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Merryblue
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posted 03 November 2007 06:36 PM      Profile for Merryblue     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wayne wrote, "It is important to watch technology shifts, social media trends and communication politics for non-profit and activist opportunities."

I agree...especially in the urbs. For those of us in the Sticks, Internet connection is a little touchy at best. Heck, phone connections are not even a sure thing! Blackberries won't work and Ipods won't, either. Even Satellite phones don't work in most of Canada -- not unless you are willing to spend about $5000 for gear that still won't work on some days. How in hell people still believe those 9/11 cellphones worked 30,000 feet up in the sky is beyond me! I can't get a cellphone to work one step beyond the town's welcome sign--and that's on a good day! Most of the time, cellphones only work if you stand by the post near the 2nd window of the local steakhouse. High tech is fine if you're in the urbs.


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posted 03 November 2007 07:31 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's Wayne
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posted 04 November 2007 02:59 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is no doubt that activists need to keep an eye on technology trends--in fact, they do it quite organically, and it's often the mainstream that needs to catch up.

But I find it rather bizarre that the central content of this article, published on a progressive website, reads like an advertisement for Apple computers. I'm not sure how much there is to be earned by tailoring activism to a device that retails for $450. Technology is certainly a powerful tool, and there's no reason why activists shouldn't take advantage of it, but if this was supposed to form the basis of the writer's article, perhaps a panegyric to Apple, facebook and microsoft wasn't the best approach.


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Michelle
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posted 04 November 2007 03:20 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh. Well, I think Wayne has joined what I like to call The Apple Cult. It's kind of like The Linux Cult (except, I realize, one is commercial and the other is open source). I'm just drawing the similarity between them because Apple seems to inspire a fierce loyalty in its users, as does Linux - the difference between them, of course, being the aforementioned commercial aspect, and also that Apple products are (supposedly) easy to use, whereas with Linux you have to have a degree in rocket science in order to figure out how to put the damn thing on your computer and then run it.

Anyhow - it's a tech column, and as all of us who work with him know, Wayne is always on top of whatever new doo-dads and gadgets and web 2.0 tools are coming out that people can use to do podcasts, web sites or other online interactive things. So, obviously if he's writing a tech column where he's telling us all about this new stuff, it's going to be made by some company or other, and if he likes whatever new gadget he finds (which would be the point of writing about it) then it might sound like an ad for the company that makes it. But really, it's just a review.

I was asked a couple of years ago to write a book review for rabble, recommending good children's books for parents to give as gifts over the holidays, with progressive themes. So I found five books I enjoyed for different age groups and wrote about them. I didn't consider myself writing an advertisement for the publishers, although I suppose some people could have leveled the same criticism at me: "This reads like an ad for Annick Press!"


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posted 04 November 2007 03:10 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is annick press part of a large multinational corporation?
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posted 04 November 2007 04:35 PM      Profile for HUAC   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Merryblue appears to be holding what appears to be an elephants tail in his hand, lending weight to the rumour that, yes, there is an elephant here in the room with us. Whatever should be our response to this, if other than simply fleeing the building, screaming like banshees in total panic?
The poster was apparently not informed that hundreds of physical laws were suspended on 9/11, impossible cell phone calls included. Not permanently, of course, but only long enough for the media to shove the biggest fairy tale in recorded history down the throats of a populace who were and are, for that matter ready, willing and aye willy, aye, able to "truly believe" damned near anything that they "saw" on TV.
There is no shortage of dupes of like ilk on this board, I'm afraid. People who are quite willing to believe that "crashes" of large airliners no longer have to leave discernible debris behind when they impact the ground four times on one day. None. Zip. Nada.
450 tons of aircraft are, are, well, "gone". Amazingly stupid, far beyond all current definitions of the word.

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posted 05 November 2007 01:22 AM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think screaming like banshees would be an appropriate response to that last post.

Anyway, as Michelle mentioned, there is a difference between promoting the fashionable product of a large corporation and say, the Linux distro I just installed last month (it's so easy to use! Where I used to wait hours for Windows to load up all the crap during startup before I could use it, now I just hurl my laptop across the room in frustration and write letters. Progress!). I think the journalist intended to demonstrate the massive impact technology has on culture, and was perhaps blinded by his own Apple bias. I guess I just thought that if I wanted to hear how great Apple was, or how imminent the death of desktop software was, I'd read Wired.

What I expect on a site like babble, however, is perhaps something along the lines of Merryblue's critique: that universality of technology is imaginary. According to this site, less than more than 30% of Canadians don't use the internet. Statscan reported that only 66% of Canadians use a cell phone, and it's safe to assume that PDA usage is significantly lower. Who are most likely to be on the wrong side of the technology gap and who are progressives trying to reach again?

I might also examine the contradiction underlying progressive aims promoted through dominant corporate infrastructure. It's not like activists should not be expected to make use of technology--of course they should--but often the promotion of consumer culture through hot items like the iPod Touch affirms the very values leftists should try to undermine. Perhaps a look at the disposable technology the iPod has traditionally enacted (we don't replace the battery, but we'll give you a discount on the next gen model), the "locking" of the iPhone so that you can only use a specific carrier, or the numerous open source jacks that have been developed to counter Apple's hegemony. To me, this seems more useful to the activist than casually mentioning RSS feeds.

This is way more criticism than I usually give rabble columns, but I guess I've been waiting for a tech column for a while, so these are somewhat canned ideas that have been set loose.

[ 05 November 2007: Message edited by: Catchfire ]


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posted 08 November 2007 01:10 PM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I plan on writing about the OLPC laptop and, perhaps, the Asus eee PC (both Linux-based) in the near future. I'm also a fan of the Nokia N800. I will also write about Apple, IBM, Nintendo, Bell-Sympatico etc., critically when they do interesting things. Brand names will be mentioned. Large corporations will be praised when they do good things and slammed when they don't. But, they will not be ignored, nor will smaller shops and underdog undertakings.

I'll also be writing about stuff with no brand names attached and about tech issues that I think matter to the left and the general public. Bell-Sympatico throttling bandwidth comes to mind.

I'm a fan of great industrial design, no matter who does it, and I'm very keen on user-centric online experiences - no matter who offers them. Not so keen on cornea gumbo and clunky menu junk (GIMP, I'm talking to you).

I like Apple products, but am less thrilled with their AT&T spawned crappy consumer behaviour regarding the iPhone (paid ringtones, late-to-the-party SDK, locked phone).

Hope you enjoy the column, thanks for reading so far.

[ 08 November 2007: Message edited by: Wayne MacPhail ]


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Sharon
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posted 08 November 2007 01:17 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wayne's latest
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posted 09 November 2007 03:43 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I welcome Wayne's latest article on DRM, and rather enjoyed it. (This article that I read yesterday was popping to mind as I was reading.)

But I'm not looking forward to yet more reviews of hardware and software in this venue. There are lots of outlets for such opinions, and there's nothing particularly politically progressive about technology. I'd be afraid that such reviews would displace more pertinent content here.


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Wayne MacPhail
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posted 10 November 2007 07:48 AM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the feedback Lard Tunderin' Jeezus. I have to disagree that "there's nothing particularly politically progressive about technology". There are lots of technology developments the progressive left needs to be aware of in order 1) to take advantage of them, as I pointed out in the iPod Touch column and 2) to be prepared to go to bat over privacy, social justice or environmental issues that the technologies raise.

Plus, I don't hold to the opinion that everything on rabble has to be political. I certainly am looking at technologies from a left point of view but that shouldn't stop me from bringing interest tech or gadgets to light if I think they have interesting potential or are just plain interesting in their own right.


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posted 10 November 2007 10:21 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You guys are missing one important aspect of technology for the left. The classical Marxist view, that societies change when the contradiction between the productive forces (this includes technology) and the social relations of production becomes "intolerable", that underlines the importance of technology makes this subject of interest, at least, to those who don't automatically reject such views. Marx and his buddy Fred Engels had a huge interest in tech changes and new developments in science, not only to substantiate their own views but also, for the important social change that it might foreshadow.
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posted 10 November 2007 11:54 AM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Plus, I don't hold to the opinion that everything on rabble has to be political.

But Wayne, Rabble was founded in the wake of the quebec city anti globilization protests as a condit for proggressive voices. There's a lot of political analysis that goes on at Rabble, many politicians read Babble, and left wing activists use the What's Up section of this site to inform people about protests and causes which other leftes might be interested in.
This place was founded by and for left wing partisans. 99.9 percent of the content here needs to be political, otherwise, what's the point?


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posted 10 November 2007 12:34 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lots of things aren't directly political, but are indirectly. A lot of progressives use tech gadgets, particularly online technology, as a way of reaching the masses without having to go through the mainstream mass media.

And I disagree that rabble content has always been 99.9% political. The RPN, for instance, has all sorts of progressive, but not necessarily political, podcasts. auntie.com isn't all political. And certainly babble has never been all political.

My vision of rabble is as an online meeting space for progressives. I personally have always thought we could use MORE content that is progressive but not necessarily completely political, especially judging from how many non-political babble threads generate so much interest. Furthermore, I think everything CAN be seen as political, in a way. The way we live our lives is profoundly political, from the food we cook and eat, to the stuff we consume (or don't consume), to the popular culture that interests us, etc.

Why do you think babble has been such a popular part of the site for so long? It's because we can talk about anything here, not just specifically politics, as long as we do it within progressive parameters.

I think there is a discussion to be had among progressives about new tech products out there that facilitate communications, especially ones that are accessible to individuals or small organizations who might want to do some DIY broadcasting or consciousness-raising. And lo and behold, we're having this discussion because Wayne wrote the column about the tools he uses and we're talking about what the politics is behind the decision to use or not use certain technologies or buy from certain companies.

How is does this NOT fit into the mandate of this site?


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Wayne MacPhail
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posted 10 November 2007 01:11 PM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Plus, a lot of folks on the left are gearheads, nerdpeople and Linux hippies. All good people.
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posted 10 November 2007 01:51 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, now that I have actually...ahem...READ Wayne's column I must say that the topic of his peace was relivant. I just don't want his column to bcome more about technology(Oh gosh! This ipod's screen is so bright!) then it is about changing the world(this is how ipods can be used to oppose tyranical dictatorships!)
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Wayne MacPhail
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posted 10 November 2007 02:04 PM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Don't worry, I'm not THAT much of a gadget freak, though my wife would beg to differ. I mean, I am coveting an Canon G9 now, I must admit :-)
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posted 10 November 2007 02:05 PM      Profile for CMOT Dibbler     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it's also worth noting that while computers are cool(without computers we wouldn't have Babble!) the future of the planet rests to a fairly large extent on people who are to poor to afford hightechnology and have never heard of Bill Gates.
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posted 11 November 2007 02:17 PM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wish I'd never heard of Bill Gates. Seriously, though, it's also important that we think of technology beyond desktop computers. A lot of good work is being done in Africa by doing news coverage via cellphone. And, initiatives like the OLPC One Laptop Per Child project, promises to bring technology to children who would otherwise never be able to connect to the web or share their stories online. That's the stuff that really excites me.
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posted 22 November 2007 12:28 AM      Profile for triciamarie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All I'm saying -- I read the iTouch piece and immediately spent a half hour researching prices, then gave my head a shake. (The only news it gets is CTV.)

I hadn't expected to be subject to those influences here.

Now I keep half-expecting tech banner ads, or contextual product placement in the other columns.

Seems to me redflagdeals already has it covered on gadget envy / self as consumer?


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Wayne MacPhail
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posted 22 November 2007 05:12 AM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just don't tell me my column about net neutrality made you sign up for cable.

[ 22 November 2007: Message edited by: Wayne MacPhail ]


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posted 22 November 2007 06:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

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posted 24 November 2007 02:56 AM      Profile for triciamarie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Wayne MacPhail:
Just don't tell me my column about net neutrality made you sign up for cable.

Didn't read it.

Why, were you enthusiastically boosting Rogers products as a means for readers to engage in political action?

[ 24 November 2007: Message edited by: triciamarie ]


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posted 24 November 2007 12:28 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Maybe you should read it and then you'll know what he was talking about.

It's kind of rude to attack someone's column if you're not going to bother reading it first, don't you think?


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posted 24 November 2007 01:18 PM      Profile for triciamarie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Maybe you should read it and then you'll know what he was talking about.

It's kind of rude to attack someone's column if you're not going to bother reading it first, don't you think?


Correction: Wayne MacPhail attacked ME in reference to that column.

My earlier comments to Wayne were in regard to the iTouch article. Based on his response to the concerns that have been raised, I see no reason to believe that readers will not be subject to the same openly pro-consumption message in future. I have explained my personal difficulty with this particularly when it is couched in terms of political activism.

So why would I continue to read this?

[ 24 November 2007: Message edited by: triciamarie ]


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posted 24 November 2007 02:11 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't really think he attacked you. It seemed like more of a joking tone to me. But I guess I can see where you could have read a bit of snark into it. To be fair, though, implying that a columnist would put paid product placement in his column as you did is also a pretty huge insult.

I think it's kind of unfair to judge someone who has written three columns on only one of them. Most columnists have written at least one column I've disagreed with. Why write someone off after just one column?

I think your questions (and others who have raised them) are good for discussion. That is, the question of how much to "buy in" to certain products in order to use them for activist purposes.

At what point do new gadgets go from being tools for change and become toys for overconsumption? Or are they both on some level?

I don't think that is a resolved debate on the left, and certainly there's no agreed-upon line.

I do apologize for the "rude" comment. I guess I just really liked his last two comments and was feeling protective as a result.

[ 24 November 2007: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Thanks Michelle.

quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
[QB]...implying that a columnist would put paid product placement in his column as you did is also a pretty huge insult.

Actually, I didn't intend to imply that Wayne is bought. The joke was that the other Rabble columnists will start finding sneaky ways to introduce product placement in their columns, ie to support ad revenues from internet traffic -- not, obviously, a likely outcome for that bunch -- thus the (attempted) humour.

quote:

Why write someone off after just one column?


I'll probably get over it and go back to reading him in a while.

Some of my best friends are techies so it will actually be very helpful to be able to communicate about political issues with them in terms of their own area of interest.

And certainly Wayne will have my undying loyalty if there is ever a column on the features and capabilities of the federal Conservative party's CIMS constituent and supporter tracking system (aka CPC scary database, per a previous thread).


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posted 27 November 2007 03:53 AM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hope you enjoy the column.
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posted 27 November 2007 03:58 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Heh, good idea, triciamarie. So Wayne, think you can get into the CPC database? An investigative report?
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quote:
Originally posted by Wayne MacPhail:
Hope you enjoy the column.

Your column is a nice addition to rabble, Wayne. Thanks


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posted 02 December 2007 06:22 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I finally got the chance to read this one. Until I read this part:

quote:
You can't argue, however, that a nation of knowledge workers with access to a high-speed wirelessly networked uber-smartphones isn't a bit of a global leg up.

...

So, it's important, when we see things like a lack of a Canadian iPhone or an e-book that doesn't work cross-border, to pay attention. They signal an important technological shift, disguised as something you might think only nerds with disposable income should care about. For now, it’s just a couple of expensive tech-baubles that are tantalizingly out of reach. In five years, a lot more may exceed our grasp.


I really didn't think it mattered too much whether we get the same tech toys as the US. But I can see how it DOES matter whether we are able to participate in the new communications systems being developed, especially for people who work in the field.

I'm not sure that the US is going to be able to be so isolationist when it comes to such technology, however. First of all, if they try to keep it too much to themselves, then they won't be able to reach their markets around the world, and that would affect their bottom line. Secondly, countries like Canada have a ton of knowledge workers of our own who can also invent or copy technology. If google doesn't want Canada's UHF market, I'm sure that some other Canadian company will!


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quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
First of all, if they try to keep it too much to themselves, then they won't be able to reach their markets around the world, and that would affect their bottom line. Secondly, countries like Canada have a ton of knowledge workers of our own who can also invent or copy technology. If google doesn't want Canada's UHF market, I'm sure that some other Canadian company will!

You're absolutely right. Canada has loads of under-utilized talent. Jim Stanford said in 2005 that that was the year Canada's exports shifted back to non value added raw materials and energy and mainly to the U.S.

I think one of the signs North American telecommunications companies were losing it was at the end of the 1990's. Young people in Scandinavia were actually allowed to be a factor in the cellular free market when they started demanding a most simple feature of cellular phones then, which was text messaging. TM is less expensive than what is referred to as a "nailed up" end to end voice connection. North American telco reps said at the time TM protocols are too simple, and that they could offer better and more high tech features than plain Jane text messaging. The problem, they realized, was sitting down with large carriers and hammering out what protocols would be offered to customers. NA Telcos found it difficult to avoid squabbling over something as easy as text messaging and range of service issues. It seems we can't access new services before a major bloodbath is played out in courts and dragged on for several years at time. It's all about cable companies and service providers wanting to shakedown customers at every turn. Something about "net neutrality" is lost somewhere inbetween, and we are left to figure it out for ourselves no thanks to mainstream new media.


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posted 03 December 2007 05:50 AM      Profile for Wayne MacPhail   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the kind words, Fidel. I'm hopeful that the upcoming spectrum auction in Canada will bring some much needed competition to the Canadian wireless industry. It will probably be the case that any new players will offer Android-based phones, which is very promising. I think most consumers don't realize how broken the phones we now have often are.

[ 04 December 2007: Message edited by: Wayne MacPhail ]


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Tell me about it. I'm still trying to locate the security alarm in this stupid used car I bought. It goes off at all the wrong times, and it's making me a nervous wreck. I don't appear to be very tech savvy at this time.
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posted 24 July 2008 01:06 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The last couple of iPhone fanboy columns reminded me of my original thoughts on technology reviews appearing at rabble.ca:
quote:
Originally posted by Lard Tunderin' Jeezus:
I welcome Wayne's latest article on DRM, and rather enjoyed it. (This article that I read yesterday was popping to mind as I was reading.)

But I'm not looking forward to yet more reviews of hardware and software in this venue. There are lots of outlets for such opinions, and there's nothing particularly politically progressive about technology. I'd be afraid that such reviews would displace more pertinent content here.


[ 24 July 2008: Message edited by: Lard Tunderin' Jeezus ]


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posted 25 July 2008 10:13 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not sure we read the same column. You saw a "fanboy" iPhone review in this column?

What I read was a column where he said he wants the open-source movement to succeed, compared the useability of an iPhone to the open-source NEO, found the NEO desperately lacking (poor design, not user-friendly), and analyzed why the corporations have been making better products than the open-source movement (because they're focused on excellent design and useability rather than geek-chic, ugly fixer-uppers that only a techie could figure out).

It's critical of the open-source movement, to be sure. But it's not critical from a pro-corporate point of view. It's critical from the perspective of wanting to see improvement.

This column is far from being a mere "technology review". Or, actually, it's a tech review that discusses what the open source movement needs to improve upon with their projects if they want to be relevant to the vast majority of people out there who don't have degrees in computer science or electrical engineering.


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posted 25 July 2008 10:22 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In response to Brian White's comment about the iPhone here - yeah. I wouldn't buy one of those things either. Money pit is exactly right. I can't imagine why anyone would waste so much money on a legit contract for iPhone.

Now, I can see going stateside and buying an iPhone and then bringing it here and unlocking it. (Yes, I know it's illegal, but I have no moral issue with people doing that.)

Personally, I can't see myself getting a cell phone at all, at least not for the foreseeable future. First of all, because of the cost. But secondly, and more importantly, I'd rather not end up with a brain tumour, thanks.


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posted 25 July 2008 08:51 PM      Profile for Brian White   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think computers are overrated. One pencil and wad of paper per child might be a more worthy goal. What might the price differential be?
And remember that pen and paper is everything. With the computer, you need a solar charger or mains electricity and you will need a printer (and paper). Olpc will just be like the ciggys of yesterday. Get the child addicted so that they will want nintendo!
Once upon a time technology meant something different. And really and truely, any cellphone has enough computing power to do everything advanced that is needed.
Sorry, I do not think I am being negative.

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Originally posted by Wayne MacPhail:
I wish I'd never heard of Bill Gates. Seriously, though, it's also important that we think of technology beyond desktop computers. A lot of good work is being done in Africa by doing news coverage via cellphone. And, initiatives like the OLPC One Laptop Per Child project, promises to bring technology to children who would otherwise never be able to connect to the web or share their stories online. That's the stuff that really excites me.

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posted 25 July 2008 10:05 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Brian. I think that in only a few years' time, and with near-infinite network bandwidth, low orbit satellites, and low power silicon chips having more computing power than ever before and crammed into ever smaller hand-held devices, "teleputers" will make today's desktop size PC's obsolete. "Skynet" is coming!

20 Laws of the Telecosm George Gilder

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posted 26 July 2008 06:25 AM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dislike this column. It overlooks the Luddite segment of this board. Even now, I'm typing this up on a typewriter and sending it by post to the nearest computron. Consarnit.
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posted 27 July 2008 07:32 AM      Profile for retiredguy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Heh. Well, I think Wayne has joined what I like to call The Apple Cult.

What I want to know is, did the anti-Apple cult start before Apple did, or did it anticipate Apple's birth? There seems to be a segment of the population that barfs and spews invective every time Apple is mentioned. FOr the most part they are those who picture themselves as corporate right wingers. It's no accident that free thinkers prefer Apples. They just make your life easier.

But, on to organizing. WIthin the context of our campaign to save the Ogoki forest, the internet and message boards like this have made it possible for individuals like myself to make submissions to the MNR and others, that previously would have been possible for ENGO's with paid research staff. Not that I have had even one response from any of the politicians I've contacted.

As for the iPhone, I'm a huge Apple fan, but $65 a month for a phone is just too much. Especially when you consider roaming fees, and all the other bogus charges you can get hit with. I stopped using my regular cell phone after analyzing my cost per call. Using a pay phone saves me a couple hundred dollars a year. Not having an iPhone will save me $600 a year. The whole concept of a plan is just so totally bogus I can't believe the CRTC even allows it. Charge me what the service actually costs me and don't force me to pay for minutes I don't use. The whole cell phone industry is just another example of how the "free market" doesn't create choice, it creates price fixing, gouging, lack of service options and huge profits for service providers. Otherwise there would be someone offering me cell phone service for 6 dollars a month (the cost of registering the phone) and whatever it costs a minute for to make a call. To claim that there is a "free market" and then have to have Rogers and Apple in a public feud to get the service contract for an iPhone "down" to $65 a month is insanity. Personally, I'm boycotting all cell phones. I have friends who won't use computers. I guess everyone has to draw the line somewhere.


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posted 27 July 2008 10:31 AM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What we don't have in Canada is the degree of deregulation in telecom that exists in the U.S. since 1996. Canada is a leader in broadband penetration in a comparison of G7 countries[/url] (2006-07), and it's likely a result of strong telecom regulations here not market ideology. As is the case in countries like Japan, Korea, and Nordic countries where broadband penetration as well as access speeds are very good to excellent by comparison. 25 high capacity fiber optic undersea trunklines to be laid in the next few years in building out international communications capacity. This will be good for all kinds of internet data and voice comunications. Cellular networks are pretty much piggy-backed onto public switched phone networks internationally, so this area of comms will benefit as well.
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