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rasmus
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posted 10 June 2006 06:07 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Three Guantanamo inmates kill themselves and the US describes it as an "act of warfare against the United States":

Three die in Guantanamo suicides


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ceti
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posted 10 June 2006 09:13 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
WTF? Basically, death was preferable than living in Bush's gulag.
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posted 10 June 2006 09:42 PM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by rasmus raven:
Three Guantanamo inmates kill themselves and the US describes it as an "act of warfare against the United States":

Three die in Guantanamo suicides


There is something positively Stalinesque about the official reponse to this. I think there was actually a famous case of a so-called "counter-revolutionary" (formerly a trusted Party member, of course) who contemplated suicide rather than face the verdict of a show trial. The response by the hardliners was very much the same. I'm gonna look it up, I think Slavoj Zizek used it as an example in one of his books, too...


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posted 10 June 2006 09:55 PM      Profile for siren     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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"They are smart. They are creative, they are committed," Rear Admiral Harry Harris, commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, told Reuters. "They have no regard for life, either ours or their own."

Harris added that the suicides were "clearly a planned event, not a spontaneous event ... I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of ... warfare waged against us."


What can one say? We live next to a nation, some of whose nationals, are utterly demented, deluded and villainous.

I wonder if our own little ray of god's own sunshine will join the world (including the UK)and condemn the Americans for Guantanamo. (Rhetorical question.)


edited to censor American bashing. I wouldn't like to be judged as a nation, based on some of the pronouncements issuing forth from CDS Hillier.

[ 10 June 2006: Message edited by: siren ]


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ceti
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posted 10 June 2006 10:13 PM      Profile for ceti     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Were they charged with anything? Anyways, I shouldn't even ask that question. as the response is gruesome enough and very telling of the mentality of these psychopath jailers.

[ 10 June 2006: Message edited by: ceti ]


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posted 11 June 2006 08:24 AM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yep, those pesky terrorists sure are cunning. Imagine how vile and treacherous a person has to be to slowly strangle themselves with they own clothes while their bodies thrash and convulse in its pathetic attempt to catch a breath before unconscousness overcomes them. All just to try and embarass the generousity of Georgie bushwhacker's providing them with free room and board all these years.

Surely these ungrateful men where related to all those women and children who were selfish enough to die before the stupid media hacks when the u.s. was carpet cleaning/bombing their homes and when troops were forced to waste expensive radioactive bullets on the ones the bombs missed.


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posted 11 June 2006 04:47 PM      Profile for B.L. Zeebub LLD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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...from the Stalinist point of view, suicide was deprived of any subjective authenticity, it was simply instrumentalized, reduced to one of the "most cunning" forms of the counterrevolutionary plot - Molotov put it clearly on 4 December 1936: "Tomsky's suicide was a plot, a premeditated act. Tomsky had arranged, not with one person but with several people, to commit suicide and therefore to strike a blow once again at the Central Committee."7 And Stalin repeated it later at the same Central Committee plenum: "Here you see one of the ultimate and most cunning and easiest means by which one can spit at and deceive the party one last time before dying, before leaving the world. That, Comrade Bukharin, is the underlying reason for these last suicides."8

--- In Slavoj Zizek, When The Party Commits Suicide.

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posted 11 June 2006 04:59 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's a chilling echo.
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posted 11 June 2006 05:05 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not the first one, either. It may be apocryphal, but either Stalin or Saddam Hussein is supposed to have said "when there's a man, there's a potential problem. No man, no problem" or something like that.

However accurate or not that quote may be, in a SOU address a couple of years back, (2003? definitely before the invasion of Iraq), Bush said of some supposed terrorists who'd been killed by a US missile attack, "Let me put it this way. They are no longer a problem to the United States."


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posted 11 June 2006 05:19 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I remember the list of dead black people at the end of the film about Steven Biko and South African apartheid called, Cry Freedom. Typical causes of death given for black people in South African prisons were:

  • resisting arrest
  • fell out of a window
  • committed suicide
  • shot to death during escape attempt
  • fell in prison shower
  • unknown

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posted 11 June 2006 07:20 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
"They are smart. They are creative, they are committed," Rear Admiral Harry Harris, commander of the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, told Reuters. "They have no regard for life, either ours or their own."

and compare with,

quote:
Your commie has no regard for human life, not even his own. And for this reason, men, I want to impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness. The enemy may come individually, or he may come in strength. He may even come in the uniform of our own troops. But however he comes, we must stop him. We must not allow him to gain entrance to this base.... General Jack D. Ripper calling red alert over the P.A. system at Burpelson Air Force Base, comedy movie "Dr. Strangelove"


I say, does anyone think it possible that the three were beaten or tortured to death at Camp X-Ray or the other Gitmo gulag with no name, it's that secret?. No lawyers, no basic human rights, no problem.

[ 11 June 2006: Message edited by: Fidel ]


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posted 11 June 2006 08:07 PM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
However, the fingers are pointing and the Bush admin has been leaving a blood trail in the water for a long time. It is probably time the real power brokers cut him lose anwyays.

Chaney and his cronies are probably perfectly happy with the hundreds of billions they each have made [is that what the bilderbergs were up to this week?}.

Run a general to two up the flagpole, sink an an ally or two that was too stupid or just too brutal to cover up the secret torturing in distant nations to muddy the water and BINGO.

The ripples of all this will resonate for decades given the propensity for certain human beings to engage in unending resentments, hostilities and outright conflicts.

GITMO could even join the ranks of notorious tourist destinations. Does this mean osama gets to keep the movie rights?


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posted 11 June 2006 08:24 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sounds like the makings of a blockbuster in the Islamic world, Otter. How bout, "Escape from Gitmo", starring Muhammed Intifada, or "Birdman of Gitmo", with Burt Allah Intifada, Muhammed's cousin?.
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posted 12 June 2006 09:34 AM      Profile for otter        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Help! i was laughing so hard i fell down and can't get up

How about 'From Here to the Next Oilfield' or 'Psycho - come stay at the Bush motel' or 'the Gitmoshank Redemption'.


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posted 12 June 2006 05:01 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, that was way funnier than mine.
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posted 15 June 2006 01:34 PM      Profile for Naci_Sey   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Published on Thursday, June 15, 2006 by CommonDreams.org
Ambassadorial Suicide Initiative
by John Brown

STATE DEPARTMENT TELEGRAM - SECRET

TO: All Ambassadors

FROM: Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs -- Karen Hughes

THROUGH: The White House -- Mr. Karl Rove

SUBJECT: Ambassadorial Suicide Initiative: Follow-up to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs Colleen Graffy’s New Initiative on Suicide as a Good PR Move

REFERENCE: DAS Graffy interview with BBC, June, 2006 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5069230.stm

SUMMARY: You are instructed to commit suicide soonest. End Summary.

BACKGROUND

Because of relentless jihadist propaganda, the respect of the world toward the United States -- that is, the number of Americans that will vote Republican in the November Congressional elections -- has diminished immensely in recent months. Al Qaeda operatives, using venues ranging from Mosques to the internet, have damaged the honor of our country throughout the world -- that is, Republicans’ electability among American voters. The terrorists’ latest tactic has been for their infiltrators to commit suicide in the U.S. government facility in Guantanamo, Cuba, where they are housed, fed, and protected, in the best Christian/American traditions, from the Geneva Conventions. So, in order to win the struggle against violent extremism, we have no choice but to use Bin Laden’s own methods, just as we did against the Soviets’ propaganda during the Cold War.

SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS

Your suicide must be carefully planned. We strongly recommend the following steps, reluctantly recognizing that local conditions may require minor variations in these instructions. If you feel you must introduce changes to these orders, please obtain the appropriate authorization from the Department’s Special Task Force for Ambassadorial Suicide (STFAS). Do not call (even through a secure line) or e-mail; send a cable through official channels, as you survivors’ benefits may depend on the extent to which you have followed the Department’s obligatory recommendations. Do not, repeat do not, expect to outlive your suicide. NOTE: Your funeral expenses will not be covered by the Department at this time of budgetary constraints...


Source


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posted 17 June 2006 02:26 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ha! That's a good one, Naci Sey.

Personal And Political, Winterbottom's "Guantanamo" Jolts Berlinale February 2006

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A timely new British film about the horrors of the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba is poised to be the buzz film of the Berlinale this year. "The Road to Guantanamo" screened for press this afternoon at the Berlin International Film Festival and will have its official world premiere tonight at the Berlinale Palast in Potsdamer Platz. The provocative new film is debuting at the festival on the same day that a draft report from the United Nations made news around the world, accusing the U.S. of torture at the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba and calling for either trials or the release of detainees there

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