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N.Beltov
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posted 02 December 2007 01:24 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Before, during and after the referendum ... the CIA is carrying out subversive operations against both Venezuela AND Bolivia. Uncle Sam will stop at virtually nothing to prevent change.

Here, Fidel Castro writes about A People Under Fire and notes his cautions to Hugo Chavez to beware of assassination attempts. Fidel should know. The Yanquis have tried to kill him around 650 times.

quote:
The most sophisticated media developed by technology, employed to kill human beings and to subjugate or exterminate the peoples; the mass implantation of conditioned reflexes of the mind; consumerism; and all available resources are being used today against the Venezuelan people in an attempt to shred apart the ideas of Bolivar and Martí.

The empire has created conditions conducive to violence and internal conflicts. I spoke with Chávez very seriously during his most recent visit on November 21 about the risk of assassination for anyone who is constantly exposed in open vehicles.


Castro: A people under fire

In Bolivia, the Bush administration ...

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is also jumping into the fray. Earlier this year Morales denounced that US backed agencies and non-governmental organizations that are providing direct support to right-wing political parties and allied institutions, ordering that all such funding would now be channeled directly through the government. Then at the recent Ibero-American Summit in Santiago Chile, Morales declared that “while we are trying to change Bolivia…small groups of the oligarchy are conspiring in alliance with the representative of the government of the United States,” referring to the US ambassador to Bolivia, Philip Goldberg. To support his claims a photo was shown of Goldberg in Santa Cruz with a leading right wing business magnet and a well known Colombian narco-trafficker, who had been detained by the local police.

On November 15, the US State Department spokesperson, Sean McCormick, responded by demanding that Morales stop launching “false” and “unfounded” allegations of conspiracy by the ambassador. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called the Bolivian ambassador in Washington to deliver the same tough message.


Final Battle in Bolivia

2004: CIA and Venezuela

.... shows White House knowledge of, not to say participation in, the planned coup d'etat of 2002.

CIA's attempts to destabilize Venezuela

La Prensa: a model for RCTV. Yup. That La Prensa. In Nicaragua. This last article has EXTENSIVE footnotes.

CIA Operation "Pliers" uncovered in Venezuela


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jeff house
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posted 02 December 2007 01:34 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh gee! And just when Chavez is trying to scare everyone into supporting dictatorial powers for himself!

Why that silly CIA! Playing right into his hands like that!

I am SURE that The Great Leader will be able to prevent this nefarious CIA plot.


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N.Beltov
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posted 02 December 2007 01:38 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not the least surprised that you'd trivialize such well documented activities, Jeff. And I'm almost as sure that you will be providing zero contrary evidence.

Why not try writing about the KGB? Stasi? Anything but the CIA in a thread about the CIA? Ha ha. ETA: What a dead give-away.

[ 02 December 2007: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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N.Beltov
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posted 02 December 2007 01:57 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually, this is a great subject for a thread and I can't imagine why it doesn't exist already. So, here are some more general links outside of the recent operations against Venezuela and Boliva...

Democracy Now: Prof McCoy on the history of CIA interrogation

Timeline of CIA atrocities

There really is a GLUT of information here. Where to begin?

The CIA: a brief history

Who am I kidding? I could devote the rest of my life to exposing the CIA and its nefarious activities and barely scratch the surface. But maybe this thread could be a modest start.

After all, given the obsequious relationship between the current regime in Ottawa and its American masters, who knows what aspects of Canadian policy are merely rubber stamp versions of policy made elsewhere?


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BetterRed
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posted 02 December 2007 02:01 PM      Profile for BetterRed     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
BTW, the school of the Americas which raised generations of fascist torturers is still open???

You dont normally mention that school, do ya Jeff?


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jeff house
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posted 02 December 2007 02:25 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Again, ha ha.

Obviously, there are lots of terrible things done by the CIA. As a matter of fact, I've been denouncing them since before you fellows were born. I have many times denounced the School of the Americas as a school for teaching torture.

And for sure there is a possibility of CIA interference in any country.

There is also the possibility of crying wolf in order to disarm criticism.

Just as Al Quaeda really did attack the US, the American really did quietly support a coup against Chavez. But in neither case does the reality justify a dictatorship in Venezuela.

The Chavez group in Venezuela, as the Bush bunch did in the US, are TODAY trying to stampede voters to hand out dictatorial power to Chavez.

His little helpers in Canada just pass down the propaganda crap, and they hope someone will actually believe it.

There is no CIA coup in Venezuela today; there IS an attempt to grab greater power, dishonestly.


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posted 02 December 2007 02:30 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by jeff house:
As a matter of fact, I've been denouncing them since before you fellows were born.

You've been denouncing the CIA since you were 5 years old? My, you were precocious.


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posted 02 December 2007 02:37 PM      Profile for Free_Radical     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
CIA Operation "Pliers" uncovered in Venezuela

quote:
The original document in English will be available in the public sphere soon for viewing and authenticating purposes. And it also contains more information than has been revealed here.

For the full text in Spanish, see: Operación Tenaza: Informe confidencial de la CIA devela plan de saboteo al referéndum del 2 de diciembre



Rather counterintuitive that an English document would be intercepted and translated into Spanish, but that that translation would be available to the public before the alleged English original - which still has yet to surface, by the way.

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M. Spector
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posted 02 December 2007 02:40 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Former US defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld warned Sunday that a constitutional referendum in Venezuela threatened to completely destroy the country's democracy and called President Hugo Chavez an "aspiring despot." - news report
Rummy'd feel right at home here on babble!

quote:
Venezuelans were woken before dawn [Sunday] by fake cannon fire, sirens and bugles as the Government tried to get them out of bed and to the polls so that they could give President Chávez sweeping new powers.
Thus the Times of London criticizes the Chávez government for encouraging a big turnout in the referendum! What a sneaky bastard he is!

[ 02 December 2007: Message edited by: M. Spector ]


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Stargazer
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posted 02 December 2007 04:25 PM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes that "get out and vote" stuff is truly the vilest thing.

After all, Diebold is our friend. And if Diebold can be counted on in a democracy, then who needs to worry?

Rummy talking about democracy is akin to Howard Stern talking about feminism.


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N.Beltov
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posted 02 December 2007 07:02 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
CIA operation "Pincer" specifically involve the creation of food shortages:

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The ultimate objective of 'Operation Pincer' is to seize a territorial or institutional base with the 'massive support' of the defeated electoral minority within three or four days (presumably after the elections though
this is not clear. JP) backed by an uprising by oppositionist military officers principally in the National Guard. .... Apart from the deep involvement of the US, the primary organization of the Venezuelan business elite (FEDECAMARAS), as well as all the major private television, radio and newspaper outlets have been engaged in a campaign of fear and intimidation campaign. Food producers, wholesale and retail distributors have created artificial shortages of basic food items and have provoked large scale capital flight to sow chaos in the hopes of reaping a 'no' vote.

The CIA Memo

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posted 03 December 2007 12:44 AM      Profile for Peppered Pothead        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So we have at least 2 posters who blindly tolerate the Trillion dollar self-appointed international exterminator of 'undesirable' ideologies and their subsequent movements. Oh well, that's better than 200.

Will the rampaging imperialism ever stop ? Will leftist movements ever be given the right to be free from the initiation of foreign policy force ?

Probably not, since the leftists want to open the floodgates of elitist channels of wealth, and let the poor share in the wealth which has been horded for centuries. The brutal impoverishment can instead be addressed by private charities, foodbanks, and trickle down theories of economics.


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josh
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posted 03 December 2007 05:03 AM      Profile for josh     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No question there was a concerted effort by the U.S. media, at the behest of Washington, to portray Chavez in as negative a light as possible. Some of his rhetoric played into their hands. Nonetheless, it is encouraging to see Chavez express his clear respect for democracy after this results came in. I guess Jeff House will have to keep looking under his bed for another Stalinist strawman.

Meanwhile, the media is treating Putin with kid gloves regarding the Russian election results, and even Musharraf has a better press in the U.S. than Chavez. In the U.S., the "free press" follows the Washington party line.


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Michelle
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posted 03 December 2007 05:18 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do you think so, re: Putin? CNN has been playing "Czar Putin" non-stop all weekend long, and it's about how he's having dissidents killed and shutting down any press that disagrees with him. Doesn't sound like a "free ride" to me. In fact, I was quite surprised, considering that they're usually thrilled to back guys like him.
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Fidel
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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
In fact, I was quite surprised, considering that they're usually thrilled to back guys like him.

Not in the least. I think Putin is of a calibre on par with the international corporate cabal which has tried to put grabs on Russian energy and mineral resources since the U.S. propped up Yeltsin during perestroika. The empire is angry with Putin since 2003 when he put a stop to Khodorkovsky's and oligarchs attempts to buy votes in Russian parliament(aka bribes) The oligarchs were trying to slide out of paying taxes on oil and other wealth, which Putin and company say are perfectly in-line with free market mechanisms for their new tax regime on natural resource exports. They are trying to copy Norway's model for Petroleum Fund, which is a pretty fair example if you ask me. Compare that with the decade of corruption to the extreme that was perestroika, and Canada's situation with Kyoto and massive energy exports of greenhouse gas-producing fossil fuels to the largest economy and sovereign source of pollution in the world, the U.S.

By next month, Russia's oil stabilization fund will be worth more than Canada's privatized CPP investment fund and Alberta's Heritage(slush) Fund combined. If anyone's noticed, municipalities across this Northern Puerto Rico are having a difficult time funding new hospitals and other infrastructure, while at the same time, millions of barrels of oil and cubic metres of natural gas flow south every day. Add to that the millions of watts of hydro-electric generating power that Canada sends to the U.S. 24-7, and Canada looks a lot like a weak northern colony taking it on the chin for the sake of U.S. economic interests.

Our stoogeocrats are in a sort of a bind. They don't really want to tax oil and gas or raise per barrel oil royalties to anything close to socialist Norway's level, or even what the state of Alaska reaps from big energy companies. Because then a democratically elected government in Canada would be awash in oil money. What would they do with it? And never mind that raising taxes to prevent scarcity (or heaven forbid, to reduce overall CO2 emissions in the spirit of Kyoto and in interests of global environment), it all goes against the grain of our political and economic ideology.

I'll be blunt. I think it's possible, and even highly probable, that the hits put on news journalists in Russia could have been ordered by both the Russian FSB as well as the American CIA. You can ask why, and then I couldn't explain it for the life of me. Observe the Canadian and Italian and other international news journalists murdered in Iraq since U.S. military operation shock and appall over Baghdad. Extreme ways are back again.


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Fidel
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posted 03 December 2007 06:14 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So Chavez is not the dictator which our corporate-sponsored news media have totally ignored is the case with Mubarak in Egypt. That country's citizens are under the boot of martial law since Anwar Sadat's assassination over twenty five years ago.

And out collective attention is rarely as focussed on Saudi Arabia as it was for this referendum in Venezuela. Our MSN media are often reluctant to point out that Saudi Arabia doesn't allow democratic elections and is said to be a large source of the foreign fighters in Iraq in opposition to the U.S. military occupation.


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posted 03 December 2007 06:35 AM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Watching the US networks yesterday was quite annoying. CNN, acting as if Venezuela is a totalitarian police state, asked its Venezuela correspondent (who I think is a Globovision reporter) whether Venezuelans are "afraid" to vote no. I don't think the reporter understood the question (either that or she thought it was too absurd) because she talked about something completely different.

And of course there was more "president for life" nonsense, as if not having term limits in Canada means Stephen Harper is PM for life.

[ 03 December 2007: Message edited by: aka Mycroft ]


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Fidel
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Ya, they don't care that Canada's Liberal Party was considered autocratic in the 1940's, or that a conservative party has ruled Ontario for about as long as Fidel ruled Cuba. They trot out noble words like democracy when cranking up the propaganda machine for whistle stops in "the backyard."
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N.Beltov
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posted 03 December 2007 11:47 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Blogger Chris Carlson, author of Gringo in Venezuela, has a number of articles about Venezuela and the U.S. role there over time. We have:

Is the CIA trying to kill Hugo Chávez?

quote:
"I want to kill that son of a bitch," said the Capitan of the Venezuelan National Guard, Thomas Guillen in a recorded telephone call with his wife.

This was in March of this year. General Guillén graduated from The School of the Americas, renamed the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation in 2001, the infamous U.S. combat training school, in 1967.

Wait, there's much more.

School of the Americas WATCH: bio of General Guillen

Database of graduates of the school of death, Yanqui-style.

School of the Americas Watch: add this link to your HATE WATCH sites.

The History of democracy prevention in Venezuela, Part 2

RCTV and the CIA

Setting the Stage for Turmoil in Caracas

The well-footnoted articles by Carlson includes all sorts of substantiation and further links.

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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 03 December 2007 01:26 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In light of the referendum results and Chavez's concession speech I'd just like to take this moment to point out the egg on the face of all the anti-democracy, Chavez-hating, US-lie-parroting loud mouths. Nice job guys.
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posted 03 December 2007 01:31 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Chavez is going to step down?

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N.Beltov
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posted 03 December 2007 01:43 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
CMOT Dibbler: Chavez is going to step down?

Nah. He's just stepping out of the way of yet another CIA sniper bullet. Reports have it that Chavez saw the telltale red laser circle on his clothing in the last year at least once. Good thing he's got a soldier's background.

There's nothing the servants of the lidless eye of imperialism won't do. And they never sleep.


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Lord Palmerston
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posted 03 December 2007 01:50 PM      Profile for Lord Palmerston     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by aka Mycroft:
Watching the US networks yesterday was quite annoying. CNN, acting as if Venezuela is a totalitarian police state

And the Canadian media wasn't much better.


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posted 03 December 2007 01:58 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:

He's just stepping out of the way of yet another CIA sniper bullet. Reports have it that Chavez saw the telltale red laser circle on his clothing in the last year at least once. Good thing he's got a soldier's background.

LMAO, sorry but this is statement is silly for so many reasons.


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Free_Radical
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posted 03 December 2007 03:30 PM      Profile for Free_Radical     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has the original English copy of the CIA memo been made available anywhere yet?
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Fidel
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posted 03 December 2007 03:55 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
There's nothing the servants of the lidless eye of imperialism won't do. And they never sleep.

Their hack jobbers and mercenary types would JFK him in a moment's notice. I think the CIA would attempt to kill him as a last resort. Murdering Chavez would likely martyr him in the minds of the people for generations. Murdering Che in Bolivia has come back to haunt them. The hawks dislike having to make martyrs of revolutionary socialists but are not above plan b mentality either.


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posted 03 December 2007 08:02 PM      Profile for ChicagoLoopDweller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So Guillen graduated from the SOA while Chavez was President of Venezuela?

Do you guys really believe that if the SOA shuts down that other countries won't fill that void?


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N.Beltov
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posted 03 December 2007 08:29 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
ChicagoLD:So Guillen graduated from the SOA while Chavez was President of Venezuela?

Um, no. Guillen graduated in 1967, 40 years ago.

quote:
Do you guys really believe that if the SOA shuts down that other countries won't fill that void?

I'm not sure what argument you're making here. If the US didn't terrorize Latin America then someone else would? Isn't this sort of conduct and training worth exposing no matter WHO does it?

A-Ten-hut!What happened anyway? Did you drop your moral compass on the way to boot camp?


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