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Trespasser
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Babbler # 1204
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posted 22 August 2002 07:50 PM
So I decide today to go to the Wal-Mart for the first time in my life and buy an electronic gadget. (Did you know that they had tiny shop carts for children with a flag that says "Future Wal-Mart customer in training?" I swear!) After I paid I picked my two bags and headed towards the doors. I expected them to open automatically, but they didn't. When I tried to push, the beep of the alarm system for detecting shoplifted items went off. What the...? A sales-associate-slash-security guy materialized beside me in a flash, and in a low, 'professional' voice started the spiel that I assume they start with anybody suspected of shoplifting: "Ma'm, may I see your bags..." He took away the big bag and I was left hanging out by the door pretending to read one of their brochures. Here he comes three minutes later carrying the same bag, and asks me to show him my receipt. I remember I almost tossed the receipt away, but I eventually found it. He studied the wrinkled receipt for what looked like minutes. He finally let go off me, with a smile and "Have a good day" of course.OK, so this wasn't a story about *real* shoplifting, but it did remind me of some earlier shop mischiefs that involved first person singular. When I was an undergrad student, I once actually managed to shoplift a book from a bookstore (it was a polisci journal, nothing canonical), and the second time I tried (it was a textbook on rhetorics that I needed for an exam) I didn't bother taking all the precautions and the alarm by the door went off. But get this: after I returned the book to the front desk, I stayed on and rummaged through some other books on display that interested me. No idea how I managed to do that. Actually, this may be part of the explanation: in my first country, somebody caught shoplifting food or a book is never prosecuted. If caught, the good is returned to the owner and that's that. Stealing food is a desperate act and if somebody really needed some food so much and could not afford it through any other way but shoplifting, that's almost OK. As far as stealing a book goes, there's a tacit agreement that 'students will be students'. Now I have a question. Why the supermarkets prosecute minor shoplifters? I know that some friends of friends here in Canada have gone to court for putting a can of tuna in the pocket, and I still have difficulty believing that the supermarkets bothered to do it - or were nasty enough to do it.
From: maritimes | Registered: Aug 2001
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lagatta
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Babbler # 2534
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posted 22 August 2002 09:11 PM
Hmm, many years ago I was dragged through the courts about such an absent-minded "theft". I was writing my thesis at the time. At a pharmacy, they were giving out samples of toothpaste or something, so of course I took one and stuck it in my pocket, with a tiny "ampoule" of stuff for split ends (I have thick, very curly hair so I consume a fair bit of hair gunk). - I was lucky to get a first-rate lawyer who accepted to take my case legal aid through a refugee-case lawyer I've worked with. Eventually I got off, (I refused to plead "guilty" and ask for a discharge as it was an honest mistake. Moreover, I had been arrested for political and trade-union stuff - of which I am not in the least ashamed, so an unconditional discharge would have been tough). But the whole thing was a comedy of absurdity for a $2 product. - Turns out the pharmacy chain (Jean Coutu) had recently prosecuted a poor bugger who had stolen La Presse... - Going through Municipal Court, you see a lot of sad stories. Mentally ill people arrested for peeing in the street, desperately poor people who had stolen the proverbial tin of tuna, people smoking everywhere despite the no smoking signs. The court officials thought I was a lawyer as I looked "respectable" and was carrying a briefcase. - My lawyer said that in some other countries, pilferage was a "summary offence" and those caught had to pay a fine, without a record. This precludes endless court battles to prevent getting a criminal record, while reassuring shopkeepers who had a legitimate fear about the damage shoplifters could do to their business (I'm not concerned about big firms, but I know people who owned a bookshop that went under in part due to such "shrinkage")... Deliberately shoplifting is NOT cool. - My thesis adivser later had a laugh about the whole thing, realising how absent-minded I was, as my brain was somewhere in the great Italian strike wave of "il biennio rosso"... And a very respectable old friend of mine showed me a hinge that he (he is over 80) had pocketed without payment purely by accident.
From: Se non ora, quando? | Registered: Apr 2002
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boadicea
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Babbler # 2987
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posted 23 August 2002 02:25 PM
I HATE electronic surveillance alarms. It was a real downer for me when even progressive bookstores stated to use these presumptions of guilt, until proven innocent.An anecdote. I had bought a book, at Lichtman's (Remember them, before Chapters and Indigo - I guess it's just Indigo, now - deep-sixed them). I went to Towers (not sorry they restructured themselves, out of the Canadian market, but HMV does need some serious local competition. Have you seen their prices? They make the banks look like charities.) for my music fix. Sure enough, off goes the alarm! A hulkish manager descended upon me like a ringwraith on a mission. I was asked to empty my backpack of books and papers. The damn aluminum strip, was hidden inside the book, from Lichtman's, mummified within plastic shrinkwrap. Now when I enter a store, and trip the surveillance system, I shout, loudly, "Incoming!" and assume the position, arms spread upwards, and legs apart. Store personnel usually approach me, in whispered tones, asking if they can demag my merchandise from another store. They know I have the attention of their other customers. b. [ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: boadicea ]
From: Maple, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2002
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boadicea
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Babbler # 2987
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posted 25 August 2002 11:50 AM
The aluminum bar locks, at my public library, when the security alarm goes off. It's like getting whacked in your privates by a two-by-four, if you don't hear the alarm.The systems engineer who designed that surveillance device must have had links to a police riot squad. "Whack 'em, and stack'em." b.
From: Maple, Ontario | Registered: Aug 2002
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Tommy_Paine
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posted 25 August 2002 12:07 PM
Our local hardware store has a zero tollerance policy on shoplifting.I've "shoplifted" twice there. Once my ex bought something that didn't get rung through. I attempted to get that rectified during my next purchase there, but the cashier laughed and said it was too much hassel, forget it. The second time was when I bought some dryer vent. It's accordian in nature, and sold by the foot. I got about ten feet of it, and scrunched it up to carry it easier. At the checkout, I joked that I had "one foot of dryer vent." The cashier didn't pick up on it, and in spite of two confessions, rung it up as one foot. Who am I to argue? I don't shoplift not because I am above theft, but because the take isn't large enough. Now, if some $50,000 dollar item was able to fit into my pocket, who knows? The part that bothers me about it, is that if we are going to have a zero tollerance policy on shoplifting, then the very same penalties should be assessed to the retailer when there is a discrepancy between the price marked on the good, and the price entered in the cash register computer. It's the same offence. Theft is theft. Walmart's anti theft electronics are infamously faulty. I bought a radio/cd player stereo for one of my girls there and the thing went off. I never like shopping at Walmart in the first place and rarely did. I certainly have not been back since, nor will I again. There is a scam going on in London where a Walmart and other stores have hired a lawyer to contact parents of children who have shoplifted. They try to guilt the parents into paying for the good stolen, and for "court costs."
From: The Alley, Behind Montgomery's Tavern | Registered: Apr 2001
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jeff house
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Babbler # 518
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posted 26 August 2002 02:14 PM
I see Zellers letters from time to time, as clients come in with them. They have no more legal basis than if I write all "true" Babblers, asking each to send me $75.00. Then, like Zellers, I write off the postage as a business expence. Incidentally, bob Kellermann, a lawyer who works with me has just won a case in which the court held that any store security guard must comply with the Charter of Rights before searching a bag, as happened to Trespasser. The point is not free from doubt, because a store employee is not a representative of the state, and the Charter protects only against the state, not private individuals.
From: toronto | Registered: May 2001
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Pogo
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Babbler # 2999
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posted 27 August 2002 03:01 AM
When my wife and I moved back to BC from Toronto we tried to find a job on Vancouver Island with little luck. On weekends I would make mirror pedestals and take them to the Fulford Harbour on Saltspring for the flea market. Made enough money for the ferry ride home and fish chips.The fellow next to me was selling wooden shelves and boxes made from an Ikea manufacturer's scraps. He told great stories of how he had tried working in mill for a year, but didn't like it. This was followed by a year as a postal carrier. Then he decided that he just didn't like work. He then spent 20 years on Valdez Island watching the seals play. Anywise, I showed him a lid knob that I was using and bemoaned the fact that they cost so much --$7/each. He asked me how many I could use. The next week he showed up with a paper bag full. I asked how much and he said $.25/each. I asked where did you get these for 25 cents? "Oh, I steal them" was the matter of fact reply. Seeing that he had caughten me off guard he said, "Don't worry, I don't steal locally, I go up Island". A couple of weeks later we received a response to one of our resume's in Vancouver and as the potter on the other side noted, "we went to over to the other side (paid employment)". Still do miss what we left behind.
From: Richmond BC | Registered: Aug 2002
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