In the wake of an historic tragedy, it sounds from this Yahoo Story like voters are feeling a lot of anger towards their outgoing right-wing government, and the election results may reflect that.

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MADRID, Spain - Spaniards voted Sunday in general elections thrown wide open by a reported al-Qaida claim that it staged deadly rail bombings last week to punish the government for supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq. Protesters shouted "murderer" at the ruling party candidate as he cast his ballot.

Voter turnout was high, and many people said they went to the polls purely to show their fury at President Jose Maria Aznar and his Popular Party for Spain's worst terror attack.

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"I didn't intend to vote, but changed my mind," said Javi Martin, 30, who works for a TV station in Madrid. "And not because of the attacks, but because of the responsibility of the Popular Party. They gave out information drop by drop. It would have benefited them if it were ETA."

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Originally posted by Stockholm:
. . . the smaller parties are more likely to back the Socialists

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Not all of them. Catalonia (capital Barcelona) has a left-wing nationalist party and a right-wing one. The right-wing one (Convergence and Union) was in a coalition government with the conservatives in the parliament before the last one. The left-wing one (ERC) has only one seat nationally, but is in a coalition government with the Socialists at the provincial level in Catalonia, where the official opposition is the right-wing nationalist party.

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It's nice to know not everyone subjected to such a murderous attack responds by reflexively wrapping themselves in the flag and grovelling at the feet of their Great Leaders -- unlike in certain other countries I could mention.

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Not everyone reflexively wrapped themselves up in the flag and grovelled at the feet of the President after the national tragedy in my country, beluga.

I have looked at some Spanish TV websites. They have now counted 12% of the votes and it looks like a crushing defeat for the PP!!! They are now projecting 164 seats for the Socialists and 134 for the conservative PP. The rightwing Convergence and Union party is down to 11 seats and the new left-leaning Catalonian nationalist ERC is at 8 and the Communists are set for 5 seats.

No question that the Socialists and the left-leaning regionalists and the Communists and Greens etc... have a very clear majority.

It is all at www.elpais.es

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Not all of them. Catalonia (capital Barcelona) has a left-wing nationalist party and a right-wing one. The right-wing one (Convergence and Union) was in a coalition government with the conservatives in the parliament before the last one. The left-wing one (ERC) has only one seat nationally, but is in a coalition government with the Socialists at the provincial level in Catalonia, where the official opposition is the right-wing nationalist party.

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Robbie_dee, you're right, not everyone did in the US, thank goodness. It's that 80% or so (wasn't that around Bush's approval rating right afterwards?) that gave the other 20% a bad name.

Although it follows an horrific event and the new government will certainly face a lot of challenges in dealing with the fall-out.

Also thank you, Michelle. I still hope and expect that the real verdict on Bush will be delivered this November, and it will look very different than what two and a half year old opinion polls would have suggested.

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Well Stockholm, so much for your prediction that the bombings would push people to the right leading to a massive victory for the PP. I don't think the corollary is true either - that terrorist attacks will push people to the left.

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I'm very happy to have been wrong!!

http://www.elpais.es/comunes/2004/elecciones2004/index.html

This page has the results as they come in.

Socialists 160
ERC 8
Communists 5
To come: 15 (Canary Islands)

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I think we got the better half of the trade!

BTW, wasn't it the Greek "left" that tried banning video games?

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CC is Canary Islands Coalition. I assume they are in a different time zone, only just started counting.

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Back to Spain. Has the SP promised to extricate itself from Iraq? If so, I wonder if they'll follow through.

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But Go PSOE....great news, for a change.

Obviously a couple of seats changing hands.

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The international ramifications of this could be huge. (in a good way). Here was a government that took a high profile in being pro-US and in ostentatiously sending troops to Iraq and having lots of Blair/Bush/Aznar photo ops. Now the voters have vomited them out of power.

What will be impact of this be on the world?

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Liberal Democrats in 2005? :-)

BTW, either my Spanish sucks even more than I thought, or the PP is conceding

"El responsable de organización del PP, José Blanco, ya ha anunciado la victoria socialista."

The representative of the People's Party's organisation, José Blanco, has already announced the socialist victory. :-)

YAY!!!

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As the German newspaper Die Welt put it, what happened was the "al-Qaeda-isation" of European terrorism.

Public opinion may therefore be readier to accept more draconian security and restrictions on civil liberties, though that cannot be taken for granted.

There has been much criticism of Britain's decision in anti-terrorism legislation to opt out of a section of the European Convention on Human Rights - the only country to do so.

Governments across Europe are now rethinking their strategies.

For example, a huge operation was already under way with international involvement to protect the Olympic Games in Athens in August.

Now the Greek government says the plan will be strengthened. It has asked Nato to help with security, for example in aerial surveillance.

The French government is calling in the military to reinforce police security for public transport.

The Italians have told the police and local authorities to tighten their precautions.

On a European level, some will make the case for more intense co-operation against suspected terrorists through the police agency Europol, and other EU institutions, as a matter of routine.

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At 11:10pm Madrid time, with 96% of votes counted:

PSOE 163 10540807 42.72 %
PP 148 9301476 37.70 %
CiU 11 795588 3.22 %
ERC 8 625822 2.54 %
EAJ-PNV 7 405978 1.65 %
IU 5 1227574 4.97 %
CC 3 172972 0.70 %
BNG 2 200818 0.81 %
CHA 1 93653 0.38 %
EA 1 78920 0.32 %
Na-Bai 1 56282 0.23 %

Along with the protests across Spain yesterday against the lies and manipulation of the PP government after the terrorist attacks, this victory for the Left is certainly a saving grace after the March 11th tragedy.

The PP was expected to win before the terrorist attacks. That was worrying enough. But after the attacks and the PP's response, it would have been a disaster for the Right to win, and would have meant a huge blow for the Left in Spain and, frankly, across Europe and beyond.

I think this victory shows that the huge anti-war and social-protest movements of the past couple years in Spain and elsewhere in Western Europe, go much deeper and are much more resilient than the anti-globalization movements that were almost totally demobilized and disoriented in the USA and Canada after September 11th.

This election result is an encouraging sign that it won't prompt the demobilization and shift to the Right that we saw in the USA and, to a lesser degree, in Canada. But it remains to be seen, of course, what the overall effects of the terrorist attacks will be. I for one remain worried and scared...

The breakthrough for the ERC (Catalan left nationalists) is interesting. The anti-war and social/strike movements have been strongest in Barcelona/Catalonia, and the ERC were horribly baited as "separatists", "traitors", etc. by the PP.

I regret the weak showing of IU, which is the force I feel closest to, although in recent years it has become more moderate and oriented itself even more towards a government alliance with the PSOE. Still, it is the parliamentary force that has been most involved in the anti-war and social-protest movements. It had 8 seats in the outgoing parliament and now is down to 5...

After the terrorist attacks, my feeling is that the elections became a referendum on the PP's irresponsible and manipulative response and to its indirect responsibility for the attacks, given its decision to forge a strong alliance with Bush and Blair. The surest way to get rid of the PP was to vote PSOE, which is what a plurality of Spanish voters have done.

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Worse, it's really down to three. It lost its seats in Asturias, Cordoba, Malaga and Sevilla, dropped from 3 to 2 in Madrid, and hung on to Valencia. But the Catalan Green Left, which won a single seat on its own last time, joined the United Left list and won two seats this time. They needed 5 seats for parliamentary group status, and just made it.

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The Basque PNV has sometimes had local coalitions with the left, but more recently has supported the right. So have the Canarian Coalition and the Aragon CHA.

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The Basque PNV has sometimes had local coalitions with the left, but more recently has supported the right. So have the Canarian Coalition and the Aragon CHA.

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My impression is that those parties will ally themselves with whoever is going to form the government anyways. They just want more money for their regions.

I don't think the PSOE is a "perfectly good party". In the past, aside from all its corruption scandals, it anchored Spain in NATO in the Cold War 1980s and ushered in the neo-liberal policies that Aznar and the PP merely deepened.

And we shall see what the new government actually says and does on economic and foreign policy. I hope it immediately withdraws Spanish troops from Iraq.

For someone who wants one-party rule in a country as regionally/linguistically/politically diverse as Spain, it's pretty rich to be accusing the IU of being Stalinist.

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My guess is that the new moderate IU leadership will support the new government in exchange for a few crumbs or maybe a ministry. The dynamic and growing radical and social-movement Left in Spain deserves better than this.

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Could you imagine Lenin as Karensky's Minister of Sport?

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I hope the PSOE has lots of young women like her.

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Oh who needs them anyways, they just split the vote with the PSOE which is a perfectly good party anyways and is a sister party to the NDP. If a party to the left of the NDP ever looks set to win any seats in Canada, I hope it gets nipped in the bud. The chances of the PSOE being in power for a long time will be bolstered if they don't have to worry about a little band of unreconstruicted Stalinists on their left.

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Does Spain have a purely first past the post electoral system like we do?

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The youngest woman in the number one position is Leire Pajin, 27. She was first elected to Congress 4 years ago, a sociology graduate who had been a student association president and Youth Secretary of the Valencia PSOE. Now she has led five socialists into Congress from the 11-member seat of Alicante, just south of the city of Valencia.

Another is 40: Soraya Rodriguez, a lawyer who has been serving as a deputy in the European Parliament. She is one of two socialists elected from Valladolid which has five seats.

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In the 35th Federal Congress of the PSOE, celebrated in July 2000, Leire Pajín was elected Federal Secretary for Relations with NGOs and Social Movements.

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Sounds like a position Jack Layton would like the party to have.

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In this article from the GayBarcelona website she explains why

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the Socialist Party has been defending for years the right to marriage of homosexual couples. We presented an initiative that proposes amending the Civil Code in the matter of marriage . . the PP remained alone in opposing this, and used their parliamentary majority to reject this proposal. When we attain government in 2004 we will be able to turn it into a reality. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero already has committed himself that this will be one of the first initiatives he will put before Parliament when he is President.

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The PSOE uses "zippered" lists.

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. . an internal rule that is included in our Statutes and defines what we call peer democracy. It states that any list, either internal or institutional, must have a minimum representation of 40% and maximum of 60% of both sexes. This rule started to be applied in 1988 with a minimum of 25% of women. This resulted in an increase of women MP's from 7% to 38% in the year 2000.

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This time they had 46% women on the PSOE lists. The number elected will be worth noting.

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Good to see what is happening in Spain today. Now if Bush can get his sorry arse thrown out the door in November the global community can start cleaning up the mess he created.

I don't know how the Governing Party was trying to portray the bombings, but if they were trying to use it as a "I told you so" tactic, it totally backfired.

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And here's a 33-year old law professor Carmen Chacon who has already served four years as a deputy from Barcelona.

In this article from the GayBarcelona website she explains why

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The PP-platform reminds me a lot of the Reformatory provisional platform, from what little I could understand from my poor Spanish.

Talk about push polling.

Tomorrow on CNN:

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LOL, I'm sure the global community's going to get right on that....

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Yes, because we all that the global community is a homogenous blob of altruism supportive of gay rights, social democracy, religious freedom, and the right to a living wage.

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In the wake of those dumb Greeks electing a rightwing government and those wonderful Spaniards electing the PSOE, I have done the following:

Zapatero reaffirms that he will recall Spanish troops from Iraq by 30 June unless UN assumes control.

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“The military intervention was a political error for the international order, for the search for co-operation, for the defence of the United States,” Mr. Zapatero said, adding that Spain would maintain “cordial” relations with Washington.

“It divided more than it united, there were no reasons for it, time has shown that the arguments for it lacked credibility and the occupation has been managed badly.”

He refused Monday to set a date for a possible withdrawal of Spain's 1,300 troops in Iraq, saying only that one would be set after he takes over as prime minister some weeks from now.

“I have said clearly in recent months that, unless there is a change in that the United Nations take control and the occupiers give up political control, the Spanish troops will come back, and the limit for their presence there is June 30,” he said.

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His father's last name is Rodriguez, and his mother's Zapatero. So, Jose Rodriguez Zapatero.

I came across this this info while googling him:

"Su abuelo paterno, el capitán del Ejército Juan Rodríguez Lozano, fue fusilado en Puente Castro (León) en agosto de 1936, al mes de iniciarse la guerra civil española, por negarse a secundar el alzamiento de Francisco Franco y otros generales contra la República."

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For anyone who now feels inclined to do a google image search on "Zapatero", just to see what skdadl means, you'll see a lot more than you would expect.

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Maybe here is the place to point out that the new Spanish leader's last name is Rodriguez?

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he's chosen to go by "zapatero": see www.zapateropresidente.com

It had occurred to me that he continued to use "zapatero" because it is such a working class name.

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The White House made little effort to disguise who it wanted to win. "I believe that the Spanish people understand that they've had strong and good leadership in José María Aznar and that fighting terrorism cannot allow one to be intimidated," President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, said on Sunday.

The US administration knew the bombings would have an effect at the polls but assumed that they would bolster support for Mr Aznar's party. "I hope this will cause Europeans to rededicate themselves to going after terrorist organisations," said the US secretary of state, Colin Powell.

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The repetition of the term "fighting terror" in this article is remarkable. It's as if Powell, Rice and the others see the rest of the world only as prospective enemies or allies in the US War on Terror®.

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Yikes!

For anyone who now feels inclined to do a google image search on "Zapatero", just to see what skdadl means, you'll see a lot more than you would expect.

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(Well, I can't post the diagram, so you can look it up yourself.)

But they quote Zapatero as wanting to run a minority government, a "monocolor" government "without attachments" but with "permanent dialogue" for four years.

This seems a bit outrageous in Catalonia, where the provincial government is a coalition of the three left parties. "If we are good enough to be coalition partners in Catalonia, why are we not good enough in Madrid?" seems to be the reaction.

That would be either the third or fourth choices in the diagram, with or without three minor left-nationalist parties from Galicia and Aragon. (Oddly, their definition of "the whole left" excludes Begoña Lasagabaster, who I think is a left-nationalist deputy from the Basque country. But what do I know?)

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Could this be true?

Here are the comments of the Editor of elmundo.es about Almodovar's comments about a possible coup:

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USA: elmundo.es is reporting that according to Pedro Almodovar, "el PP estuvo a punto de provocar un golpe de Estado el s?bado" (that the Popular Party was on the verge of provoking a coup d'etat on Saturday).

I realize that Almodovar may not be the best source for political information. But do you have any comment about this?

Borja Echevarria: You're right. He's not the best source. His comments were based in a rumour circulating by e-mail, and he, stupidly, has made it true.

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"I am going to say something which right now is circulating as a rumour, and which, if confirmed, would be horrible." Then he talks about a possible coup.

Obviously, a coup in Spain is impossible. Europe would not stand for it, nor would the King, who stood up and faced down the last coup attempt of Milans del Bosch twenty years ago.

I would not be surprised if it transpired that the PP thought about a state of seige, or other kind of emergency, and also about postponing the elections in the wake of the bombings at Atocha and elsewhere.

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Spain is set to join France and Germany, once dismissed by U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld as "old Europe," in opposing military involvement in Iraq. "Old Europe has been fortified. It is a lesson for the United States. The coalition is not permanent," said Stefano Silvestrini, an analyst for the International Affairs Institute here.

Nonetheless, Spain's defection does not seem to be causing a rush to the exits. Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, who has been at odds with opposition groups about the military involvement in Iraq, pledged to keep the country's 2,300 soldiers there.

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It is a paradox, but the incoming prime minister, Mr. Zapatero, can only redeem Spanish democracy if he repudiates the popular mandate he has received, by proclaiming that there will be no withdrawal from Iraq because of any act of terrorism, Muslim or Basque.

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The loathing for democracy on the part of advocates of the War 'Gainst Terror isn't even concealed anymore.

"The terrorists' war against demcoracy will not succeed!"

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the incoming prime minister, Mr. Zapatero, can only redeem Spanish democracy if he repudiates the popular mandate he has received,

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I'm just waiting for the opinion makers to start saying that a vote for Kerry is a vote for Bin Laden.

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September 11 became a political football on that very day, and it has since been punted all over the playing field. The GOP has tried relentlessly to throw the blame at Clinton, but on Tuesday, the game took a bizarre new turn. According to an editorial in the New York Post, John Kerry is to blame for the attacks of September 11. Yes, you read that right. John Kerry did it.

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I repeat that the Socialist Party will be forming a non-coalition government.

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José Antonio Labordeta, Professor of History, born in 1935, founder of the Andalán magazine and the Socialist Party of Aragón (PSA) succeeded by the Chunta Aragonesista (CHA), has run several times in elections for left parties. He had been elected to the local Cortes de Aragón for the CHA when he won a seat with the same formation in the national Congress in 1999, to which he has now been re-elected as one of the seven deputies for Zaragoza, one of the three constituencies of Aragon. The voice of Aragón, he has written books of poetry and a novel. His "song of freedom" has become the hymn of Aragón, the region of north-east Spain lying between Catalonia and Navarra.

Next door in Navarra, newly elected is Uxue Barkos, for the progressive coalition of Navarra "NaBai," supported by Basque nationalists, the Republican Left of Catalonia, and others. She is a journalist, 39, with a 14-month-old son.

Then there's Olaia Fernández. She's a trade unionist who has been a member of the Galician Parliament from 1993 to 2003, now elected to the national Congress for the BNG.

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Isabel Fuentes is the first deputy who was born after the Constitution of 1978.

Born December 18, 1978, in Almeria, twelve days after the approval of the constitutional text, she acted as secretary to the Congress at its opening Friday, April 2, being the youngest of the 350 deputies who make up the Chamber.

Deputy Isabel Fuentes affirms that her status as youngest parliamentarian brought her "much joy" and "pride" "to represent all the citizens of Cadiz and Spain."

On being born after the Constitution of 1978, Fuentes notes that it has allowed her "to enjoy a series of rights that others have not had", although she notes that this circumstance has not reduced her interest in events in the stage before democracy.

"I enjoy listening to people and understanding the previous events. One stage is as important as another and we have to take account of them", she says.

The Andalusian deputy insists that since being included in the Congress list as number six for the constituency of Cadiz, she had been confident of getting a seat because of her belief in the triumph of the PSOE.

Fuentes, who works as a social worker in Chiclana (Cadiz), emphasizes her passion for the political work that she does, and the firmness of her ideological principles.

"Once I become involved in what I'm doing, I enjoy the work. I have many goals, and I don't think about vacations," she declares.

She began her activities in the PSOE at age 18, and since then she has held various positions in her local group, among them those of secretary of Socialist Youths in Chiclana and member of the Executive of this locality.

Her interest in politics, she explains, started at 18 when she began to study at Jerez de la Frontera University, where she obtained a diploma in Social Work.

"That was when I realized we citizens have rights which are recognized in the Constitution, but not completely. And you see bad things, and those unjust things are those that motivated me to enter politics", she comments.

The deputy for Cadiz expresses her admiration for the future president of the Government, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, and for his political talents.

"He enchants me. I see a person very respectful of others, coherent and calm. He does not make decisions lightly and he thinks about the consequences they can have," she affirms.

In addition, she honours Felipe González and Alfonso Guerra as the politicians she admires most, although she praised, first of all, the mayor of her locality - Chiclana de la Frontera - Manuel Jiménez Barrios.

With respect to the present political scene, Fuentes sees the problems that affect youth, in particular relating to access to necessities of life, obtaining scholarships, and the shortage of jobs.

"All this has to change" thinks the socialist parliamentarian, who adds that her political aspirations at the moment are "to work and fight hard for my party and my town."

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Cadiz and area has nine seats in Congress. The Socialists won 6, the conservatives 3. Of the 6 socialists, 3 are women; both the other two are 35. Last time in 2000 the socialists won 4, the conservatives 4, and the Andalucian Party 1 (its only deputy).

Last time the United Left list got only 6.66%, not enough for a seat in a region of 9. This time their vote dropped still further, as their supporters cast strategic votes (they call them "useful votes") for the Socialists. I guess some Andalucian Party voters did the same thing.

This shows the problem of the "pure regional list" model with self-contained regions of only, in Spain, an average of 8 seats per region. Too high an effective threshold for many tastes. But larger regions would not be acceptable even in Spain, a very local country despite being more densely populated than Canada.

A good demonstration of why we need a mixed member system with seats calculated at the provincial level and distributed among regions, as five German states do.

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He also got the three Canary Coalition deputies. In an amusing echo of Ontario's discussion of the Conservatives possibly lending a member to the NDP to make up the eight seats required for party status, the Canary Island socialists have lent two of their six deputies to the centrist Canary Coalition which won three seats, bringing the Canary Coalition up to the five seats required for a Parliamentary Group. Perhaps the three real CC deputies were grateful.

Note that the Catalan ERC supports the independence of Catalonia. Without those eight deputies, Zapatero would have been one vote short of his majority.

Abstaining were the ten centre-right Catalan CIU deputies, the seven centre-right Basque deputies, and the two left-wing Basque deputies who are perhaps more Basque than Left.

All of which shows that Canada is not the only country with regional dimensions that complicate life for socialists. In principle, it's exactly like an NDP minority government dependent on Bloc Quebecois support.

The price of ERC support was not a referendum on independence. It was for Zapatero to use his best efforts to make Catalonian an official language of the European Union.

[ 17 April 2004: Message edited by: Wilfred Day ]

The Party itself is a collection of local parties. Of Spain's 42 million people, only the 8.4 million in the southern regions of Andalucia (whose largest city is Seville) and Extremadura have parties called, for example, the "PSOE de Andalucia."

It's not only the 6.6 million people of Catalonia who have their own local socialist party, the PSC (Partit dels Socialistes de Catalunya). Even Madrid's 6 million have the FSM (Federación Socialista Madrileña). And so on, all the way down to the little enclave of Ceuta whose 64,200 people have their own Partido de los Socialistas de Ceuta.

Perhaps the NDP could become more imaginative in inventing local solutions.

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Picasso's painting has outlived the fascist lies of 1937 to this day ...

Picasso's "Guernica"

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