and ignorant in everything) calls it “Survival Sex.”

I am sure this term turns you on – after all you have been trying it for years since your sexual liberation and it has not borne any fruits. Well maybe, just maybe, you think to yourself, it will bear fruit in Iraq.

Well, it did. Pat yourselves on the back. “Democracy” and “survival sex.”
What better combo can one wish for ?

Survival sex is rampant not only inside Iraq but also outside.

It happens in alley ways, around shrines, in dirty beds and in bars...Bars in Syria and Jordan.

They are all waiting for Mr.Goodbar.



http://arabwomanblues.blogspot.com/

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rural - Francesca
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posted 31 December 2007 12:44 PM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Survival sex exists in a rural community here in Canada too.

Where women pay the rent, on their back.

They live with abusive partners, because social service workers suggest 'getting a man' as a way making ends meet.

It's the sexualization of women that promotes sexual currency.


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posted 31 December 2007 12:56 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Seriously FM what exactly was your point in posting this?
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posted 31 December 2007 01:27 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it is important that those who supported the illegal war in Iraq, sometimes citing freedom and democracy, know exactly what horrors they've done through their part to inflict misery upon a people.

Another excerpt:

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Hungry and exiled because of YOU and YOUR fucking democracy. And this is exactly what it boils down to -- a fucking democracy.

How many people in the middle-east now associate Western democracy with Iraq and Gaza?


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posted 31 December 2007 02:01 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frankly, I don't see the blog as an example depicting what you call the horrors of what was done..
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posted 31 December 2007 02:06 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do. I see it also as an example of justified rage.

How about this:

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A score of young Iraqi women in tight, shimmering gowns shuffle across the nightclub dance floor under the hungry eyes of Gulf Arabs at nearby tables.

The band blasts out Iraqi songs into the early hours as the watching youths join the dancing or summon girls to sit with them -- there is little pretence about what gets transacted at this neon-lit nightspot half an hour's drive north of Damascus.

The dancers, some in their early teens, do not want to talk, but one said she had no other way to support her family. "My father was killed in Baghdad and our money is finished," muttered the dark-haired girl in a black and silver dress.

The United Nations refugee agency UNHCR calls it "survival sex"



Maybe Reuters is more to your liking.

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posted 31 December 2007 02:12 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I see the blog and your example from Reuters, as the same rage ALL women have felt for 1000's of generations over having to have "survival sex".
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posted 31 December 2007 02:16 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, well, perhaps. Except this survival sex has been imposed upon an entire nation in the name of democracy. And if you read the blog, that woman sees it in Iraq as something new and she blames America. In the current context, I would think her perspective can for this moment stand alone.
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posted 31 December 2007 02:24 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read the whole blog, and I also noted she sees it as something new and particular to democracy, and as she called it, a derivative of the west's "sexual liberation", but it does not mean she is correct that it only started with democracy, or indeed with sexual liberation.
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posted 31 December 2007 02:43 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I know. I think what is more important than her words is the target of her words. It is us. She hates all of us. She doesn't differentiate between the actions of our governments and we as subjects of our governments.

It is interesting, to me, that she views the West through the cultural lens of movies and television. She sees us as "neurotic, desperate, dependent, insecure".

Maybe we are.


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posted 31 December 2007 03:17 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, and your point would be what? Proving that irrational hatred of the other based upon incorrect perceptions is universal?
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posted 31 December 2007 03:28 PM      Profile for Frustrated Mess   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, who is the "other" here? Us or her?
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posted 31 December 2007 04:52 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frustrated Mess:
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She doesn't differentiate between the actions of our governments and we as subjects of our governments.
Should she, really? How many Canadians are about to vote for the Conservative Party despite its horrendous politics of supporting the bombing of Lebanon and Afghanistan and the continuing occupation of Palestine and Iraq? Not to mention the treatment of minorities in Canada. At what point can we start deeming citizens responsible for the people they democratically elect and remain silent about in the context of an (almost) free press?

[ 31 December 2007: Message edited by: martin dufresne ]


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posted 31 December 2007 05:11 PM      Profile for remind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Linking "survival sex" as to be the "triumph" of democracy is extremely short sighted at best, at worst it denotes extreme self delusion and self imposed ignorance.

Because reasoning that survival sex is a new thing, and that it is an off shoot of democracy, and only occurs where democracy is a little more than not being rational.

There is reason enough to hate the USA for what it has done, one need not ascribe to, or believe in, falsehoods to heap on more hatred.


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posted 31 December 2007 05:30 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like Havana of the 1950's.
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posted 31 December 2007 06:36 PM      Profile for rural - Francesca   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is just the continued situation of women around the world. This is not exculsive to any country, the 3rd world etc.
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posted 31 December 2007 06:40 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Should she, really? How many Canadians are about to vote for the Conservative Party despite its horrendous politics of supporting the bombing of Lebanon and Afghanistan and the continuing occupation of Palestine and Iraq? Not to mention the treatment of minorities in Canada. At what point can we start deeming citizens responsible for the people they democratically elect and remain silent about in the context of an (almost) free press?

I agree with this. here is what she says in the same vein:

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Some of them are as old your teenagers - with one major difference.

They are forced into it whilst your teenagers produce videos of it on you tube, counting hits for the highest number of viewers.

Your teenagers will seek therapy eventually. After several miscarriages, unwanted pregnancies, failed marriages and a string of boyfriends and probably end up in some rehab talking about it in a "meaningful sharing way.”

Our teenagers, on the other hand, forced into it by YOU, will remain stigmatized for the rest of their lives and they can already kiss their future goodbye. They have no future.


So tell me, is that not criminal ?

So tell me, does that not make you a complicit criminal people?


We are complicit. She has every right to be as angry as she is. Although I think she is right to feel this way, I think she is wrong in assuming that men in Iraq prior to what she calls democracy, were somehow free from sexual exploitation, rape and harassment of women. Men were doing this to women long before Americans came in to fuck up their world. Now it just much much worse, and the enemies are potentially all men.


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posted 31 December 2007 06:56 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by martin dufresne:

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Should she, really? How many Canadians are about to vote for the Conservative Party despite its horrendous politics of supporting the bombing of Lebanon and Afghanistan and the continuing occupation of Palestine and Iraq? Not to mention the treatment of minorities in Canada. At what point can we start deeming citizens responsible for the people they democratically elect and remain silent about in the context of an (almost) free press?


I would hazard a guess that the majority of those who vote Conservative or Liberal "support the troops" in Afganistan and all the other examples you gave (above). I think this is quite a conservative country, with pockets of progressives here and there. I remember the schools I went to in Ottawa in the 50s and 60s - of all the folks I knew back then, very, very few of them were progressive in any way shape or form. I think it's a bit of a miracle that the federal NDP does as well as it does, frankly.


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posted 31 December 2007 07:01 PM      Profile for martin dufresne   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Linking "survival sex" as to be the "triumph" of democracy is extremely short sighted at best, at worst it denotes extreme self delusion and self imposed ignorance.
I'm not sure I read it the way you do. She is obviously sarcastic about the type of "democracy" the West is imposing and that forces minority women and those of occupied countries into "survival sex". It isn't democracy she is impugning but the Western Alliance's travesty of it. Who are we to pretend she is self-delusive or ignorant? I suggest she probably knows more about the underbelly of our system than we do...

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