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lagatta
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posted 27 February 2006 09:50 AM

Twenty years after the assassination of the Prime Minister of Sweden, left-wing social democrat Olof Palme, the crime remains unsolved.

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arborman
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posted 27 February 2006 03:16 PM

Countdown until Fidel comes in and blames it on the CIA begins now...

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ronb
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posted 27 February 2006 04:17 PM

To be fair, the CIA theory is right there in lagatta's 2nd link.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 04:21 PM

quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
Countdown until Fidel comes in and blames it on the CIA begins now...

The Pentagon once listed the African National Congress as a terrorist group, but not Jonas Savimbi's Unita, or the Israeli-sponsored proxy army in South Lebanon, nor the U.S.-backed contra mercenaries. South Africa was supporting both Unita in Angola and Renamo in Mozambique. Their covert hit squads spanned from across Europe to Scandinavia. S. African forces claimed that their own had Palme killed in the 1990's. The CIA is suspected of ordering Palme's death for his outspoken opinions at the UN about what were U.S. interventions around the third world. The CIA/NSA is the root of all evil with influence that spans the globe. They've been at the source of several premature deaths of prominent socialists: Patrice Lumumba - Dag Hammarskjold, Olof Polme, Salvador Allende and so on. May their blood scream for all eternity.

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Bacchus
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posted 27 February 2006 04:47 PM

Hmm I heard a dutch interview on the CBC that interviews Dutch detectives who wrote a book linking the killing of Palme to a the murder of a Turkist journalist in Holland by the PPK

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arborman
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posted 27 February 2006 05:47 PM

2 posts, that was fast.

Sometimes, people are killed by people who are not in, or linked to, the CIA. It happens, I swear. I can say with reasonable certainty that the CIA did not kill my grandfather, despite his decades of Communist votes while holding a government post (the joy of the secret ballot). I'm pretty sure it was the cancer, but maybe the CIA gave it to him? Well, he did smoke for 60 years, but no doubt he was the victim of a CIA plot. Ok, my mind is changed - the CIA, the root of all evil, killed my grandfather. And Olaf Palme.

As for who really killed Palme, who knows? Not me, and probably not Fidel (though I suspect Fidel thinks he knows). It could have been a random act of violence, it could have been a political killing that had nothing to do with the CIA, it could have been the CIA (why not?) or the KGB.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 05:57 PM

Arborman, you're a laff.

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Cueball
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posted 27 February 2006 06:00 PM

quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
2 posts, that was fast.
Sometimes, people are killed by people who are not in, or linked to, the CIA. It happens, I swear. I can say with reasonable certainty that the CIA did not kill my grandfather, despite his decades of Communist votes while holding a government post (the joy of the secret ballot). I'm pretty sure it was the cancer, but maybe the CIA gave it to him? Well, he did smoke for 60 years, but no doubt he was the victim of a CIA plot. Ok, my mind is changed - the CIA, the root of all evil, killed my grandfather. And Olaf Palme.
As for who really killed Palme, who knows? Not me, and probably not Fidel (though I suspect Fidel thinks he knows). It could have been a random act of violence, it could have been a political killing that had nothing to do with the CIA, it could have been the CIA (why not?) or the KGB.

Highly unlikely it was the KGB. Palme had good, if not perfect relations with the KGB.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 06:12 PM

Don't bother, Cueball. For ppl like arborman, things like like that just don't happen. I suppose a world uncluttered by assassination plots and dirty deeds ordered by agencies drawing more US taxpayer dollars every year than we spend on social programs is a comfortable place to be. It's easier to ridicule than understand.

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Cueball
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posted 27 February 2006 06:25 PM

The implication that Palme had "good" relations with the KGB is not entirely positive in my view.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 06:35 PM

oh ffs I'm sure Allende was a KGB stooge, too?.

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Cueball
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posted 27 February 2006 06:40 PM

There is a difference between being stooge and having good relations. There is no doubt that the KGB invested a great deal of money, effort and time doing what they could to affect Swedish policy. Keeping Sweden strictly neutral and influencing Swedish FP was certainly things of interest to the KGB.

I would say they were being derilct if they did not. Sources I have read said they kept in constant touch with Palme, and if I remember correctly, has someone close to him.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 06:46 PM

Palme was a socialist and an advocate for human rights in Africa. He spoke out against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. He also criticized the ten thousand day war waged on poor people in Vietnam by the France, USA and communist China, Cueball.

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Cueball
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posted 27 February 2006 06:46 PM

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Markus Wolf, head of East German intelligence, recently visited Stockholm and claimed that Stasi had contacts with two or three Swedish members of parliament. Wolf claimed that Denmark and Norway were more important targets for Stasi, as they were NATO members. But Sweden, due to bad border security, was often used for meetings between Stasi officials and agents in Western Europe.

I do see why this kind of thing is shcoking

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 06:56 PM

The CIA has had thousands of agents spread out over every major city in the world. The Pentagon still has almost 900 military installations around the world costing U.S. taxpayers several hundred billion dollars a year, apparently to protect Europeans, N&S American's and Asian's from a cold war threat that doesn't exist anymore.

Palme criticized the Soviets too, and they didn't kill him for it, Cueball. Wherever the CIA?NSA stick their noses, you can bet human rights in general are being compromised/violated in a number of ways.

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arborman
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posted 27 February 2006 06:57 PM

I have never said the CIA is not involved in plenty of nefarious deeds around the world. It's just not my starting assumption that they were involved with every nefarious deed around the world. A key difference.

I saw the thread title, and thought 'Fidel will say it was the CIA'. Then you did. It may be true, but you say everything bad was done by the CIA, and that blanket blame reduces the credibility of such attribution for individual events. They were no doubt responsible for many things (Allende, for example), but also not responsible for many others. The CIA, nefarious as they are, are also notoriously incompetent at much of what they do. It is impossible to be diabolically nefarious, the root of all evil and embarrassingly incompetent for decades at a time.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 07:04 PM

The CIA/NSA are rarely incompetent when it comes to opposing communism and socialism in general. They have official budgets made public every year, and then there were covert budgets throughout the cold war. They've never spent so much money while pretending not to be concerned about communism.

The CIA warned the State Dept about terrorists plotting to use passenger planes as missiles. And they were spot on.

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'lance
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posted 27 February 2006 08:22 PM

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The CIA/NSA are rarely incompetent when it comes to opposing communism and socialism in general.

How many times did they try to assassinate Castro?

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VanLuke
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posted 27 February 2006 08:26 PM

Rarely and never are not the same

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'lance
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posted 27 February 2006 08:35 PM

In the summer of 1989, the CIA reported to President Bush the First that the Soviet Union and other Communist governments in eastern Europe were strong and would likely last for years.

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obscurantist
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posted 27 February 2006 08:44 PM

Agreed with arborman -- it's a bit over the top to say that the CIA is the root of ALL evil in the world.

I used to see a conspiracy behind every major world event. Then I became a big fan of the view that it's not necessary to attribute to malevolence that which can be adequately explained by incompetence. Now I realize that malevolence and incompetence can frequently go hand in hand.

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Fidel
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posted 27 February 2006 09:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by 'lance:
How many times did they try to assassinate Castro?

That job was contracted out to expatriot Cuban's and probably only trained by the SOA/CIA. They weren't career jobbers on payroll w pension plans. Lumumba was a bit more important a hit than Palme. QJWin was a professional killer who had worked for them in the past.

Of course, they never had anyone as dedicated or as smooth as the jackal. He's a legend among Caracas' working class.

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